Yes she is technically correct, I agree. It's more the specific situational aspects (being condescending mainly) that are the problem.

OP, you may have one of those people. When you have one of those people, there is nothing you can do.
NOTHING

Ok, I think either Sue is better at climbing than you, right ????

or has rejected you in some personal way,

or the owners like her better than you.

After all you are just volunteers, so leave and go to another gym, or go help an outdoor crag with clean up and routes, or bolts . Are you getting some school credit for this? Are you doing this to be able to climb for free?

Its impossible to work in an environment where everyone is going to get along and be friends. Especially in a climbing gym.

How old are you? How old is Sue?

Negative. Sue: 5.7-8 climber, and never climbed outside as far as I can tell. She's never joined anyone for a weekend trip that I know of (or anyone else can think of). Maybe she sneaks off by herself to solo some stuff?

Me: 5.11 climber (outside/inside). 5.12 on a really good day or with lots of rehearsal. Climbed all over the country... short stuff, hard stuff, long stuff (~1000 feet). Been training for some bigwall off and on. Main routesetter at the gym as well.

Obviously there's nothing wrong with maxing out at 5.8. And, I never base climbing experience on how hard one climbs though. One of my best climbing partners, and basically my mentor through my initial trad learning years, maxes out at 5.8 in the gym, climbs 5.8 on gear in the Gunks, has been climbing for 20+ years, and can outrig and outleadhead me any day.


I think that's the one. See below for more.


Not sure about that one. I was made a sort of unofficial purchasing manager and was responsible for equipment and hold ordering for our new piece of climbing wall we added last year. This sort of thing is probably one aspect of many as to the personal rejection. I've been around for a much shorter time than her and have 'climbed the ranks' (pun intended), to top tiers of the facility. Sue on the other hand has no official (or unofficial) position other than belay slave. None of us have any documented positions though.


Another gym... *cry*. This is the closest one and it's ~40 minutes away. The next one is almost two hours. I shouldn't complain really, it's a really nice facility with lots of great people, and I get to climb, work out and swim for free.


Yeap.... I know how it goes. I've had enough jobs that I always run into that one person that I don't mesh well with.

The weird thing is she has little gettogethers outside of the gym to host dinner, hang out, play games, etc. I've been to several. She is totally normal, friendly, and without an ego outside of the gym.


28. I think Sue is something like 25.

Ridiculous right? I'm almost 30 and I'm posting to a board, ranting about personality squabbles like it's elementary school.

P.S.
Just the other day Sue was scolding this 5 year old about 'not holding onto the rope if no one is there to belay'. Which is fine and dandy on principal... you don't want the little ones to get caught up in a rope and get hurt. But Sue has this tendency to have this 'strict parenting' style of instruction to the patrons. The kid had this poor 'oh crap, what did I do' expression. As if she was about to be grounded. (To give you an idea of the scolding style).

Take that same style and apply it to a ~20 year old patron. "Hey you! No hands above the first panel for bouldering!" (which isn't a gym rule.. the gym rules actually allow for higher bouldering). People get pissed... quickly... with that type of behavior.

Ok, After careful through analysis, yes Sue is probably somewhat jealous of your better climbing ability and rank in the company.

However, you are getting free climbing and swimming. Which would be fantastic for both of you if you were teenagers.

Not wanting to max out my questions,

I think you should be working towards a career or better working and getting paid somewhere. If you are in college or grad school that might explain why you are volunteering in a gym . Or perhaps you are a lucky trust fund baby and will never have to work.

Unless you were hoping to become a pro-climber or a full-time dirt bag climber , the first well you know 5.14, the second is still the last option. Which is fine, especially if you have financial support from family for this type of endeavor.

Maybe something on the side will take your mind off these little nuances, like a thesis, or a career, a mortgage,bills, car payment, insurance bills etc. etc. HAVE FUN , easy on Sue

I'm curious who this is now.

It's someone that posts here normally, climbs trad, sport, and boulders. Has been a member since around 2003-2004. More revealingly, he/she puts effort into his/her typing and the appearance/readability of the post.

We've got full line breaks, and background information. Moreover, the ellipses all have just three periods (except for one, perhaps a typo). It's possible they've been slightly overused, but not as heavily overused as we have seen from some rc kn0b'ers.

We have a mix of both centimeters and inches, which doesn't help too much, but does perhaps suggest that this person has a job or studies a science related topic. In fact, the only people in the world that really mix centimeters and inches in their words are American scientists.

The heat is on.

There is only one reason thefoobar would dedicate this much time ranting about this woman: HE'S IN LOVE WITH HER

Hah... I wish... well... no, probably not.

Another incident happened yesterday. The last straw so to say. Management has been informed. I have a response and a scheduled meeting.

Very true

at this point, the appropriate thing to do is keep everything that is said between you and management to yourself.

Hah... I wish... well... no, probably not.

Another incident happened yesterday. The last straw so to say. Management has been informed. I have a response and a scheduled meeting.

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I do recognize the problem and have been thinking about how to deal with the situation.

I believe Sue has had similar problems in her work and school life that have not ended in her favor.

-Management

If I werethe manager or owner of the gym you're referring too, I would fire you for sharing this email.

You have something against her and you're out to get her anyway you can.

Your behavior by posting the email reply is extremely unprofessional.

Assume every email, im, photo, or video will end up on the interweb. If you are in a public space, assume you are being filmed, because you probably are being filmed.

I am not that paranoid, but I also expect a certain amount of professionalism from my staff and employees.

It isn't a question of being paranoid or not, it is more a statement about the times we live in.

As for this example, you get what you pay for.

Also I find it interesting that "professionalism" contains a bit of "keep you mouth shut about other peoples bad behavior". Isn't exposing bad behavior more professionall not less?

If I werethe manager or owner of the gym you're referring too, I would fire you for sharing this email.

You have something against her and you're out to get her anyway you can.

Your behavior by posting the email reply is extremely unprofessional.

I don't think the complaint as originally posted was seen as unprofessional. It was the posting of his boss's e-mail that was viewed as unprofessional. The boss's e-mail was not bad behavior, therefore it has nothing to do with the point.

@toast-

either way, professional courtesy makes this an in-house issue, not an internet one. he aired his grievances publicly (in-house would have been better), then in-house, and now the employer should have an opportunity to deal with it in-house rather than have it aired across the internet live as it happens.

Part of the joy of the internet age its the blur between public and private. If our longtime poster had buried this in the scummunity would out make it private? Would a private facebook group make it private? An annonymouse post on a non climbing board? Given that no one has gone thru the trouble to guess who the poster is, it is still a private matter.

We have no dates, time, location, or real names. I don't see how this is a public matter.

Part of the joy of the internet age its the blur between public and private. If our longtime poster had buried this in the scummunity would out make it private? Would a private facebook group make it private? An annonymouse post on a non climbing board? Given that no one has gone thru the trouble to guess who the poster is, it is still a private matter.

We have no dates, time, location, or real names. I don't see how this is a public matter.

I have to agree with the above, I don't see anything about the original post, what I found unprofessional was posting the internal email of this gym's operation.

Personally, I think the OP is the only who is truly bother by this individual, everyone else just seems to except her. I get the feeling this is more of a personal grudge.


Back on on the email posting, if I had sent that to one of my employees and he posted it online, I would lose trust in that person. If I can't trust your confidentiality, then I wouldn't want you working for me.

It's not your gym, you're not the manager, so if the manager and the owners are fine with the way things are going, and you have spoken, emailed , or communicated with them you grievances about the situation and they don't think they need to take any action, you have couple of choice.

QUIT

Continue to work there and put up with it.

Either way, the choice to be there or not is yours.