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majid_sabet
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What do you think
two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother
Good idea
Bad Idea
YGD
Crazy wabitt
actually, even better, one piece flexible plastic flat with velcro when open but then when closed, it would be two cones back to back with proper diameter to hold the knot and tail. ( MS patent pending)
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chadnsc
Feb 25, 2011, 5:33 PM
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I assume that the 'cones' are covering the knot joining the two ropes togeather?
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scottek67
Feb 25, 2011, 5:44 PM
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Crazy wabitt
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sp115
Feb 25, 2011, 5:49 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: What do you think two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Good idea Bad Idea YGD Crazy wabitt
What do you do with the tails of the knot?
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potreroed
Feb 25, 2011, 5:59 PM
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Hey, great idea. I'm gonna run right out and cut up some plastic bottles to carry around with me whenever I go climbing.
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sbaclimber
Feb 25, 2011, 6:00 PM
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sp115 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: What do you think two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Good idea Bad Idea YGD Crazy wabitt What do you do with the tails of the knot?
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majid_sabet
Feb 25, 2011, 6:05 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: sp115 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: What do you think two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Good idea Bad Idea YGD Crazy wabitt What do you do with the tails of the knot? how much tail do you have!?
2-3 inches wrap around inside the cone
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jbro_135
Feb 25, 2011, 6:10 PM
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potreroed wrote: Hey, great idea. I'm gonna run right out and cut up some plastic bottles to carry around with me whenever I go climbing.
hahaha
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majid_sabet
Feb 25, 2011, 6:11 PM
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chadnsc wrote: I assume that the 'cones' are covering the knot joining the two ropes togeather?
very similar to big wall haul line over the haul bag
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sbaclimber
Feb 25, 2011, 6:43 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: sbaclimber wrote: sp115 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: What do you think two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Good idea Bad Idea YGD Crazy wabitt What do you do with the tails of the knot? how much tail do you have!? 2-3 inches wrap around inside the cone 
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kachoong
Feb 25, 2011, 7:07 PM
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You might as well just wrap duct tape around the whole knot and tails.
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happiegrrrl
Feb 25, 2011, 7:14 PM
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I think the plastic bottles would get beat to hell too quickly to make it worthwhile, plus dying of humiliation from being seen with them dangling from my harness is not the way I want to go...
That said - That it gave you the idea for the covering made of a simpler material is worth having the idea. I would never buy such a thing, but....there are plenty who would, no doubt.
If you could make such a thing that would actually work, and not end up being just as liable to get stuck as knots, then you would probably have a viable product and could make millionssss...well, maybe a couple bucks.
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wonderwoman
Feb 25, 2011, 7:25 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother
Unless the bulky cone gets caught up on a branch or other cliff-side protrusion that a simple knot might otherwise easily be pulled through.
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chadnsc
Feb 25, 2011, 7:27 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: majid_sabet wrote: you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Unless the bulky cone gets caught up on a branch or other cliff-side protrusion that a simple knot might otherwise easily be pulled through.
Shhhh. You'll hurt Majid's feelings. 
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sp115
Feb 25, 2011, 7:56 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: majid_sabet wrote: sbaclimber wrote: sp115 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: What do you think two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Good idea Bad Idea YGD Crazy wabitt What do you do with the tails of the knot? how much tail do you have!? 2-3 inches wrap around inside the cone I figured you would have a sensible amount, which is why I was asking sp115...
Ah, I see, I thought you might have been asking about a different amount of tail (please insert the smilely emoticon that I somehow can't bear to type).
As for rope tails, I prefer a bit more like 6-8 inches. No knot that I have ever tied has rolled, but for some reason 2-3 inches just doesn't allow me to feel safe.
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sbaclimber
Feb 25, 2011, 8:05 PM
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sp115 wrote: sbaclimber wrote: majid_sabet wrote: sbaclimber wrote: sp115 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: What do you think two small plastic bottle cut in half , velcro inside one another. the first half bottle goes over the top rope and the second half goes under the second rope both cones facing out. you pull the rope and the cone allows ropes to fall smoother Good idea Bad Idea YGD Crazy wabitt What do you do with the tails of the knot? how much tail do you have!? 2-3 inches wrap around inside the cone I figured you would have a sensible amount, which is why I was asking sp115... Ah, I see, I thought you might have been asking about a different amount of tail (please insert the smilely emoticon that I somehow can't bear to type). As for rope tails, I prefer a bit more like 6-8 inches. No knot that I have ever tied has rolled, but for some reason 2-3 inches just doesn't allow me to feel safe. 
Even 6-8" should still fit in the bottles though, wouldn't it...?
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kachoong
Feb 25, 2011, 8:10 PM
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Edit the thread title... it doesn't make any sense. No more what?
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majid_sabet
Feb 25, 2011, 8:16 PM
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kachoong wrote: Edit the thread title... it doesn't make any sense. No more what?
jugging, no more having your rope stuck 40 m up on some stupid crack
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kachoong
Feb 25, 2011, 8:19 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: kachoong wrote: Edit the thread title... it doesn't make any sense. No more what? jugging, no more having your rope stuck 40 m up on some stupid crack
I realize this, but it doesn't help the title much.
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sp115
Feb 25, 2011, 8:32 PM
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sbaclimber wrote: "Even 6-8" should still fit in the bottles though, wouldn't it...?
Depending on the bottle size, I suppose that would be true enough.
But at the risk of jinxing a perfect record of never having a rope stuck when being pulled, and with the double-risk of sounding stupid...is the knot the primary culprit of stuck ropes?
If my admittedly weak memory serves me, it seems the only time I've had a rope get tangled was dropping the ropes while rapping. In those cases it stuck because it simply wrapped around something and wasn't going anywhere, knot of no knot.
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billl7
Feb 26, 2011, 12:49 AM
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sp115 wrote: But at the risk of jinxing a perfect record of never having a rope stuck when being pulled, and with the double-risk of sounding stupid...is the knot the primary culprit of stuck ropes?
Good question. Of the six times that come to mind, five were not because of the knot. One probably was but could not see the stickage point.
I use the EDK. May have saved some grief over the years. Perhaps Majid prefers the double fishermans?
Bill L
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climbingtrash
Feb 26, 2011, 4:00 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: kachoong wrote: Edit the thread title... it doesn't make any sense. No more what? jugging, no more having your rope stuck 40 m up on some stupid crack
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sp115
Feb 26, 2011, 4:26 AM
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billl7 wrote: ...I use the EDK. May have saved some grief over the years. Bill L
Sort of what I was thinking.
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marc801
Feb 26, 2011, 7:12 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: kachoong wrote: Edit the thread title... it doesn't make any sense. No more what? jugging, no more having your rope stuck 40 m up on some stupid crack
It's not the huge problem you think it is, and certainly not enough to make me want to carry more garbage on a climb.
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