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jam3s_

Jan 9, 2012, 7:42 PM
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Hello All

May sound like a stupid question however is it best to thread downwards or upwards through the harness when tieying in with the double figure 8? Ive noticed most people and my previous instructor seem to thread the rope upwards however my latest instructor said this was wrong and should always thread the rope from top down ( top loop first),

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James

TarHeelEMT

Jan 9, 2012, 7:58 PM
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For all practical purposes, it doesn't matter.

Greggle

Jan 9, 2012, 8:08 PM
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jam3s_ wrote:

Enjoy...

dagibbs

Jan 9, 2012, 8:41 PM
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As the previous responder said, mostly it doesn't matter.

One can argue that if, while threading, you only catch one of the two loops you need to thread, you're most likely to catch the first one, and if you're going to fall with only one loop threaded, you're better it be the top one, since it will keep you upright, while if it is the bottom, you are more likely to invert, making the fall riskier.

bearbreeder

Jan 9, 2012, 8:43 PM
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either way will hold

HOWEVER .. should you miss one loop ... and yr partner miss it on the check .. youd much rather have it threaded through the top loop first

if you had threaded through only the bottom loop only ... theres a very good chance youll invert with a fall

ive actually caught this several times with people this last season ...

so now i always tie in top loop down and teach beginners the same way ...

in short it doesnt matter unless you miss a loop Wink

jeepnphreak

Jan 9, 2012, 8:52 PM
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It a loop, it does not matter. Just be sure to get BOTH upper and lower tie in points.

meanandugly

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It really doesn't matter, but as was stated before 'down thru' and if you only catch the top one then inversion is unlikely. But when you tie down thru and you untie and go to pull the rope out of your harness the potential is there for the end of the rope to whip you in the genitals on the way by....think about it. ;)

jam3s_

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Thank you all for you help,

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j_ung

Jan 16, 2012, 6:15 PM
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jam3s_ wrote:

Your instructor sounds like a moron.

cclarke

Jan 17, 2012, 2:50 AM
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Well, it obviously depends on the hemisphere in which you are climbing given the coriolis effect. Just remember to thread your rope toward the equator. So, in the US, it's down and, in South America, it's up.

j_ung

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You haven't factored in the temperature and humidity relative to the average temperature of the core of the rope measured at 1.6-meter intervals. Moron.

Laugh

crjanow

Jan 22, 2012, 10:00 PM
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wait you mean you dont run the rope around your waist through those loops on your harness?

sungam

Jan 23, 2012, 8:23 AM
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cclarke wrote:

Sorry, bro, but it's time for you to take a look back at dynamics and relativity.

You gotta check which hemisphere you are in AND what direction you are facing.

tH1e-swiN1e

Jan 23, 2012, 6:17 PM
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Who uses a rope?

GeckoBat

Jan 24, 2012, 12:48 AM
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jam3s_ wrote:

...my latest instructor said this was wrong and should always thread the rope from top down ( top loop first),

Thanks
James

Your latest instructor needs to clarify why it's "wrong". Several of my friends recently took a course and the same thing happened in their course. The instructor told them to always thread through the top but failed to explain why.

j_ung

Jan 24, 2012, 1:09 PM
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GeckoBat wrote:

jam3s_ wrote:

...my latest instructor said this was wrong and should always thread the rope from top down ( top loop first),

Thanks
James

I suspect its for the reason above, that threading from the top at least gets you the swami, which is probably better than getting just the crotch connector.

It's still worthless advice, though, since you can start from the top and still miss the swami just fine.

USnavy

Jan 24, 2012, 3:01 PM
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TarHeelEMT wrote:

For all practical purposes

I think you are the first person I have seen ever get this right. Even MIT alumni and MythBusters star Adam Savage gets this one wrong all the time.

"For all intensive purposes..."

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acorneau

Jan 24, 2012, 3:50 PM
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USnavy wrote:

TarHeelEMT wrote:

For all practical purposes

I think you are the first person I have seen ever get this right. Even MIT alumni and MythBusters star Adam Savage gets this one wrong all the time.

"For all intensive purposes..."

"For all intents and purposes..."

sp115

Jan 24, 2012, 4:25 PM
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acorneau wrote:

USnavy wrote:

TarHeelEMT wrote:

For all practical purposes

I think you are the first person I have seen ever get this right. Even MIT alumni and MythBusters star Adam Savage gets this one wrong all the time.

"For all intensive purposes..."

"For all intents and purposes..."

^^ Yup. Now let's move on to the phrase "begs the question". I'll probably have a stroke if I come across that used properly.

j_ung

Jan 24, 2012, 7:13 PM
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sp115 wrote:

acorneau wrote:

USnavy wrote:

TarHeelEMT wrote:

For all practical purposes

I think you are the first person I have seen ever get this right. Even MIT alumni and MythBusters star Adam Savage gets this one wrong all the time.

"For all intensive purposes..."

"For all intents and purposes..."

^^ Yup. Now let's move on to the phrase "begs the question". I'll probably have a stroke if I come across that used properly.

I would of liked to have seen that used correctly. Wink

sungam

Jan 24, 2012, 7:48 PM
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sp115 wrote:

acorneau wrote:

USnavy wrote:

TarHeelEMT wrote:

For all practical purposes

I think you are the first person I have seen ever get this right. Even MIT alumni and MythBusters star Adam Savage gets this one wrong all the time.

"For all intensive purposes..."

"For all intents and purposes..."

^^ Yup. Now let's move on to the phrase "begs the question". I'll probably have a stroke if I come across that used properly.

A whole nother thing? Dafaq is a "nother"?

cracklover

Jan 24, 2012, 8:04 PM
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sp115 wrote:

acorneau wrote:

USnavy wrote:

TarHeelEMT wrote:

For all practical purposes

I think you are the first person I have seen ever get this right. Even MIT alumni and MythBusters star Adam Savage gets this one wrong all the time.

"For all intensive purposes..."

"For all intents and purposes..."

^^ Yup. Now let's move on to the phrase "begs the question". I'll probably have a stroke if I come across that used properly.

So wait - when you argue that no-one uses "beggging the question" properly simply based on your own assumption that no-one uses it properly, you are...

in fact...

... begging the question!

Another explanation for why you don't see it used properly is because people like me, who know what it means, never use it. At least I would never use it on rc.com - because it's commonly misunderstood, and when used correctly sounds kind of pompous.

Don't have a stroke!

GO

sp115

Jan 24, 2012, 9:57 PM
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^^ A+*

* properly/correctly? I may have to turn in my grammar-Nazi card.

drector

Jan 24, 2012, 10:41 PM
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sp115 wrote:

^^ A+*

* properly/correctly? I may have to turn in my grammar-Nazi card.

And now Godwins's law comes into play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Dave

P.S. Thanks to an earlier post that caused me to look up "Beg's the question." I now know not to use that phrase ever.

cracklover

Jan 24, 2012, 11:40 PM
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drector wrote:

sp115 wrote:

^^ A+*

* properly/correctly? I may have to turn in my grammar-Nazi card.

Cool. But who's this guy "Beg"?

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