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painful_crash
May 25, 2003, 10:02 AM
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Can somebody explain how to toprope ? I just cant understand the concept.
when i toprope , i still need a belayer ?
pleeease ,
any help would help ..
-crash
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ajkclay
May 25, 2003, 1:45 PM
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Top roping is when the rope goes from a tie-in at your harness (as usual), but then goes from you up to the top of the route where an anchor has been set up from (hence top rope). The rope passes through a screwgate carabiner, (or two opposed) and goes back down to your belayer.
As you climb, your belayer takes rope in so that if you fall, you don't deck. It is not as risky as leading as you will rarely fall very far, (normally a foot or two max), and is used in a number of situations;
When there are insufficient placements for gear on a wall with no bolts.
On a route that has traditionally been top roped.
When the climbers do not have the gear required to lead.
As a means to allow lots of people to climb a route without lots of setting up by each climber. (you and your belayer just tie in, and you climb)
By beginners who do not have the experience or desire to take too much risk when they climb.
By climbers who want to practise a route at or above their limit so they can later red point it.
By groups being taken out by an instructor for a day of relatively safe climbing.
In the majority of gyms for ease of access to routes with a minimum of risk, and strain on the ol' public liability insurance, due to the inherent risks involved with lots of potentially new climbers all bealing each other up routes from which they would become seriously injured at best if an inattentive belayer stuffed up.
Top roping is a legitimate form of climbing, and (like bouldering) is an excellent way for climbers to train/climb on hard routes without running the same level of death/maiming/losing too much ground due to a fall.
(boulderers, don't get your panties in a twist, I'm not saying that it isn't dangerous, or a form in itself, just that it can be a great way to build strength etc :roll: )
:)
So, rope from climber to anchor at top, back down to belayer who takes in as you climb, then lowers you when you are at the top.
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ajkclay
May 25, 2003, 1:47 PM
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:) oh, and welcome to rc.com :)
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ptone
May 25, 2003, 3:19 PM
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ajkclay said it well.
My take:
Top rope is when the rope goes from you up thru an anchor, and down to your partner.
On one end is the climber, on the other the belayer.
The rope is always from above, so the climber can't fall far.
This is the safest, with only the strength of the anchor and experience of the belayer to worry about, and where most people begin when learning to climb.
Leading means the climber takes the rope with her/him (tied in of course).
Same set up, climber on one end belayer on the other.
But now, the lead climber has to protect her/himself on the way up, by clipping the rope into protection points, like intermediate anchors. These can be bolts or traditional removeable gear. The difference is that after clipping to each point, the climber then climbs higher, and could then fall back past that point, potentially falling a long way (you hear people talk about 20' or 40', there is even a current post about a 20 metre fall--call it a whipper, cause it whips yuh)
There is alot more to worry about here, including strength of each piece of pro and it's placement, fall direction, (ie over leges etc) belayer placement (with a long fall, the belayer gets jacked too!) and lots more.
Hope that helps
peace
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painful_crash
May 25, 2003, 7:12 PM
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thank you guys.
rc.com rocks ..
but you see what i do not understand is..
how do i toprope ? lets say we have a tree to toprope.
i'm guessing, i tie bunch of slings to a tree,(make a web)
and then put the locking carabinder ? or do i tie the rope
to the tree ? or .. i don't know how .. and my butt is itching to
toprope and climb some outdoor stuff.
(i just climb indoor at the moment, besides the bay area boulders)
thank you ,
-crash :(
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tenn_dawg
May 25, 2003, 7:32 PM
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Hey, I'd LOVE to give you step by step advice on how to set up a toprope, but you've got a much more efficient, and safe way at your disposal.
You live in SanFran Cali, there is a HUGE population of climbers there. Go to the Gym and introduce yourself to some experienced climbers (preferably older ones) and ask them to show you the ropes, so to speak.
Go out and buy a couple of rock climbing for beginners books (falcon publishes some excellent books) and read them cover to cover. If you've got a true interest in climbing, they should be fascinating reads.
The basic's should come to you pretty quickly, and going with someone experienced should help assure your safety. You can never get enough information, drink it up!
Good Luck,
Travis
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raingod
May 25, 2003, 8:26 PM
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Get someone you trust to show you, or take a course. The concepts are simple but you really need to get it right because if you don't you can do yourself some serious damage.
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painful_crash
May 25, 2003, 10:22 PM
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Thank you to everybody ..
I will be buying some books, and reading them like a maniac. :twisted:
climbing ... climbing ..
i love climbing ..
-crash
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taraus_de_bull
May 26, 2003, 1:31 AM
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i recommend the "How to Rock Climbing" by john long. its a falcon guide series book, very good beginner book. then get the "Anchors" book.
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extrememountaineer
May 26, 2003, 2:45 AM
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Hey guys, I know you are trying to be nice, and that is cool, but quit wasting your time with this troll, it isn't even a good attempt. He wants to go climbing outside? That implies that he has been climbing inside and therefore has done NOTHING BUT TOPROPE more than likely. "Climbing, climbing, I love climbing"? Troll, troll, I smell troll. Painful, take it from the expert, you need to pick more controversial subjects to troll about. :lol:
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tenn_dawg
May 26, 2003, 3:39 AM
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I don't know Jody. He may be legit.
His first post was looking for a partner and his second was asking about how to toprope.
He seems pretty innocent. I'll burn a few minutes punching in a response. It's not like I've got much better to do...
Travis
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extrememountaineer
May 26, 2003, 4:04 AM
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Disclaimer:
On the slim chance that the post may in fact be legit, please accept my apology. I in no way intend to poke fun at legitimate questions, of which, if they are legitimate, there are no dumb ones related to climbing.
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tenn_dawg
May 26, 2003, 4:21 AM
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:lol: hahahaha
Travis
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josephine
May 26, 2003, 7:02 AM
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In reply to: Hey guys, I know you are trying to be nice, and that is cool, but quit wasting your time with this troll, it isn't even a good attempt. He wants to go climbing outside? That implies that he has been climbing inside and therefore has done NOTHING BUT TOPROPE more than likely. "Climbing, climbing, I love climbing"? Troll, troll, I smell troll. Painful, take it from the expert, you need to pick more controversial subjects to troll about. :lol:
haha :lol:
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painful_crash
May 31, 2003, 5:44 AM
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hi Mr. extreme.
ow , you are so cool with that name. (troll master)
whaww .. you are so extreme dude (cal accent)
I do climb boulders outdoors and there is nothing wrong
with climbing indoor. its the feeling what is important not the
coolness.
go fckin surf or something.
-crash
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