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scottcody
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Choss...
re-read this thread for refrence
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jt512
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In reply to: The reason communication is possible between people is because we have an agreement on what certain terms and phrases mean. ... So, if someone disagrees on what "Dyno" means, then they're "outside the cool circle" and they don't "use" the word the same way. Words on their own have no intristic meaning. ...You know what a particular word means judging by the context in which it's used.
The problem is that you don't always know what a word means by its context, and so we have to agree on common meanings. This is especially true for technical jargon, including climbing jargon. "Dyno" is short for "dynamic move," which, in climbing, means a move that uses momentum to reach a hold. This can be anything from a deadpoint to an all-points dislocate dyno. If you think that you can always tell the differnce from context, then consider the following hypothetical conversation:
Climber A: Chossforfun is a great 5.11. You can't do the crux move statically, you need to dyno [meaning you have to deadpoint it].
Climber B: Yeah, it looks great, but I suck at dynos [thinking an all-out lunge]. I better find another route.
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taalon
Feb 19, 2004, 11:36 PM
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Well this is my last post on this site cause there are so many english majors here im tired of them tearing me and others down for our spelling. And tring to impress me and others with their blatant harasment of us that do not spell so well...
But out of all the posts on this thread and all the posted links there is one term that is missing.
A term that maybe the climbers as a whole can help to determine the meaning of so RC can add it to their dicitonary.
Static...... What is a Static move there is no defenition for it on any of the links posted that i could find. But i'm a subpar intelectual person and thus can not intelegently make a statement like that or add my bit of attempt at a definition for a intelegent discussion. Because if i try all i get is harased by greater intelectual people.
Personally all the most well known climbers in the world i have met have more tact and understanding to listen and not nit pick. But it seems that the climbing community has turned into the who is better then who. Rather then ok lets talk this out and make some meaningful comments rather then picking on others to make ourselfs look better.
Now i do not want to believe this so i will only assume it is a select few who do this for whatever reason. So this will be my last post on the boards as it is not worth my time to argue and have to restate everytime i post that i am not a good speller. And even when i say that someone still has to point it out.
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cryder
Feb 19, 2004, 11:44 PM
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RIP Taalon.
Was a good guy with good intentions who thought it a good idea to get up to date on climbing slang. Was sprayed with beta in a type-by-rc.comming for being honest about not knowing everything.... may he post freely at the pearly forum gates, because he wont be around here long enough to actually learn anything.
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jt512
Feb 20, 2004, 12:22 AM
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In reply to: Well this is my last post on this site cause there are so many english majors here im tired of them tearing me and others down for our spelling. And tring to impress me and others with their blatant harasment of us that do not spell so well...
harassment
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pipsqueekspire
Feb 20, 2004, 1:17 AM
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Whew... good thread gone lame...
But now that I'm here!!!??? It can be revived....
I have a totally new word for you all. I am proposing that we start using this word to define a dynamic move that requires both feet and both hands to lose contact with the rock. Its a DANO! Its a nice tribute to the man soloing The Line at Lovers Leap in under 5 minutes. He does a crazy full on (and unrequired) DANO on this classic line. (Its on video)
(My apologies if its not The Line but I know its on Lovers Leap in South Tahoe.)
Now we have two word to discribe a quick climbing movement
Dyno- The act of moving in a quick powerful stroke to obtain the next hold. (This includes dead points and roof type moves that cut ones feet loose.)
Dano- The act of moving in a quick powerful stroke to obtain the next hold where all contact with the rock is severed for an instant.
(All Danos are Dynos but not all Dynos are Danos!)
This is my humble suggestion... Dan Osmon had a powerful impact on the climbing world and why not give him a word??
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hosh
Feb 20, 2004, 7:30 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: The reason communication is possible between people is because we have an agreement on what certain terms and phrases mean. ... So, if someone disagrees on what "Dyno" means, then they're "outside the cool circle" and they don't "use" the word the same way. Words on their own have no intristic meaning. ...You know what a particular word means judging by the context in which it's used. The problem is that you don't always know what a word means by its context, and so we have to agree on common meanings. This is especially true for technical jargon, including climbing jargon. "Dyno" is short for "dynamic move," which, in climbing, means a move that uses momentum to reach a hold. This can be anything from a deadpoint to an all-points dislocate dyno. If you think that you can always tell the differnce from context, then consider the following hypothetical conversation: Climber A: Chossforfun is a great 5.11. You can't do the crux move statically, you need to dyno [meaning you have to deadpoint it]. Climber B: Yeah, it looks great, but I suck at dynos [thinking an all-out lunge]. I better find another route. -Jay
JT: point taken. But the point of my post is that you need to have an understanding and pre-agreement of how words are used in order for meaningful conversation to take place. In the above hypothetical conversation, meaningful conversation didn't take place. The reason is because two people are using the same word in 2 different ways. This is called "equivocation." That's a problem when people are trying to communicate. And you're right, you don't always know what a word means by it's context. That's when you need to ask the person what they mean. But yes, I agree with you. Language is more complex than we usually realize. A common meaning must be decided on in order for people to communicate. Imagine if every time I said the words "rock climbing" I really meant "in-line skating"? These fourms would be very, VERY confusing for both of us.
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bucephalus
Feb 20, 2004, 9:41 AM
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In reply to: this seems to be a nice time to have a symantical discussion.
you mean "semantic"?
ahahahahaha. sorry.
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sticky_fingers
Feb 20, 2004, 2:45 PM
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Shall we lower him down with a pulley? :)
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curt
Feb 20, 2004, 4:34 PM
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In reply to: Well this is my last post on this site cause there are so many english majors here im tired of them tearing me and others down for our spelling. And tring to impress me and others with their blatant harasment of us that do not spell so well...
So, you come here to RC.com--and post definitions that are totally wrong (without even looking in the site dictionary) and then you feel that you are a victim for being corrected?
Nobody here, myself included, is picking on you for being new or for not knowing the answers to the questions you are curious about. However, people will make fun of those who presume to know what they are talking about, when in reality they don't have a clue.
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taalon
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Now you have shown your true ignorance i stated to add to or change as needed and i did not deside to stop based off the Dyno and Static statement. I stopped do to the lack of actual intelectual posting. Re read the whole post and many of the others here. We have ENGLISH majors that all they want to do is complain about some of our spelling mistakes. Which is fine to hear once but to hear time after time by many people is just crap. So yes i stopped posting i even admited when i was wrong or incomplete in my defenitions thus you did not fully read the whole post. Thus showing that you to me in my eyes are another what i classify as a Flamer, one who loves to be mean to others and not help out in any constructive way.
(not back just had to make one last statement)
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pipsqueekspire
Feb 20, 2004, 8:23 PM
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Does anyone like my DANO idea?
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oldsalt
Feb 20, 2004, 8:59 PM
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I would offer a definition for "static":
Any move where the climber maintains 3 points of contact and without the use of momentum.
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superdiamonddave
Feb 20, 2004, 9:09 PM
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I just love our crazy jargon.
Here's one that is not in the climbing terms forum.
Power glide: Pretty much the same thing as the Deadpoint's description.
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jt512
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In reply to: Now you have shown your true ignorance i stated to add to or change as needed and i did not deside to stop based off the Dyno and Static statement. I stopped do to the lack of actual intelectual posting. Re read the whole post and many of the others here. We have ENGLISH majors that all they want to do is complain about some of our spelling mistakes. Which is fine to hear once but to hear time after time by many people is just crap. So yes i stopped posting i even admited when i was wrong or incomplete in my defenitions thus you did not fully read the whole post. Thus showing that you to me in my eyes are another what i classify as a Flamer, one who loves to be mean to others and not help out in any constructive way. (not back just had to make one last statement)
Is whiner in the glossary?
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In reply to: Shall we lower him down with a pulley? :)
No need for pulleys. I do believe, sir, that Mr.Taalon has already decked on the forum. We are merely here to sort out the details of his early demise... or should I say dimize?
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curt
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In reply to: ....Thus showing that you to me in my eyes are another what i classify as a Flamer, one who loves to be mean to others and not help out in any constructive way.
Curt
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climbsomething
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In reply to: We have ENGLISH majors that all they want to do is complain about some of our spelling mistakes.
JOURNALISM, you jackhole, not ENGRISH!
heheh
Oh, and FWIW, Jay is a biostatistician and nutritionist, and Curt is a broker who buys and sells semiconductors. Geeks, sure, but of the bonafide graphing-calculator-carrying type! 8)
So, you come here asking for advice, because you are obviously lacking in knowledge (nothing too bad, but still), and you cry when you get regulated? :cry: Pity. God forbid anybody try to correct you if you do something stupid at the crags...
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In reply to: you mean "semantic"?
I think RC.com is pretty anti-semantic.
That said...
Knowing that there are differences, isn't it relatively common to qualify words that are commonly misused and misunderstood? If the move involves jumping upwards and removing all appendages from the rock, I usually say it's a "full on dyno". If it is on a roped route, where full on dynos are rare, I'll say "dynamic move" if the climber does not entirely detatch. If the group is talking about a bouldering move that makes it a "Dyno problem".. I'm pretty sure it is understood to be a full-on dyno.
Taalon- Stick around. Don't get bummed out by Idiots because, well, they're Idiots.
In reply to: Does anyone like my DANO idea?
no.
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johnnord
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Re: DANO. Wasn't that Jack Lord's partner on Hawaii 5-0? Oops! I guess that really dates me.
Is there any chance this is a troll?
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In reply to: In reply to: ....Thus showing that you to me in my eyes are another what i classify as a Flamer, one who loves to be mean to others and not help out in any constructive way. Well, don't let the digital door hit you in the ass on your way out jackass. Curt
Snippit from TOS "Constructive criticism is welcome; destructive attacks on others, particularly the volunteer staff members of the site, are extremely unwelcome. "
Holy cow am i the only one that reads the TOS on forums when i chose to post on them? Cause curt you seem to have actually violated it when you made your last post. But i am not and Admin here however i do have to say your manner sure was not very nice.
Now to add to the post i think that the Dnyo explanation at the beginning was a good start but needed tweaked was all. There are many diffrent climbers and many diffrent ways to define something. I just think his earlier post was missing one important thing mentioned by others. Momentum. However instead of trying to complete his thoughts you had to tear him down. That sure sucks i think.
Anyways i think we whould all remember the Golden Rule even when we post, it will make for a much better place for all.
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In reply to: Holy cow am i the only one that reads the TOS on forums when i chose to post on them? Cause curt you seem to have actually violated it when you made your last post. But i am not and Admin here however i do have to say your manner sure was not very nice......Anyways i think we whould all remember the Golden Rule even when we post, it will make for a much better place for all.
It looks to me like you have only chosen to read this thread selectively. I first only said to taalon that his definitions were wrong--because they were. Later, after a few other people added thoughts, I posted my definitions of dyno and static climbing. Only after this nitwit continued to whine, complain, argue and then threaten to leave the site--did I call him out for being the know-nothing Gumby that he obviously is.
If you want the answer to a question, there are people here at RC.com that can most likely provide you with the correct answer. There is nothing wrong with asking any kind of question here. However, if you start posting things that are wrong and it is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about--expect (properly) to be called a know-nothing Gumby.
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If something is wrong fix it. But there is no need to be an ass about it, which is most definitely what you were curt. Fix the problem don't be an ass.
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In reply to: If something is wrong fix it. But there is no need to be an ass about it, which is most definitely what you were curt. Fix the problem don't be an ass.
Sorry, but I'm not a professional babysitter. Oh, and stfu, n00b. :lol:
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In reply to: Well this is my last post on this site cause there are so many english majors here im tired of them tearing me and others down for our spelling. And tring to impress me and others with their blatant harasment of us that do not spell so well... But out of all the posts on this thread and all the posted links there is one term that is missing. A term that maybe the climbers as a whole can help to determine the meaning of so RC can add it to their dicitonary. Static...... What is a Static move there is no defenition for it on any of the links posted that i could find. But i'm a subpar intelectual person and thus can not intelegently make a statement like that or add my bit of attempt at a definition for a intelegent discussion. Because if i try all i get is harased by greater intelectual people.
I didn't harrass you. I just pointed out some problems with your definitions. It was an attempt to make them better. I thought that's what you were trying to do.
In reply to: Personally all the most well known climbers in the world i have met have more tact and understanding to listen and not nit pick. But it seems that the climbing community has turned into the who is better then who. Rather then ok lets talk this out and make some meaningful comments rather then picking on others to make ourselfs look better.
My comments were not meaningful? Now who is insulting who? You only pay attention to the mean people.
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