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mhh35
May 9, 2004, 2:45 AM
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What's the best knot to tie two rope togther (same size )
For a heavy climber
Trying to untie double fishmen not going to happen
had to cut ropes
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qpang
May 9, 2004, 4:13 AM
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how heavy are you? I find it hard to believe you had to cut your ropes to undo a double fishermans knot. I use that knot all the time, and I've never had problems getting it untied.
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coldclimb
May 9, 2004, 4:19 AM
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Patience helps a lot with stubborn knots. ;)
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dirtineye
May 9, 2004, 5:23 AM
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OK, what exactly did you try when you could not untie a double fisherman's?
Give a really good description of your knot opening efforts.
I too find it pretty muhc umbeleiveable that a double fisherman's can;t be untied especially in a rappel scenario.
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mdude
May 9, 2004, 6:35 AM
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You should use and overhand knot. Take an arms length of the two ropes together and tie and overhand. A eight would be fine also. These knots are easy to untie after body weight and are perfectly safe. This way of tying the ropes together this way will help keeping the rope from becoming stuck as well. ____8_____
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kaczoron
May 9, 2004, 10:53 AM
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I haven't tried this but... Tie your double fishermans like you normaly would then around this tie an alpine butterfly so that the fishermans is in the loop of the butterfly. Alpines are easy as to undo after weighting them and are super strong and the double fishermans doesent even get weighted. The only problem i can think of is that the knot would probly get stuck on things a bit easier than just the fisherman. Good luck...
Nick.
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redpoint73
May 9, 2004, 11:58 AM
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In reply to: You should use and overhand knot. Take an arms length of the two ropes together and tie and overhand. A eight would be fine also. These knots are easy to untie after body weight and are perfectly safe. This way of tying the ropes together this way will help keeping the rope from becoming stuck as well. ____8_____
N -O -O - O ! ! !
A figure-eight with both tails on the same side is NOT safe for joining 2 ropes. This knot is known to capsize and untie itself under body weight. People have died using this knot.
The double overhand is perfectly fine, as long as you use long tails and the knot is well dressed. In regards to the original post, this knot is much eaiser to untie than the double fisherman, and safe.
And body weight should not make much of a difference as far as over-tightening the knot. Maybe you are bouncing around a lot as you are rapping?
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mustclimb69
May 9, 2004, 1:52 PM
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If safety wasnt a concern the easist knot is a Reef knot backed up with double overhands.
The alpine butterfly is also a good option and safer, with the tails joined in the loop with double fishermans
Overhands are pretty standard for joining 2 ropes and if you have problems untieing them you dont deserv to own ropes...haha
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dirtineye
May 9, 2004, 2:19 PM
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There is so much bad advice in this thread, it should be locked and deleted.
Fecking morons post stupid ideas on this site, and they don't know crap.
Get instruction from a qualified teacher and stop looking for advice on the internet.
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vegastradguy
May 9, 2004, 2:44 PM
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use an overhand. easy to untie, safe for rappelling. make sure you have long tails and pre-tension the knot and dress it nicely.
the idiot who said a fig-8 will be taken care of by his own stupidity.
if you choose to use a fig-8, use a rethreaded fig-8 so that the ropes come out on diff sides. this, however, can also be tough to untie.
never heard of having to cut the rope to get a knot out. you prolly didnt try hard enough, but hey, they're your ropes.
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rrrADAM
May 9, 2004, 3:50 PM
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Weight doesn't matter... Use the Euro Deat Knot (EDK), which is just a simple dressed overhand with 12" tails.
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csoles
May 9, 2004, 4:29 PM
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Everyone assumes the OP is referring to rappeling, which may or may not be the case. The offset overhand bend (EDK) is okay for rapping but a terrible choice for top-roping. Best option for a top-rope scenario (or similar application) is the figure-9 bend. It's very secure and much easier to untie than a double fishermans. Avoid the square fishermans (reef knot variation mentioned earlier, insecure) and the butterfly combo is just a bad idea (snag everything)
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mhh35
May 9, 2004, 6:43 PM
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qpang ask
how heavy are you? 250lbs and 6ft tall
I read all the comments?
Everybody saying different things
I'll try some of them and get back with you all
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epic_ed
May 9, 2004, 7:38 PM
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epic_ed moved this thread from Gear Heads to General.
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lstockett
May 9, 2004, 8:01 PM
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Your question wasn't specific enough. Rather than guess the particulars of your situation I'll suggest places you can find the answer yourself.
You should probably do some reading. Check out Mountaineering: The Freedom of the Hills. There's also a Knots for Climbers in the Falcon series.
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coldclimb
May 9, 2004, 9:48 PM
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I would recommend not using this thread as a basis for your decision. There's too many different methods being advised here, and some of them have been proven to be deadly. Seriously, this post shouldn't be used to decide.
That said, I go with Adam and recommend the EDK. It works well. Leave long tails to compensate for a roll or two. When it rolls, it tightens up even harder. Sometimes this can make it hard to untie, but it can still be done.
DO NOT use the figure 8 with both tails at one end of the knot. This has killed people, because the knot can roll off the end of the rope without tightening. If an 8 is your choice, do it with the tails opposed.
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mhh35
May 16, 2004, 1:26 AM
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IN John Long How to rock climb
Said: double overhand knot and figure eight follow_through with fisherman ,double fisherman
also talks about a square knot with fisherman
he does endorce using it
How to Rap
Craig Luebben
figure eight follow_through with fisherman
square knot with fisherman
After reading and talking to other climbers
Everybody uses somethig different
What ever you use JUST be safe
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