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muslmutt
Jul 25, 2004, 12:22 PM
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When you finally finish creating you vision of the complete, fully rounded and balanced trad rack do not caculate the value of this work of art! Yes it is beautiful and ready for any situation, but its value transcends a dollar amount. Besides if you know the amount you are forced to lie or tell the truth when asked. This can create dangerous situations with the wife, or be embarrasing in other circles. Seriously how much does a complete trad rack cost? On average. I added mine up, could'nt believe it at first.
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justin
Jul 25, 2004, 1:53 PM
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about a bag. that'd be a grand in newspeak.
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anykineclimb
Jul 25, 2004, 2:32 PM
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At least a Grand..
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vegastradguy
Jul 25, 2004, 2:48 PM
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pffft....are you kidding? a full trad rack, with all the trimmings?
easy three grand. easy. i've got twice that by now, and i know folks who have more like ten or fifteen....
a grand is just about 2/3 of your cams. add in cams, stoppers, hexes, carabiners, slings, harness, shoes, and all that other crap...
easy three, although i would suspect if you were judicious in your purchasing...you could probably get by with $2500.00 or so.
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geezergecko
Jul 25, 2004, 7:22 PM
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Isn't it about the same as a good set of golf clubs? Or a kevlar sea kayak? Or a complete windsurfing kit? Trad climbing gear is cheap by comparison to some of the play things you could spend money on.
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caughtinside
Jul 25, 2004, 7:29 PM
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Trad rack? Hell, I got everything cheep/sale, so probably about a G.
What's killing me is the sport climbing. I think I've spent over $500 on bolts in the last 12 months. 8^)
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holdplease2
Jul 25, 2004, 7:40 PM
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Dude, sport climbing is killing my budget, too! I just can't believe it.
And I MISSED the Prana Warehouse Sale. OMG.
The hot new trend at the crags is to try to dress like a dirtbag, though. Some of the local "crag bettys" (see post in ladies room) are even wearing Dickies and Carhaarts. So maybe I'll be OK...but I don't know for sure.
My trad (aid) rack is worth more than my truck. And my truck is worth more than my home (a trailer). Its a scary time, ladies and gentlemen.
-Kate.
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caughtinside
Jul 25, 2004, 7:53 PM
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In reply to: Dude, sport climbing is killing my budget, too! I just can't believe it.
I totally hear you! Bolts are more expensive than you'd think! I wish I could find someone to come and bolt all this rock for me, so I could just show up and send! :P
I can see an aid rack getting pricey, but a standard trad rack for 2500? Are people paying...[shudder]...retail?
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climbingnurse
Jul 25, 2004, 8:19 PM
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A very conservative estimate:
-15 cams @ $50: $750
-15 biners to rack those cams @ $5: $75
-20 free biners @ $5: $100
-10 2' slings @ $5: $50
-1.5 sets of stoppers @ $75: $112
-3 tri-cams @ $15: $45
-4 lockers @ $8: $32
So, that comes to a little under $1200. But then you still need cordelette, nut tool, and some other accessories along with the basic climbing package (pack, harness, shoes, chalkbag, helmet, belay device).
And of course, all those numbers are on the low side. Oh, and you'll probably buy some things twice cuz you lose it or don't like it. I'd say $1,500 is probably a realistic number and I'd bet my rack is worth at least $2,000. But I didn't pay retail for much of it, so...
I had this conversation with my brother and he was totally aghast. But then I asked him what he thought he spent on going out to bars and clubs in a year... He spends a lot more on his "entertainment" than I do.
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fireclimber
Jul 25, 2004, 9:14 PM
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Are you ever done "building" your rack, I spend more on plane tickets than anything!!!, but I did just book another non stop to Denver for 152 bucks!
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gypsylandslide
Jul 26, 2004, 3:28 AM
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yeah, I just started building my rack...I didn't pay retail for much of it, but it seems that I've spent more on my rack than the cost of my car and motorcycle combined. hmm...I guess that explains why I keep having to bum rides to the crags.
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vegastradguy
Jul 26, 2004, 6:09 PM
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climbingnurse-
thats some cheap gear! i wish my stuff cost that much! most of my gear costs quite a bit more than that. only biners i can find @ $5 are ovals!
caught- no one likes me enough to give me a pro-deal...all my crap is retail (most of it on sale, though...)
kate- that worries me....alot!
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pawilkes
Jul 26, 2004, 6:13 PM
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i don't have much of a rack at all but it isn't a bad idea to keep an approximate value on your gear incase it gets stolen and you need to get money from the insurance company (if you're lucky enough to have it covered)
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boku
Jul 26, 2004, 6:18 PM
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The other night we were watching CSI, and one of the characters described a certain cosmetic enhancement as a "ten thousand dollar rack."
By the time I'd stopped thinking along that tangent, the episode was over.
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tenn_dawg
Jul 26, 2004, 6:37 PM
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Y'all are missing that the most major hidden expense in all of climbing is GAS!!
My rather substantial trad rack pales in comparison to yearly fuel costs.
30,000 miles last year
14 miles per gallon
$1.60 per gallon
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$3428 on gas.
I live on campus, so guess where that gas was burned. Cha-Ching
I'm buying a prius. Comparable fuel cost would have been... $960. Or a TDI VW....$1021.
Substantial.
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climbingkt
Jul 26, 2004, 7:21 PM
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I do have to agree that most of my money goes for gas!! I was lucky enough to get most the cams and other stuff I needed below wholesale. :lol:
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skinnyjim
Jul 26, 2004, 8:03 PM
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You lucky when you are my age.. parents buy stuff for you on your birthday HEHEHEHEHE :lol:
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pneumoped
Jul 26, 2004, 8:15 PM
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In reply to: My trad (aid) rack is worth more than my truck. And my truck is worth more than my home (a trailer). Its a scary time, ladies and gentlemen. -Kate.
Those sound like pretty good priorities to me. Sometimes I wish I had it the way you have it. Every time I've saved up some money for a new mountain bike or a set of Camelots, the house breaks and needs fixin.
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wetrocks
Jul 26, 2004, 8:26 PM
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One easy way to justify buying gear is to break it down per climb. I just tell myself hey after 100 climbs that'd be only 50 cents per climb for that new cam.
Yes climbing is kinda expensive but it's incremental pain...buy it as you need it. It's not, at least for me, one big purchase. I've spread it out whereas buying a surfboard and a wetsuit at once, now that hurts (board now gone to support climbing habit).
I've always thought climbing was cheap considering where it gets you.
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roboclimber
Jul 26, 2004, 8:26 PM
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Just started building my trad rack after climbing only sport. I already have $1000.00 invested and I am about half way there. If you catch sales, you can get things for a reasonable price; but man, the stuff really adds up.
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sarcat
Jul 26, 2004, 8:27 PM
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Sooooo..... All you people that have purchased whole sale or below. Fill us in on the details as to how, whom etc. so we can too. I get everything at the local store for 15% off because of SAR but how much better is whole sale?
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markc
Jul 26, 2004, 8:30 PM
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In reply to: i don't have much of a rack at all but it isn't a bad idea to keep an approximate value on your gear incase it gets stolen and you need to get money from the insurance company (if you're lucky enough to have it covered)
First off, I'd like to address the "if you're lucky enough to have it covered" part. With the low cost of renter's insurance, there is no reason not to have coverage for your personal property. You'll spend maybe $100 annually. For the cost of one locking biner a month, you'll never have to worry about your rack.
I tend to think of my rack as separate from my other gear. Ropes, shoes, harnesses and the like are in one mental compartment, and protection is in another. Biners and slings are somewhere in between. YMMV. Even with an inventory, I couldn't really tell someone what I paid for all of it. Some items were gifts (which sure beat sweaters and underwear), and some were just good sales. Still, it would be about as fun as cataloging comic books (if a lot less time-consuming). If I get around to it, I'll repost.
mark
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euroford
Jul 26, 2004, 8:59 PM
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i'm really freekin anal, and always trying to figure out ways to play with my gear when i'm stuck in the city. so i keep an excel spreadsheet of ALL of my climbing related equipment. racks, ropes, tents, stoves, clothes, everything. it includes all pertinant information such as price, weight, size, color, uses, date and place of purchase.
its really nice for packing for diffrent trips, and its helped me save allot of weight in my pack. but yup, when you see the prices add up its really really really scary.
what hit me the worst though, was two years ago when i recieved a $600 divident from rei and a $350ish this year. i ran up the $600 without even buying any pro!
to tell you the truth though. this climbing thing (even including gas, gear and plane tickets) doesn't even hold a candle to my former car addiction. when i built up my Merkur i spent over $10,000 on the engine alone.
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tedc
Jul 26, 2004, 9:36 PM
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Climbing gear is cheap....BUT
Climbers are cheaper.
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