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Nov 19, 2004, 4:14 AM
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Reminds me of Mr. Furious in that movie, Mystery Men. :lol:
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climbsomething
Nov 19, 2004, 9:17 AM
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utjake was out of line, though the whole thread is whiny. I wonder why it was bumped, anyway. oh, and clausti gets a happy trophy for telling the kids to STFU.
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jt512
Nov 19, 2004, 6:49 PM
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Oops. I meant to go back and delete the offending post, but forgot to. Thanks for catching that.
-Jay
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pettsnjam
Nov 22, 2004, 9:15 PM
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It's amazing what people will argue about and usually i don't care but I just wanted to point out that almost every time I come to this site I see pictures of people slacklineing on the front page. What the heck does that have to do with "only rock climbing pics on rockclimbing.com" So all you slackliners out there can suck my left and right nut. I say bring on more pictures of mountains then pictures of peoples asses close up.
I also loved your mountain shots on the website, wish I could move AK!
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saltamonte
Nov 22, 2004, 10:10 PM
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I like landscapes but I agree with the editors that this rockclimbing.com not scenery.com some landscapes are very rockclimbing related others are not and the exact place to draw the line becomes hard to define.
So I understand them and am glad you have a site for the scenery shots. look forward to seeing new ones
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micahmcguire
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Clausti-First of all, I want to thank you for beating this dead horse.
On to the point. I was not talking to you, and I think that is the whole point. Let me clarify the mechanics of your hypocrisy: you are harassing me for harassing some fellow who was harassing me. My "gem" as you call it, was a defensive gesture against an asshole who made rude comments towards me. Am I not justified? Is this hypocritical of me? However, for you to say "I don't like antagonists either...be a little more hypocritical..." and then immediately thereafter antagonize me is much less justifiable and more hypocritical than my defense against the original desparaging comment I was eloquently rebutting with my "suck my left nut" comment.
Moreover, no one pays any attention to what I have stated over and over again. My website is for Alaskan peak-baggers. This thread was originally to inform Alaskan peak-baggers about my website. I don't care if some dumb kid from the southeast or Texas doesn't think my pictures are pretty, or educational for that matter. The pictures aren't for you, nor is my website for you. Its for people like myself who are passionate about the Chugach, and therefore will glean many times the information and enjoyment from looking at the pictures and data than some punk from down south who doesn't climb mountains. That said, I urge anyone and everyone to check it out, it just won't mean that much to anyone who doesn't climb the mountains and glaciers up here. To them, its just a bunch of pretty (or not) pictures. You are obviously one of "them".
I disagree with you when you describe this website as something "which you and I belong to equally as much." You've posted like 130 times and submitted no photos or other helpful tidbits. I'm not going to go into how much time and effort I have poured into expanding the database on this site, but rest assured it's a fair bit more than you. Therefore, for you to insist that the front page pics be so purist is rather daft of you. You want a voice? Contribute something!
And who are you to tell me that this isn't "lookatmountains.com" and that pictures of mountains don't qualify as climbing pictures? Aren't mountains made of rock? If you are performing a technical alpine ascent, aren't you performing the same moves with the same equipment? The answer of course is yes, but moreso. Good mountains are the mother of all climbs, and require rock climbing, ice climbing, glacial traverse, and other skills that your average car-camping sport climber just doesn't have or understand. Is mountain climbing rock climbing too? Hell yeah it is, and how.
Anyways, my long-winded point, and this opinion is shared by many on this site, is that it doesn't have to be a picture of some dude's ass as he wiggles his way up some bolted face or cam-filled crack to qualify as a climbing picture. Those pictures are nice, they are valid, and they often depict the finer moments of rock climbing. However, I don't think any of the long-time members or major contributors on this site would agree with you that this is to be a "rock climbing only" site. If so, its awfully hypocritical of them to include forums, route info, pictures, etc of ice climbing, glacier traversing, and mountain climbing.
By the way, your suggestion of topo maps is a very stupid one. You can download them from several sources on the net, so there really is no point in posting them. Not only that, but to assume that you can glean more route detail in looking at a topo map than at a good picture of a peak is silly. Topos are nice, and they certainly help to give you a general idea of how to climb a peak, but very often they are useless in spotting routes up good, craggy mountains. How are you gonna find a tiny couloir or icefall on a topo? And besides, I'm sure you'd just loooove looking at topos on the front page rather than at mountain pictures.
Regardless of your bantering, founded or not, it makes very little difference what you think I should post to rc.com. I don't really post pictures anymore. Alpinists are discriminated against in the photo submissions guidelines, and until I can post a picture of a good peak at the same resolution people can post butt-shots, slacklining pics, etc, I am not going to clutter your precious front page with any more mountain pictures. Some of you people aren't worth it. Hence, the whole point of this thread.
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sarcat
Nov 22, 2004, 11:02 PM
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micah:
There is a line this site tries to maintain to keep it a CLIMBING site. Most who use it cross that line with pics of SOs, pets, campsites, etc. etc. I think most of us like to see into the personas of others who use this site through their pictures and posts. I would say you simply need more climbing pictures.
By the way the one of your wife at Portage has many times before been nominated for "best on this site". Good work.
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takeme
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In reply to: Clausti-You've posted like 130 times and submitted no photos or other helpful tidbits.
The many viewers of "Women of RC.com" might disagree with you on that one bud.
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zozo
Nov 22, 2004, 11:23 PM
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It's interesting to note that the troll who came back like three months later to bump this thing with further insult's post has been deleted.
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micahmcguire
Nov 22, 2004, 11:26 PM
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In reply to: but my "Alaskan only" mentality is fairly realistic. (snip) My point is that, when I submit a picture of a particular peak, and someone from Texas (or where ever) sees it, they tend to think "that's a nice mountain" at best. When an Alaskan climber sees it they think "Oh yeah, thats 'such-and-such' Peak, I'd like to climb it, its in my neighborhood, and I think I'll try that route right there".
I find myself nodding in agreement.
Henceforward Micah, I admonish you to refrain from gazing upon pictures of El Capitan, Half Dome or any other California climbing objective.
Fact is, we don't want or need Alaska Peak Baggers commenting on our fine peaks.
Seriously, just shut your eyes or something.
DMT
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clausti
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In reply to: ...On to the point. I was not talking to you,
You posted on the website. I belong to the website [though I didn't pay, and neither did you, so we both belong equally.]
In reply to: and I think that is the whole point.
Oh, cause I thought the point was about your website, or potentially about bitcshing that they wouldnt approve more than 15 pages of peak shots.
In reply to: Let me clarify the mechanics of your hypocrisy: you are harassing me for harassing some fellow who was harassing me. My "gem" as you call it, was a defensive gesture against an asshole who made rude comments towards me. Am I not justified? Is this hypocritical of me? However, for you to say "I don't like antagonists either...be a little more hypocritical..." and then immediately thereafter antagonize me is much less justifiable and more hypocritical than my defense against the original desparaging comment I was eloquently rebutting with my "suck my left nut" comment.
I was not harassing you. I was pointing out a few things. And pardon me, if I do not think "suck my left nut" qualifies as an "eloquent rebuttal"
In reply to: ... My website is for Alaskan peak-baggers. ... I don't care if some dumb kid from the southeast ... The pictures aren't for you, ...That said, I urge anyone and everyone to check it out, ...You are obviously one of "them".
I think you're above statements are contradictory. Though I enjoyed the paranoia of the end.
In reply to: I disagree with you when you describe this website as something "which you and I belong to equally as much." ... You want a voice? Contribute something!
I have contributed sir. As you said, about 130 times. And technically, it is also not true that I have submitteed "no" pictures, as I did submit one, that I admittedly did not take, for my profile shot. I later took it off of my profile, but it is there. Technically.
In reply to: And who are you to tell me that this isn't "lookatmountains.com" and that pictures of mountains don't qualify as climbing pictures? ...Good mountains are the mother of all climbs, and require rock climbing, ice climbing, glacial traverse, and other skills that your average car-camping sport climber just doesn't have or understand. Is mountain climbing rock climbing too? Hell yeah it is, and how.
How touching... an insult tossed in there that I didn't even see the first time. It is truly amazing the care and detail you imbue your rants with.
In reply to: Anyways, my long-winded point, and this opinion is shared by many on this site, is that it doesn't have to be a picture of some dude's ass as he wiggles his way up some bolted face or cam-filled crack to qualify as a climbing picture. ...
Yes, it was long winded, I'm glad you speak for so many, and indeed, you are correct. It does not, in fact, have to be a picture of some dude's ass to qualify as a climbing picture. Good call.
In reply to: By the way, your suggestion of topo maps is a very stupid one. ...
My apologies, I will attempt to refrain from blatant sarcasm in future reparte.
In reply to: Regardless of your bantering, founded or not, it makes very little difference what you think I should post to rc.com. I don't really post pictures anymore..
Again, my apologies, this thread was on my precious front page when I clicked it. I should have taken the time to check the timestamp on the orgin post instead of just the one right above mine.
By the way, I think you are a good photographer. Not that my opinion confirms or in any way alters the fact that you are a good photographer. But for a better balance on this site, since it *does* include more than just sport, more than just trad, and more than just alpine climbing, I affirm my position that the front page pics should not be majority landsape.
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micahmcguire
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Dingus-I think you've totally missed the point. My point is that people who climb in the Chugach will enjoy and use my site and my pictures the most. I'm not telling people not to "gaze at pictures" of the mountains up here. I encourage it. However, the whole point of this problem we are having here is that people on rc.com don't seem to appreciate pictures of the Chugach the way I and other AK locals do. That is why I made my own site, something to cater to local climbers. I'm not telling people from out of town not to look at it. Anyways, your El Cap analogy is misplaced, as I have done a bit of climbing and hiking in that area (although its a pretty big area, I'd sure like to explore it more thoroughly). I can enjoy looking at a picture of some of the places in Yosemite as much as I can enjoy looking at pictures of a peak up here that I'd like to try and climb-because I've been there. First-person experience puts a real sense of enthusiams and attraction into looking at pictures related to things of that experience. Anyways, 'nuff said. Gaze at pics of Alaskan peaks, and I'll gaze at pics of El Cap. Neither means nearly as much to someone who hasn't been to either.
Clausti- HA! You flip-flopped! First, you suggest that mountain pictures don't belong on this site: "this is rockclimbing.com not lookatmountians.com," "I like seeing pictures of rock climbing, on rockclimbing.com," and most importanly "I want the balance of the climbing pics, especially on the front page, to outweigh the balance of landscapes." Then you suggest we should see a "a better balance on this site," and "I affirm my position that the front page pics should not be majority landsape" where you seem to make the point that all forms of climbing should be equally represented. Which is it? What is your point? Seems to me that you've backstepped a bit concerning the anti-alpinist attitude of your first post.
PS-I don't believe you when you say that you found this thread on the frnot page and clicked it. Your post on the 17th brought this thread out of hibernation, where it had been since July. I'm not trying to prove a point with that, I just don't buy your story. No matter.
Anyhow, let me just say, as far as your reply to my post, you see much that is not there. I'm not going to bother rebutting every dumbass who spews crap my way, so let me wrap up this unpleasant exchange with a summary of the points I would like to make.
1) Alpine climbing is climbing too, and as such pictures which are applicable to alpine climbing should be given as high a priority as pictures of sport, trad, aid, or ice climbing.
2) Portraits of mountains can provide critical details regarding route information, and low-resolution photographs just don't cut it. Low-resolution mountain portraits (as defined by the moderators of this site) just do not reveal enough detail to be useful. They must, at a minimum, be medium-sized.
3) Since the moderators on this site do not seem terribly interested in reversing this policy regarding the size of submissions, I don't see much of a point in submitting mountain portraits here anymore. I appreciate the pictures I have been able to submit in the past, but that was the past. Their policies have changed, and that's fine; its not my webspace, its their call...its just a bad call in my opinion. Since I see no reason to continue posting here, aside from the occasional pics, I will post this useful information and pictures on my personal website. Check it out.
4) My website, while it can be enjoyed by all, contains information that Alaskan climbers will enjoy and profit from more than anyone else, making their opinion most important to me. I don't care who doesn't like my site or my pictures, as long as I know that the local climbing community here in AK does.
I think that's about it. Now can't we all just get along?
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micahmcguire
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Silly me.... I thought this WAS lookatpicturesofmountains.com, not rockclimbing.com....... and I don't see how a picture of you friend humping a block of snow is "educational"...... my loss....... go figure....you're from texas So in Alaska, it's "normal" to hump blocks of snow?????
Yes, very normal
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In reply to: Dingus-I think you've totally missed the point.
Micah, I'm sorry Bro but I got your point. I thought I made mine, but here it is in English.
You posted a long winded rant on an international rock climbing forum and said that ONLY Alaskan Peak baggers had any business responding.
Now don't you see how absolutely ridiculous that sounds to the 99.99999999999999% OTHER PEOPLE of rc.com who aren't?
Put it another way, regardless of what you meant, you came off sounding petulent and ridiculous, a role sadly, that is usually mine. So I had to 'turf' you...
Cheers!
And I like your weird shots too and technical wizardry.
DMT
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Cool pics.
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In reply to: In reply to: Dingus-I think you've totally missed the point. Micah, I'm sorry Bro but I got your point. I thought I made mine, but here it is in English. You posted a long winded rant on an international rock climbing forum and said that ONLY Alaskan Peak baggers had any business responding. Now don't you see how absolutely ridiculous that sounds to the 99.99999999999999% OTHER PEOPLE of rc.com who aren't? Put it another way, regardless of what you meant, you came off sounding petulent and ridiculous, a role sadly, that is usually mine. So I had to 'turf' you... Cheers! And I like your weird shots too and technical wizardry. DMT
Well said.
So can we all shake hands and end this tissy fit? :roll: http://mysmilies.com/images/confused.gif
back to the topic please - and for those of you that havent noticed - this is the View this Website forum. Not the RipSomeoneANewOneBecauseOfASillyWebsite forum so please...stop acting like babies..
Micah - great shots man - rock on
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[Moderator's note: Post in violation of Terms of Service. Deleted. -Jay]
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clausti
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tikka_masala- why don't you grow up? both posts you referred to were in *community* which is by designation not neccasarily about climbing. the bikini pic was in a "post pictures hot pictures of yourself, women" thread and the quote above was referring to whether or not the male form was catagorically less aesthetic than the female. so, way to take stuff out of context.
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the_pirate
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I think we can all agree that SLACKLINING SUCKS
*edit* Damn, someone beat me to the slacklining joke.... though I suspect they might have been serious.
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In reply to: [Deleted by jt512 (Senior Moderator). Refer to comments above.]
God, you are a douche. Seriously. You're gonna have the nerve to call out a user who has written a lot of good stuff and been a real contributor to this site (read her posts, she's got a good idea of what's going on, probably because she climbers harder than me, and MUCH harder than you.)
You've posted 12 time to this site - each one is a waste of space.
Let's check this "gem":
In reply to: yaaaawwwn...................
Most of your other posts are the same thing.
Before you start abusing members about the quality of their content, why don't you get some quality first. And some quantity.
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This thread has an exceptionally high obnoxiousness quotient. Most of the credit goes, alas, to micahmcquire -- I'm sorry to see somebody who takes beautiful pictures write in such ugly voice. Following his lead a troll jumps in to be nasty, nothing else.
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micahmcguire
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I guess I should just bend over and take it in the ass when people antagonize me then eh? If you are annoyed by argument, then don't participate.
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In reply to: I guess I should just bend over and take it in the ass when people antagonize me then eh?
Either that or hump a block of ice.
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Awesome pics. Wish I had some of that down here.
Glad you found a proper place to host your photos.
Also glad somebody brought this thread back to life, even if just to flame. I missed the thread the first time around; glad I caught the site now.
Bookmarked.
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