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Kartessa
Nov 25, 2010, 6:28 PM
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petsfed wrote: guangzhou wrote: A well managed gym has both an environment that helps prevent injuries and educates their users about safety. From my experience, having a set up that involves drag pads but doesn't have some sort of mandatory spotting training means that you fail on both.
I'll have to agree with Petsfed on this one.
I fell in the gym on a drag pad, smack dab in the centre of it, without a spotter... broke the foot, sprained the ankle.
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guangzhou
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I don't disagree. Again, well managed is the key.
Of course, great training means nothing if the individual doesn't care. Acting safely is an individual responsibility, training people to act safely, in this case would be the gym's responsibility.
(This post was edited by guangzhou on Nov 26, 2010, 12:20 AM)
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cruxstacean
Nov 26, 2010, 4:24 AM
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Kartessa wrote: petsfed wrote: guangzhou wrote: A well managed gym has both an environment that helps prevent injuries and educates their users about safety. From my experience, having a set up that involves drag pads but doesn't have some sort of mandatory spotting training means that you fail on both. I'll have to agree with Petsfed on this one. I fell in the gym on a drag pad, smack dab in the centre of it, without a spotter... broke the foot, sprained the ankle.
So how would a spotter help with in this situation?
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notapplicable
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Express wrote: acorneau wrote: guangzhou wrote: I've seen a couple of gyms that use pea-gravel, what do you guys think of that? It sucks, big time. There was a gym in north Houston that used to have it. Every time we'd go up there to climb we would end up with a layer of dirt half way up to our knees.  +1 The two gyms nearest to me has this awful gravel, as well. It leaves powder all over your shoes and most of the footholds on the bouldering routes have been polished into smooth knobs as a result. It absolutely sucks to fall on. But, at least it's better than the solid hardwood floors they had at this other place I used to go to.
Do these gyms literally have pea gravel or do they 3/4" - 1 1/2" river stone type aggregate? If it's actually pea gravel, that would suck.
They gym near me uses river stone and I prefer it to a padded floor. I would imagine that they have a drain system and wash the stones down a few times a year because although it can be dusty, it's never like what you guys are describing. The major advantage I think though is that it absorbs a lot of energy when you land on it. I've seen that in action and it definitely works.
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notapplicable
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Kartessa wrote: petsfed wrote: guangzhou wrote: A well managed gym has both an environment that helps prevent injuries and educates their users about safety. From my experience, having a set up that involves drag pads but doesn't have some sort of mandatory spotting training means that you fail on both. I'll have to agree with Petsfed on this one. I fell in the gym on a drag pad, smack dab in the centre of it, without a spotter... broke the foot, sprained the ankle.
Nannystatesgyms breed incompetence!!
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acorneau
Nov 26, 2010, 2:32 PM
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notapplicable wrote: Do these gyms literally have pea gravel or do they 3/4" - 1 1/2" river stone type aggregate? If it's actually pea gravel, that would suck.
The place I mentioned had pea gravel, 1/4" to 1/2" pebbles, and yeah, it did suck.
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Jooler
Nov 26, 2010, 5:09 PM
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notapplicable wrote: Express wrote: acorneau wrote: guangzhou wrote: I've seen a couple of gyms that use pea-gravel, what do you guys think of that? It sucks, big time. There was a gym in north Houston that used to have it. Every time we'd go up there to climb we would end up with a layer of dirt half way up to our knees. +1 The two gyms nearest to me has this awful gravel, as well. It leaves powder all over your shoes and most of the footholds on the bouldering routes have been polished into smooth knobs as a result. It absolutely sucks to fall on. But, at least it's better than the solid hardwood floors they had at this other place I used to go to. Do these gyms literally have pea gravel or do they 3/4" - 1 1/2" river stone type aggregate? If it's actually pea gravel, that would suck. They gym near me uses river stone and I prefer it to a padded floor. I would imagine that they have a drain system and wash the stones down a few times a year because although it can be dusty, it's never like what you guys are describing. The major advantage I think though is that it absorbs a lot of energy when you land on it. I've seen that in action and it definitely works.
One of the gyms on Vancouver Island up here in Canada has a pea gravel floor. I personally have never been there, but I've heard you're blowing black snot out of your nose for hours after you leave....
I can't imagine how disgusting the holds must be.
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notapplicable
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acorneau wrote: notapplicable wrote: Do these gyms literally have pea gravel or do they 3/4" - 1 1/2" river stone type aggregate? If it's actually pea gravel, that would suck. The place I mentioned had pea gravel, 1/4" to 1/2" pebbles, and yeah, it did suck.
Interesting. You would think they would have figured out over time that people hate it and installed something else...
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acorneau
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notapplicable wrote: Interesting. You would think they would have figured out over time that people hate it and installed something else...
The gym closed after a few years. When the new owners opened it back up they put in a blue padded gym floor.
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petsfed
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cruxstacean wrote: Kartessa wrote: petsfed wrote: guangzhou wrote: A well managed gym has both an environment that helps prevent injuries and educates their users about safety. From my experience, having a set up that involves drag pads but doesn't have some sort of mandatory spotting training means that you fail on both. I'll have to agree with Petsfed on this one. I fell in the gym on a drag pad, smack dab in the centre of it, without a spotter... broke the foot, sprained the ankle. So how would a spotter help with in this situation?
A really good spotter might've prevented the position shift that caused the broken foot, but probably not.
I can guarantee that if you require some sort of spotting test, your bouldering clientele will dry up. Ask curt (or anybody else who knows enough about spotting to be useful) how long it took for him to spot effectively. It ain't like belaying or even climbing. Nobody is a natural spotter.
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bill413
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petsfed wrote: cruxstacean wrote: Kartessa wrote: petsfed wrote: guangzhou wrote: A well managed gym has both an environment that helps prevent injuries and educates their users about safety. From my experience, having a set up that involves drag pads but doesn't have some sort of mandatory spotting training means that you fail on both. I'll have to agree with Petsfed on this one. I fell in the gym on a drag pad, smack dab in the centre of it, without a spotter... broke the foot, sprained the ankle. So how would a spotter help with in this situation? A really good spotter might've prevented the position shift that caused the broken foot, but probably not. I can guarantee that if you require some sort of spotting test, your bouldering clientele will dry up. Ask curt (or anybody else who knows enough about spotting to be useful) how long it took for him to spot effectively. It ain't like belaying or even climbing. Nobody is a natural spotter.
I'm not sure I agree that there are natural belayers. I will fully agree it's a lot quicker to teach basic belaying skills (don't drop the climber) than it is to teach spotting.
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