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JasonsDrivingForce
Jun 8, 2009, 1:30 PM
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I think the real question is why would he want to do this? If some idiot went out and started playing chicken in the middle of the interstate you would think he was stupid. So why is this guy any different.
If he keeps doing things like this he will fall one day. Just ask the Wallendas!
http://www.wallenda.com/history.html
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kriso9tails
Jun 8, 2009, 5:53 PM
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Why? Sometimes it feels nice to be unencumbered and free.
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JasonsDrivingForce
Jun 8, 2009, 6:22 PM
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Oh I see “unencumbered free fall to your imminent death”. That just has a nice ring to it doesn’t it?
I hope he cheats death and never falls. However, I wouldn’t feel comfortable standing under him while he did it. He can’t possibly predict everything that could happen to him and if anything unexpected does happen he is likely to fall to his death. That is a chance I wouldn’t take.
Does he have any kids or family? If not then what the heck, I guess he can kill himself if he wants to. It would be a waste of a talented individual though.
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kriso9tails
Jun 8, 2009, 6:36 PM
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So you've never taken a risk in your life? For some, there are more important things in life than guaranteeing yourself a place amongst the ranks of the elderly.
You can call it 'cheating death' but that's not what it is. He has honed this skill, evaluated the risk and come to the conclusion that it was worth it from him. He didn't 'cheat' anything; he worked damn hard against it.
Does that mean he couldn't still die? Does it mean that he's not upping the risk? Of course not, but your reaction seems little more than ignorant.
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markc
Jun 8, 2009, 6:44 PM
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Here is a blog reply from Potter about untethered highlining, with a video from a fall on a different line. He talks about rehearsal of falls, taking the fall before getting beyond reach of the line, etc. I wouldn't (and couldn't) do it, but that goes for many things that elite athletes do.
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dingus
Jun 8, 2009, 6:48 PM
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JasonsDrivingForce wrote: Does he have any kids or family? If not then what the heck, I guess he can kill himself if he wants to. It would be a waste of a talented individual though.
That dude's talent is (in part) risking his life in ways like this.
So you're saying if he uses his talent and fails, it will have been a waste of that talent? Should he have never lived to begin with?
I for the life of me cannot fathom a rock climber getting all upity about someone else's risk.
However I do understand from whence some of the critical posters in this thread come from - gyms and sport climbs and other venues that allow them to pretend climbing is safe and sane.
It is neither, of course.
DMT
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wonderwoman
Jun 8, 2009, 7:19 PM
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Moved from Bouldering to Slacklining by WW.
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angry
Jun 8, 2009, 7:30 PM
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It similar to free soloing, it necessarily justifiable but it's not as bad as it seems either.
There's no reason to get your panties in a bunch over someone else's choices.
No, I wouldn't stand under him either, that's not the point though.
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JasonsDrivingForce
Jun 8, 2009, 8:27 PM
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Bottom line is that they don’t rate routes or problems based on the risk factor so why should he get extra credit for removing the tether?
The fact that he can make it across that rope without losing his balance is what impresses me not the fact that he didn’t die doing it. If I had seen that same picture except he had the tether on I would have thought the same thing which is “That is a cool view and a hard thing to do regardless of the height”.
If a race car driver removed his seat belt would that be more impressive? I don’t think so but your opinion may vary.
I still think that if he has young children or other dependents then unnecessarily risking his life is selfish. I read the post where Dan Osman’s daughter spoke about her dad’s death. It was just sad to hear her talk about how she felt after her dad died.
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angry
Jun 8, 2009, 8:37 PM
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Reread my above post. Especially the part where I said "isn't necessarily justifiable"
You're asking for justification.
There is none. There isn't a bag of money on the other side.
The only person who needs to justify it is Dean. In fact, he doesn't have to either.
Rewards don't have to outweigh the consequences, motivations don't have to be pure, an action doesn't have to make sense. Don't force it in.
Speaking from personal experience, he will have that experience with him until he dies, no matter how long from now. Don't put a value on that.
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angry
Jun 8, 2009, 8:54 PM
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JasonsDrivingForce wrote: angry wrote: Reread my above post. Especially the part where I said "isn't necessarily justifiable" Funny that you asked me to reread your post! Did you “proof read it” before you posted it? I did reread your post. 6 times actually and it still does not make sense to me. “It similar to free soloing, it necessarily justifiable but it's not as bad as it seems either.” Mix in a few more nouns and verbs and then maybe will be able to at least read your posts. I doubt we will ever understand them though. 
What's so hard to understand? You are looking for justification where there is none.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
All you really need to do is stop bitching.
Was I unclear?
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kriso9tails
Jun 8, 2009, 9:01 PM
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JasonsDrivingForce wrote: Bottom line is that they don’t rate routes or problems based on the risk factor...
Yes, they do.
In reply to: The fact that he can make it across that rope without losing his balance is what impresses me not the fact that he didn’t die doing it. If I had seen that same picture except he had the tether on I would have thought the same thing which is “That is a cool view and a hard thing to do regardless of the height”.
That's wonderful, but clearly he didn't do it to impress you.
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JasonsDrivingForce
Jun 8, 2009, 9:14 PM
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kriso9tails wrote: JasonsDrivingForce wrote: Yes, they do. Which grading systems that are still routinely used today grade based on fear or risk?
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kriso9tails
Jun 8, 2009, 9:38 PM
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YDS grades frequently include a protection rating that addresses just this thing. I believe that the British descriptive grades also factor this in.
Most bouldering guides that I own have a system that rates the risk and/ or intimidation factor. It's not a universal system, but it is frequently rated.
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majid_sabet
Jun 8, 2009, 9:54 PM
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Johnny boy
stop derailing the thread.
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angry
Jun 8, 2009, 9:58 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: Johnny boy stop derailing the thread.
I like puppies!!!
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bill413
Jun 8, 2009, 11:21 PM
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angry wrote: I like puppies!!!
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majid_sabet
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angry wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Johnny boy stop derailing the thread. I like puppies!!!
how did you know i was talking to you ?
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dingus
Jun 9, 2009, 3:45 PM
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JasonsDrivingForce wrote: kriso9tails wrote: JasonsDrivingForce wrote: Yes, they do. Which grading systems that are still routinely used today grade based on fear or risk? The ones that use G, PG, R and X. DMT
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shaun_the_conqueror
Jun 11, 2009, 5:28 PM
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Andy Lewis free soloing the classic LAS line. 4th person(??) to ever solo this.
Edit: I also wanted to point out that Dean isn't walking a slackline, he's walking 3/4" amsteel.
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areyoumydude
Jun 11, 2009, 6:09 PM
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That's a cool shot Shawn...no wait that guy must have a death wish or something. What a psycho!
You should post up a pic of his birfday gap crossing.
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