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climb14er
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Colorado's Greatest (Or Top Three) Rock Climber At Neptunes
Here's the info from Neptunes:
SPECIAL NIGHT! - Wednesday, December 8th - Pat Ament - $4.00
"Remembering Rock Climbing" - Talk and Slide Presentation
Come and meet an old sage of boulder climbing. Pat Ament is and always will be a legend in our sport of climbing. From groundbreaking first ascents, to numerous books he's written, to his musical talent, Pat is an inspiration to us all. Pat will be in the store from 6 to 8 pm for book signings, and his show will start at 8:00pm.
DON'T MISS THIS!
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Dec 8, 2004, 6:51 PM
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climb14er
Dec 8, 2004, 7:04 PM
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Jim Erickson is a very good choice. I would place Rick Rossiter in third place. Pat Ament and Layton Kor tied for first! BTW, kudos to Lynn Hill.
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Dec 8, 2004, 7:28 PM
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In reply to: Jim Erickson is a very good choice. I would place Rick Rossiter in third place. Pat Ament and Layton Kor tied for first! BTW, kudos to Lynn Hill.
Rossiter?? Are you serious? :shock:
He's definitely a prolific route developer but the exploits of Gill, Roger Briggs, Harvy Carter, among others, are without a doubt more noteworthy.
Should be a good show.
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pt
Dec 8, 2004, 7:34 PM
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Layton Kor
Jim Erickson
Steve Wunsch
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climbhoser
Dec 8, 2004, 7:55 PM
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Steve Wunsch
Pat Ament
Larry Hamilton
Ray Northcutt
Robert Ellingwood
Jim Dunn (outta C-Springs)
Tha Stettners
Larry Dalke
Roger Briggs (big ups to this man, he IS the Diamond)
This list goes on and on...
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climb14er
Dec 8, 2004, 8:23 PM
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He's definitely a prolific route developer but the exploits of Gill, Roger Briggs, Harvy Carter, among others, are without a doubt more noteworthy.
Should be a good show. >
Yes, I am. I think all the others like Dalke, Gill, Briggs, Wuensch, etc including Wayne Goss are all on the top of the list. Rossiter, IMHO, not only developed many of the routes, he climbed alpine extensively in addition to rock.
Pat Ament to me was the first gymnast/climber who climbed beautifully. I saw him climb numerous times and can honestly say he's right up there!
BTW, someone posted Robert Ellingwood. It was Albert Ellingwood. :wink:
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polarwid
Dec 8, 2004, 8:26 PM
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Now that we have hi-jacked this thread...
DAVE BREASHEARS
DUNCAN FERGUSON
CHRISTIAN GRIFFITH
and, uhh
ME!!! :wink:
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takeme
Dec 8, 2004, 8:48 PM
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Without getting into a debate of who exactly is the greatest, or who the "top 3" are, I feel that the late Earl Wiggins has to be mentioned with the other luminaries in this thread.
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thewyseclimber
Dec 8, 2004, 8:54 PM
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As to Harvey Carter...I work at a summer camp on the back of Pike's Peak, right down the road from harvey's house. In fact we often park on his property and even hike through it to various places. Anyway, I always see his name in guide books and such, and I've always wanted to talk with him sometime about climbing, but never had the chance to.
That said...does anybody have any info on climbing up around the Crags campground or across the road on a big slab face (we call it old baldy...)? I also scoped a line of bolts up some slabs up towards the end of the crags trail, and they looked relatively new. Anybody have any info on this stuff? And especially in relation to the bolts, I wonder if anybody knows what harvey's feelings on developing the area. There are definitely some good cracks to be had in the near vicinity of the crags campground, if anybody knows where I'm talking about.
Not to hijack the thread or anything...my apologies. But yes, it seems that Harvey was quite the climber back in the day. The FAs in the region seem endless.
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polarwid
Dec 8, 2004, 10:27 PM
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Actually, IMHO
The top three should be
KOR
CARTER
WIGGINS
but that is open to debate...
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flamer
Dec 8, 2004, 10:40 PM
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In reply to:
He's definitely a prolific route developer but the exploits of Gill, Roger Briggs, Harvy Carter, among others, are without a doubt more noteworthy.
Should be a good show. >
Yes, I am. I think all the others like Dalke, Gill, Briggs, Wuensch, etc including Wayne Goss are all on the top of the list. Rossiter, IMHO, not only developed many of the routes, he climbed alpine extensively in addition to rock.
Pat Ament to me was the first gymnast/climber who climbed beautifully. I saw him climb numerous times and can honestly say he's right up there!
BTW, someone posted Robert Ellingwood. It was Albert Ellingwood. :wink:
Dude!! You're killing me with Rossiter!!! He shouldn't be anywhere near this list!!
Hell I'd pick Bobd WAY before rossiter!!!
And isn't it Richard (or ricH) rossiter?? Not rick? :wink:
josh
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climbrc
Dec 8, 2004, 10:42 PM
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How do you define: Colorado's Greatest (Or Top Three) Rock Climber.
Namely, how do you define Colorado climber?
Is this who lives here now?
Who was born here?
Who lived her for more than 10 years??
Alive? Dead?
Hardest routes?
Most FA's?
What about Lowe, Caldwell, Durrance (I think he was here for a bit). Hill was only mentioned once.. in passing.
Cheers,
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Dec 8, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Mark Wilford -best alpine climber
Tommy Caldwell- best rock climber
aid --who cares
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flamer
Dec 8, 2004, 10:49 PM
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In reply to: Hill was only mentioned once.. in passing.
Hill may live here now, but she's not really considered a CO. climber.
Gunks maybe, J-tree, Yosemite maybe but not really CO.
josh
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climb14er
Dec 8, 2004, 11:01 PM
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Hell I'd pick Bobd WAY before rossiter!!!
And isn't it Richard (or ricH) rossiter?? Not rick? >
I just love it when a yung'un calls me 'Dude'. If you don't like Rossiter, you probably don't like Ament or Kor. Then again, most if not all of the yung'uns never climbed or met Ament, Kor, Rossiter. Their opinions are only based on heresay and rhetoric. Too bad cause the three that I mentioned and a lot of the others were some incredible climbers that many today couldn't even carry their jock straps! :wink:
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flamer
Dec 8, 2004, 11:24 PM
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In reply to: aid --who cares
More people than you think....
Oldschool...I'd say Kor
Newschool...It would have to be Jim Beyer(even though he blurs the old/new stuff abit)
But I'd also give an honorable mention to Khris Kalous.
josh
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Dec 8, 2004, 11:36 PM
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josh wrote:
In reply to: Hill may live here now, but she's not really considered a CO. climber. Gunks maybe, J-tree, Yosemite maybe but not really CO.
For the same reason, I thought Wunsch was an odd choice. In spite of his accomplishments climbing in Colorado, I always think of him more as a Gunkie than anything else.
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flamer
Dec 8, 2004, 11:41 PM
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In reply to: Hell I'd pick Bobd WAY before rossiter!!!
And isn't it Richard (or ricH) rossiter?? Not rick? >
I just love it when a yung'un calls me 'Dude'. If you don't like Rossiter, you probably don't like Ament or Kor. Then again, most if not all of the yung'uns never climbed or met Ament, Kor, Rossiter. Their opinions are only based on heresay and rhetoric. Too bad cause the three that I mentioned and a lot of the others were some incredible climbers that many today couldn't even carry their jock straps! :wink:
Ok translation...saying "dude" is like saying "man" from your time....
I have tremendous respect for Kor anyone that doesn't; hasn't a clue.
Ament was also a truly gifted climber...
Rossiter was/is great as well...
However putting Rossiter's name with Kor and Ament is like putting corn in your oatmeal- it just doesn't belong!!!
Have I ever met Kor or Ament?(and I've certainly never "climbed" them!! :wink: ) nope. Rossiter I've been around enough to develope an opinion.
Hearsay and rhetoric are awfully funny words to use here. What I know about "most" of the people I consider to be great and influential climbers I've learned 3 ways....Reading books(highly recommend the updated Climb!), listening to the stories told by other climbers(some of whom were there), and climbing the routes they climbed, did the FA's of, or covanted.
Calling the telling of climbing tale's heresay is fairly blasphamous(sp?) in my book....
josh
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Dec 8, 2004, 11:43 PM
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cool thread.
thewyseclimber was looking for some info on routes at the crags. i have some topos i've made and i could photocopy them for you. drop me a line and i'll do it. i think i might have met you at turkey last summer? the newer bolt lines have been mostly put up by bill schmauser i think, with some of the other lines being put in by other prominent colo springs and south platte climbers. the ones i have done have been pretty good. lot of good crack climbing in the area.
as far as the top 3 go, a good way to define colorado climber would be native. this is not in a snobbish sense, but seems most simple. this would eliminate some very good contenders for # 3 position. (my opinion of the top two would be kor and caldwell). guys getting ruled out on the native criteria would include some mega-heros like jim erickson, jimmy dunn, etc. i think my top three contenders for thrid place would be roger briggs (who OWNS 5.12 on the diamond) earl wiggins (perhaps the greatest unsung climber of all time) and harvey carter (met him last spring and he says he has put up over 5000 first ascents and has every one of them documented, i'd kill to inherit that pile of notes).
no offense in any way to rossiter, he is a great climber and a cool guy, but there are a lot of big dogs that are way, way up there.
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flamer
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In reply to: josh wrote: In reply to: Hill may live here now, but she's not really considered a CO. climber. Gunks maybe, J-tree, Yosemite maybe but not really CO. For the same reason, I thought Wunsch was an odd choice. In spite of his accomplishments climbing in Colorado, I always think of him more as a Gunkie than anything else.
Yup, good point.
I think Wunsch had a bigger impact on colorado climbing than Ms. Hill did...
I'm trying to think of what significant climbs she did in colorado...the Ophir wall comes to mind....I know she's climbed some hard and big route's here but I don't think she made the splash Wunsch did....not that they are "colorado climbers" but it's interesting none the less....
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flamer
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What about the late, great Billy Westbay??
Wasn't he a Colorado native??(C.springs i think?)
If nothing else being part of the first one day ascent of the Nose was pretty significant(especially considering the company he did it in).....
josh
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Dec 8, 2004, 11:49 PM
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The whole reason for the post was to mention the Neptune show. Perhaps I should have left out Rossiter's name as this has gotten people's attention and opinion. Personally, it's all about Kor and Ament in my book and if people want to lessen the reputation of Rossiter, no skin off of my back. Rossiter has climbed what many would only think of doing so in their dreams. I've seen two of the three climb and the third, I met in person and we talked at length. I climbed a lot with others who climbed with all three and some of the others mentioned earlier. I would have no problem carrying their gear racks, ropes, etc when I was climbing all of the time. I pay my respects to people who earn that respect. :wink:
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In reply to: jFor the same reason, I thought Wunsch was an odd choice. In spite of his accomplishments climbing in Colorado, I always think of him more as a Gunkie than anything else.
One interesting dimension was the contrasting, but both intensely ethical, approaches to free climbing by Steve and Jim.
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