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darkside
Apr 6, 2004, 1:41 AM
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If you are learning then my efforts are succeding.
........and the butterfly settled on the moss. :wink:
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oafy
Apr 6, 2004, 4:57 PM
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Again, we need to keep these places open, we already lost Campden, we cant afford to lose anymore areas in southern Ontario.
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cgarstin
May 7, 2004, 1:21 PM
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I once heard an expression that is very similar to this "butterfly effect" train of thought:
"If you shift one grain of sand in the desert, you change the course of history forever."
I understand what darkside is saying exactly, and it's frustrates me too. Sometimes I dream of the days when climbing was a fringe sport, barely anyone did it. It seems that as climbing grows in popularity, more and more people with disregard for the natural environment around us are taking it up.
Every time I go to Rattlesnake (The Beach) now, the parking lot has Yukons, BMW's and Xterras. The crag is full of people that think a parallel can be drawn between climbing and skateboarding, that climbing is about "us" and "them", some sort of confrontation. The people who ask things like "What's the big deal if I brush some moss of a boulder".
Why do people always seem to think that they should challenge the people involved in access issues? Why do people try to grasp a situation that obviously they know little about. If people knew the importance of preserving the natural environment, and respecting peoples wishes with regards to climbing access, then we wouldn't have to have these conversations.
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joelshmael
May 22, 2004, 4:14 AM
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In reply to: I once heard an expression that is very similar to this "butterfly effect" train of thought: "If you shift one grain of sand in the desert, you change the course of history forever." I understand what darkside is saying exactly, and it's frustrates me too. Sometimes I dream of the days when climbing was a fringe sport, barely anyone did it. It seems that as climbing grows in popularity, more and more people with disregard for the natural environment around us are taking it up. Every time I go to Rattlesnake (The Beach) now, the parking lot has Yukons, BMW's and Xterras. The crag is full of people that think a parallel can be drawn between climbing and skateboarding, that climbing is about "us" and "them", some sort of confrontation. The people who ask things like "What's the big deal if I brush some moss of a boulder". Why do people always seem to think that they should challenge the people involved in access issues? Why do people try to grasp a situation that obviously they know little about. If people knew the importance of preserving the natural environment, and respecting peoples wishes with regards to climbing access, then we wouldn't have to have these conversations.
you know, i think somewhere in the there you've lost the point as well
i'm not particularly interested in access issues or yuppies vs. true climbers or rampant environmental protection. i'm interested in finding beautiful pieces of rock to respect and enjoy. i want nothing more than to improve my ability to get myself up difficult pieces of stone, gaining new knowledge of myself and nature.
so screw it. i love climbing, but i've already grown absolutely sick of the community. bitch back and forth about any petty issue. i'll be somewhere remote brushing a little moss off and asking its forgiveness.
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