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acacongua
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wjca wrote: J-Glo gave you a good explanation as to what could be making you puke more in the morning than in the afternoon. If you were a real climber with a deep sense of integrity, you'd realize this and offer up an apology. That is BS. They still harrassed her and then later (after being reprimanded) offered other suggestions causing her symptoms. As they proved to themselves, a woman with nausea could be suffering an issue and not pregnant.
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jgloporto
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acacongua wrote: wjca wrote: J-Glo gave you a good explanation as to what could be making you puke more in the morning than in the afternoon. If you were a real climber with a deep sense of integrity, you'd realize this and offer up an apology. That is BS. They still harrassed her and then later (after being reprimanded) offered other suggestions causing her symptoms. As they proved to themselves, a woman with nausea could be suffering an issue and not pregnant. Did you even read this thread???
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acacongua
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Of course. The best thing you suggested was that she go see a doctor. BTW, you need to look up symptoms of giardia. Vomiting isn't a symptom. However, nausea without vomiting is - the most common symptom is diarrhea.
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jgloporto
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acacongua wrote: Of course. Then can you tell me where the OP was "harrassed"? Just so we are clear, English is read left to right and top to bottom.
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jgloporto wrote: acacongua wrote: Of course. Then can you tell me where the OP was "harrassed"? Just so we are clear, English is read left to right and top to bottom. Technically arguing with a woman in a forum designated for them could be construed as harassment. Common man as a lawyer you should know that everything is left to interpretation.
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jgloporto
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bizarrodrinker wrote: jgloporto wrote: acacongua wrote: Of course. Then can you tell me where the OP was "harrassed"? Just so we are clear, English is read left to right and top to bottom. Technically arguing with a woman in a forum designated for them could be construed as harassment. Common man as a lawyer you should know that everything is left to interpretation. Yeah but this is the first argument in this thread. Where is there even an argument in this thread? I'm just ticked that this is one of the few examples of a thread where I tried to offer legitimate advice, which apparently amounts to "harrassment." Fuck this, I'm going back to Campground. To the OP: I'm sorry. You are right. You are suffering from AMS. Because the condition has persisted for this long and because it did not improve with the descent, that clearly means that you have advanced stage cerebral edema. At this point you are probably dead but if not, your brain will swell uncontrollably until that happens. If you would like to make peace with your maker, please PM pinktricam.
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lhwang
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acacongua wrote: Of course. The best thing you suggested was that she go see a doctor. BTW, you need to look up symptoms of giardia. Vomiting isn't a symptom. However, nausea without vomiting is - the most common symptom is diarrhea. This is probably beside the point, but vomiting is indeed a symptom of giardia. In addition to eggy burps and explosive diarrhea, and other lovely GI symptoms. Giardia is not, however, a bacteria. It's a protozoan. jgloporto, I think this is probably a case of not what you said but how you said it. It's one thing to respectfully suggest that pregnancy could be a cause of vomiting in the mornings. It's another thing to joke around that maybe it's because you got knocked up in the backcountry. Anyway to the OP, the chance that you have altitude sickness is very slim. Go to your doctor. Nobody on this forum can get a complete history, do a physical exam on you or order the tests you might need to get a diagnosis.
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acacongua
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jgloporto wrote: Then can you tell me where the OP was "harrassed"? Just so we are clear, English is read left to right and top to bottom. Harassing means to irritate or torment. Apparently you weren't aware of the meaning, being as eminently cognizant of English as you appear. Declaring a woman is pregnant just because she's experiencing nausea in a jesting manner fits that description. She owes you appreciation for your concern, but not an apology for being offended, which she was - unless she is preg. However, most women I know rule out that possibility before taking concern of an illness. Wouldn't "first hand" experience teach you that?
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desertwanderer81
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lhwang wrote: acacongua wrote: Of course. The best thing you suggested was that she go see a doctor. BTW, you need to look up symptoms of giardia. Vomiting isn't a symptom. However, nausea without vomiting is - the most common symptom is diarrhea. This is probably beside the point, but vomiting is indeed a symptom of giardia. In addition to eggy burps and explosive diarrhea, and other lovely GI symptoms. Giardia is not, however, a bacteria. It's a protozoan. jgloporto, I think this is probably a case of not what you said but how you said it. It's one thing to respectfully suggest that pregnancy could be a cause of vomiting in the mornings. It's another thing to joke around that maybe it's because you got knocked up in the backcountry. Anyway to the OP, the chance that you have altitude sickness is very slim. Go to your doctor. Nobody on this forum can get a complete history, do a physical exam on you or order the tests you might need to get a diagnosis. She has a pretty good point, while everything jglo said was potentially usefull and reasonable advice, it was said in fairly sarcastic, whitty, and slightly demeaning manner. Beside jglo, you should know never to argue with a woman! You'll never win ;)
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acacongua
Oct 25, 2007, 5:15 PM
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lhwang wrote: This is probably beside the point, but vomiting is indeed a symptom of giardia. In addition to eggy burps and explosive diarrhea, and other lovely GI symptoms. Really? The medical web sites I read said differently. I recalled that fact when I looked it because I was infected (and I wasn't vomiting). It sucks too - and the meds that take care of it also cause stomach pain. It was a rough 2 weeks.
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acacongua wrote: jgloporto wrote: Then can you tell me where the OP was "harrassed"? Just so we are clear, English is read left to right and top to bottom. Harassing means to irritate or torment. Apparently you weren't aware of the meaning, being as eminently cognizant of English as you appear. Declaring a woman is pregnant just because she's experiencing nausea in a jesting manner fits that description. She owes you appreciation for your concern, but not an apology for being offended, which she was - unless she is preg. However, most women I know rule out that possibility before taking concern of an illness. Wouldn't "first hand" experience teach you that? She didn't mention when the last time she menstruated was so I can't rule that out. She also didn't say one way or another that pregnancy wasn't a possibility (as you alluded to above). This "Ladies Room" we have to be extra polite rule should not apply here, because as I mentioned in my first post, this should be in the Alpine and Ice forum where this topic is frequently discussed... unless of course I've got it completely wrong and pregnancy is gender neutral and AMS affects only women. If that's the case, let me know, cause I'll happily get a script for the pill, pack my bags and head off to Karkoram. I'm done with this thread. See you somewhere near the 8,000 meter mark!
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jgloporto
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desertwanderer81 wrote: lhwang wrote: acacongua wrote: Of course. The best thing you suggested was that she go see a doctor. BTW, you need to look up symptoms of giardia. Vomiting isn't a symptom. However, nausea without vomiting is - the most common symptom is diarrhea. This is probably beside the point, but vomiting is indeed a symptom of giardia. In addition to eggy burps and explosive diarrhea, and other lovely GI symptoms. Giardia is not, however, a bacteria. It's a protozoan. jgloporto, I think this is probably a case of not what you said but how you said it. It's one thing to respectfully suggest that pregnancy could be a cause of vomiting in the mornings. It's another thing to joke around that maybe it's because you got knocked up in the backcountry. Anyway to the OP, the chance that you have altitude sickness is very slim. Go to your doctor. Nobody on this forum can get a complete history, do a physical exam on you or order the tests you might need to get a diagnosis. She has a pretty good point, while everything jglo said was potentially usefull and reasonable advice, it was said in fairly sarcastic, whitty, and slightly demeaning manner. Beside jglo, you should know never to argue with a woman! You'll never win ;) Yeah, sarcastic, whitty and slightly demeaning is just the ways I is. And I usually don't argue with women. The trap I fall into is the one that got me here... I wasn't even aware that an argument was underway. To keep the theme, arguing with a woman is like a hidden snow bridge, you don't know you're on it till you crash down to the bottom of a crevasse.
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Exactly! So be more careful, hehe. I seldom know I'm getting into trouble either until all of a sudden I'm getting beaten by a gang of angry women :p And yeah, I wasn't offended....but I can easily see how others far more sensitive than myself would be.
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K, so as a woman, can I suggest that Acongaua take a chill pill/midol? The boys said nothing offensive. The manner in which they suggested something wasn't offensive. You're reacting like some sort of crazy hippie bra burning feminist...which makes the world a hell of a lot harder for the rest of us. She's puking. She has a vagina. She's in the BC. She could be sick from nasty little bug, or she could be preggers. Who's to say from the vague explanation she gave? Gosh, some chicks!!! (not the OP...I get kinda pissy when someone says "oh, mebbe yer preggers!" cause for a half second i'm like "hmmmm...oh shit")
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carabiner96 wrote: K, so as a woman, can I suggest that Acongaua take a chill pill/midol? The boys said nothing offensive. The manner in which they suggested something wasn't offensive. You're reacting like some sort of crazy hippie bra burning feminist...which makes the world a hell of a lot harder for the rest of us. She's puking. She has a vagina. She's in the BC. She could be sick from nasty little bug, or she could be preggers. Who's to say from the vague explanation she gave? Gosh, some chicks!!! (not the OP...I get kinda pissy when someone says "oh, mebbe yer preggers!" cause for a half second i'm like "hmmmm...oh shit") The last time I checked, the Leap was not in the backcountry. The history provided to us in the origional post was almost useless for a proper diagnosis. Can we now let this thread die in peace?
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Oct 25, 2007, 6:59 PM
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But I just started to have fun...
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acacongua
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carabiner96 wrote: K, so as a woman, can I suggest that Acongaua take a chill pill/midol? So midol works for you? Thanks, DesertWanderer - you got the point accomplished.
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This is shaping up to become quite the battle. Think I'll check back on this later after gouging my own eyes out with a rusty coat hanger.
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acacongua wrote: carabiner96 wrote: K, so as a woman, can I suggest that Acongaua take a chill pill/midol? So midol works for you? Thanks, DesertWanderer - you got the point accomplished. More psychological that anything. I find whiskey works best.
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From working with nurses over three summers in a large government clinic (for government workers), I have to add that every female patient very early on is asked if they are pregnant without even knowing the symptoms. And if any of the symptoms are nausea dizziness etc. that last longer than a week, pregnancy becomes the number one suspect. I've heard numerous female patients complain that they are being "accused" of being pregnant. Perhaps pissed or embarrassed because it insinuates a behavior that preceded it. But you know what, the doctors ended up being correct many more times than those who complained otherwise. From a doctor's standpoint, it happens so often, that he/she would be negligent not to thoroughly probe the issue. Do women get pissed off anyway? Some do. Is the doctor professional. From my experience, Yes. So give your doctor the benefit of the doubt. An answer of "no" to "Are you pregnant?", is not sufficient enough to end the issue; if you haven't had this experience already.
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bent_gate wrote: From working with nurses over three summers in a large government clinic (for government workers), I have to add that every female patient very early on is asked if they are pregnant without even knowing the symptoms. And if any of the symptoms are nausea dizziness etc. that last longer than a week, pregnancy becomes the number one suspect. I've heard numerous female patients complain that they are being "accused" of being pregnant. Perhaps pissed or embarrassed because it insinuates a behavior that preceded it. But you know what, the doctors ended up being correct many more times than those who complained otherwise. From a doctor's standpoint, it happens so often, that he/she would be negligent not to thoroughly probe the issue. Do women get pissed off anyway? Some do. Is the doctor professional. From my experience, Yes. So give your doctor the benefit of the doubt. An answer of "no" to "Are you pregnant?", is not sufficient enough to end the issue; if you haven't had this experience already. Right on my friend, right on. You too biner - you said it perfectly. :)
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bent_gate wrote: From working with nurses over three summers in a large government clinic (for government workers), I have to add that every female patient very early on is asked if they are pregnant without even knowing the symptoms. And if any of the symptoms are nausea dizziness etc. that last longer than a week, pregnancy becomes the number one suspect. I've heard numerous female patients complain that they are being "accused" of being pregnant. Perhaps pissed or embarrassed because it insinuates a behavior that preceded it. But you know what, the doctors ended up being correct many more times than those who complained otherwise. From a doctor's standpoint, it happens so often, that he/she would be negligent not to thoroughly probe the issue. Do women get pissed off anyway? Some do. Is the doctor professional. From my experience, Yes. So give your doctor the benefit of the doubt. An answer of "no" to "Are you pregnant?", is not sufficient enough to end the issue; if you haven't had this experience already. yes it's a valid question, but delivery is everything. talking about getting knocked up in the backcountry is way different than presenting the pregnancy question in a mature matter. I believe this is what the OP an other women are getting at. there have been serveral complaints over the maturity of users in the ladies room. We're just asking users to be mature in their comments and posts.
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I don't know if we're reading different threads, but I don't see anyone saying she may have gotten "knocked up". Everyone used proper medical terms. Seems as though there isn't a happy medium in ladies room moderation, eh?
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worlds collided and posts were edited.... The original remarks were definitely stupid boy crap. Not ALL of the remarks, and not all of the guys. Some of the guys got po'd because they felt included in the reprimand. They didn't say anything off, and were baffled as to why they were being (so they felt) singled out. Yet on the other hand, some of the guys who DID make off comments, remained obtuse even after the remark was pointed out. So - it's sort of funny, in a way. The innocent guys were like "Wha'd I do!?" and the non so innocent ones had the exact same reaction..... I have to laugh at just HOW badly a lot of guys don't get it, when a woman makes a statement. They simply cannot comprehend the language. Poor, poor guys....
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