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pinktricam
Oct 26, 2007, 2:19 AM
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jgloporto wrote: If you would like to make peace with your maker, please PM pinktricam. Actually, to be more precise, if you want to know how to make peace with your Maker, PM pinktricam. Carry on.
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desertwanderer81
Oct 26, 2007, 3:15 PM
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bent_gate wrote: From working with nurses over three summers in a large government clinic (for government workers), I have to add that every female patient very early on is asked if they are pregnant without even knowing the symptoms. And if any of the symptoms are nausea dizziness etc. that last longer than a week, pregnancy becomes the number one suspect. I've heard numerous female patients complain that they are being "accused" of being pregnant. Perhaps pissed or embarrassed because it insinuates a behavior that preceded it. But you know what, the doctors ended up being correct many more times than those who complained otherwise. From a doctor's standpoint, it happens so often, that he/she would be negligent not to thoroughly probe the issue. Do women get pissed off anyway? Some do. Is the doctor professional. From my experience, Yes. So give your doctor the benefit of the doubt. An answer of "no" to "Are you pregnant?", is not sufficient enough to end the issue; if you haven't had this experience already. oh oh oh! This was the number one complaint in college of the girls going to the student health clinic! The only thing is, they would go in with say.... a sprained ankle or flu like symptoms (no nausea at all) and the pregnancy question would always be first on their lips! I suppose in college you get a lot of girls who are.....naive and try to mask the symptoms or are just plain ignorant in our modern "moral" society.
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reno
Oct 26, 2007, 3:19 PM
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desertwanderer81 wrote: This was the number one complaint in college of the girls going to the student health clinic! The only thing is, they would go in with say.... a sprained ankle or flu like symptoms (no nausea at all) and the pregnancy question would always be first on their lips! That's because of several reasons, but the big one is that some medications are not safe to take if the woman is pregnant. Many prescription medications will cross the placenta and have negative effects on the fetal development (from mild birth defects to fetal death.)
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desertwanderer81
Oct 26, 2007, 3:24 PM
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reno wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: This was the number one complaint in college of the girls going to the student health clinic! The only thing is, they would go in with say.... a sprained ankle or flu like symptoms (no nausea at all) and the pregnancy question would always be first on their lips! That's because of several reasons, but the big one is that some medications are not safe to take if the woman is pregnant. Many prescription medications will cross the placenta and have negative effects on the fetal development (from mild birth defects to fetal death.) Hmmm, my friends made it out to be that this was more of trying to figure out if they were pregnant, but I suppose they could have been mistaken. We are engineers not doctors ;) Oh wait, some of them were biomedical engineers....oh well.
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reno
Oct 26, 2007, 4:43 PM
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Hmmm, my friends made it out to be that this was more of trying to figure out if they were pregnant, but I suppose they could have been mistaken. We are engineers not doctors ;) Uh, yeah. That's my point. The doctor WAS trying to figure out if she was pregnant, in order to facilitate better care. Look at it this way: Taking your example of a sprained ankle, there are two options for pain pills to relieve the discomfort. One pill costs $2.50 for a bottle of 20 pills, but is known to be harmful to a developing fetus. The other option costs $20 for a bottle of 20 pills, but is safe for the fetus. The other thing is that it is not uncommon for a woman to be in the early stages of pregnancy and not know it, yet it is those early stages where certain lifestyle choices (alcohol, smoking, drug use, etc.) can have a great impact on the fetus. Wouldn't most reasonable women want to know this, so as to make an informed choice?
In reply to: Oh wait, some of them were biomedical engineers....oh well. Yeah. Being a biomedical engineer is just the same as being a doctor. Right.
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desertwanderer81
Oct 26, 2007, 5:17 PM
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reno wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Hmmm, my friends made it out to be that this was more of trying to figure out if they were pregnant, but I suppose they could have been mistaken. We are engineers not doctors ;) Uh, yeah. That's my point. The doctor WAS trying to figure out if she was pregnant, in order to facilitate better care. Look at it this way: Taking your example of a sprained ankle, there are two options for pain pills to relieve the discomfort. One pill costs $2.50 for a bottle of 20 pills, but is known to be harmful to a developing fetus. The other option costs $20 for a bottle of 20 pills, but is safe for the fetus. The other thing is that it is not uncommon for a woman to be in the early stages of pregnancy and not know it, yet it is those early stages where certain lifestyle choices (alcohol, smoking, drug use, etc.) can have a great impact on the fetus. Wouldn't most reasonable women want to know this, so as to make an informed choice? In reply to: Oh wait, some of them were biomedical engineers....oh well. Yeah. Being a biomedical engineer is just the same as being a doctor. Right. The BME's are mostly pre-med students who can do math. Obviously not the same, but they are at least fairly knowlegable. And I spoke poorly, I was saying that the girls made it sound like the doctors believed the cause of their symptoms were from being pregnant. The sprained ankle was a little bit of an exaguration on my part, sorry, heh.
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lhwang
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Oh, yes, the pregnancy question. Asking a woman out of the blue if she's pregnant is rude. Maybe the woman is uncomfortable discussing her sexual habits (and pregnancy relates to that). Maybe she's self-conscious about her weight. It doesn't matter if you're a doctor or not (which by the way, none of the guys in this thread are). Even if you're a doctor, I'd say it is still rude to just flat out ask a woman if she's pregnant. I very rarely have women get upset with me when I ask them if they're pregnant. Why? Because I realize it's a sensitive issue for some people and I say something like "Now, I have to ask you a personal question. It's not because I'm trying to pry, but it will help me to give you the best medical care possible and this is just a routine question that I ask all women. Is there any chance you could be pregnant?" Again, it's not necessarily what you say, it's how you say it. Then again, you'd be surprised how often there's a 13-year old girl or a 48-year old woman or a nun who swears there is absolutely no chance she's pregnant because she's never had sex... and yet the pregnancy test comes back positive. Hmm. Anyway, a bit off-topic, but I do have a point. My point is that I don't get why it's so hard for some of the guys who were posting in this thread (especially given that it's in the Ladies Room) to see that some women might be a bit touchy about the whole pregnancy issue. biner, I'm sorry to hear that you're having such a difficult time in the world. I highly doubt that it's because of women like acacongua.
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reno
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lhwang wrote: I very rarely have women get upset with me when I ask them if they're pregnant. Why? Because I realize it's a sensitive issue for some people and I say something like "Now, I have to ask you a personal question. It's not because I'm trying to pry, but it will help me to give you the best medical care possible and this is just a routine question that I ask all women. Is there any chance you could be pregnant?" Again, it's not necessarily what you say, it's how you say it. Good approach to the topic. Bravo, ma'am.
In reply to: Then again, you'd be surprised how often there's a 13-year old girl or a 48-year old woman or a nun who swears there is absolutely no chance she's pregnant because she's never had sex... and yet the pregnancy test comes back positive. Hmm. I once helped deliver a baby back in my ambulance days in Atlanta. 16 year old girl gave birth, and we're waiting for the placenta to deliver. About now, the (now) Grandma said "That didn't come out of my daughter, did it?" To which my (female) paramedic partner said "Lady, it damn sure didn't come out of me!"
In reply to: My point is that I don't get why it's so hard for some of the guys who were posting in this thread (especially given that it's in the Ladies Room) to see that some women might be a bit touchy about the whole pregnancy issue. If I offended, I apologize. Didn't think I did, and wasn't trying to.
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jgloporto
Oct 26, 2007, 5:45 PM
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I am a doctor.
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bent_gate
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jgloporto wrote: I am a doctor. Of Love..........
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lhwang
Oct 26, 2007, 5:49 PM
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Not you, reno. No need to apologize.
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jgloporto
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bent_gate wrote: jgloporto wrote: I am a doctor. Of Love.......... That too, but that's besides the point.
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Oct 26, 2007, 7:49 PM
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hmmmm, just a few thoughts. this thread keep going's back and forth from good, on topic posts to WTF posts". Just a question for the guys who keep coming back to this thread with dumbass remarks................why? Obviously, you have nothing to add to the OP's original question. this is a highly moderated forum.......as stated many times. off topic posts will be removed and sent the the recycle bin keep your off topic stuff in community.
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jgloporto
Oct 26, 2007, 9:16 PM
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macherry wrote: hmmmm, just a few thoughts. this thread keep going's back and forth from good, on topic posts to WTF posts". Just a question for the guys who keep coming back to this thread with dumbass remarks................why? Obviously, you have nothing to add to the OP's original question. this is a highly moderated forum.......as stated many times. off topic posts will be removed and sent the the recycle bin keep your off topic stuff in community. I repeat, this thread should be moved to the less moderated forum "Alpine and Ice" where the main topic of the thread is relevant and is discussed with regularity (AMS, not the subsequent debate regarding the sensitivity required to discuss human reproduction).
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pinktricam
Oct 27, 2007, 3:55 AM
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jgloporto wrote: I repeat... Have patience, marge. He's an attorney. Aside from being a Pavlovian response with that ilk, he's usually paid to repeat.
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jgloporto
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pinktricam wrote: jgloporto wrote: I repeat... Have patience, marge. He's an attorney. Aside from being a Pavlovian response with that ilk, he's usually paid to repeat. Ilk? Ilk is where I draw the line, good sir. I have thrown down the gauntet. If you chuse to pic it up, ia ssure yuo, your questions regarding the after life wiill soon be answeresd.
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In reply to: jgloporto wrote: acacongua wrote: jgloporto wrote: Then can you tell me where the OP was "harrassed"? Just so we are clear, English is read left to right and top to bottom. Harassing means to irritate or torment. Apparently you weren't aware of the meaning, being as eminently cognizant of English as you appear. Declaring a woman is pregnant just because she's experiencing nausea in a jesting manner fits that description. She owes you appreciation for your concern, but not an apology for being offended, which she was - unless she is preg. However, most women I know rule out that possibility before taking concern of an illness. Wouldn't "first hand" experience teach you that? She didn't mention when the last time she menstruated was so I can't rule that out. She also didn't say one way or another that pregnancy wasn't a possibility (as you alluded to above). This "Ladies Room" we have to be extra polite rule should not apply here, because as I mentioned in my first post, this should be in the Alpine and Ice forum where this topic is frequently discussed... unless of course I've got it completely wrong and pregnancy is gender neutral and AMS affects only women. If that's the case, let me know, cause I'll happily get a script for the pill, pack my bags and head off to Karkoram. I'm done with this thread. See you somewhere near the 8,000 meter mark! Done yet?
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After reading this, I keep checking back in to see when the OP posts up to tell us that she was indeed pregnant. Or on the off chance that there was something else wrong, what it was. It's been 8 days since her last post, so I figure she's been to the Doc. So why the silence?
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imnotclever wrote: After reading this, I keep checking back in to see when the OP posts up to tell us that she was indeed pregnant. Or on the off chance that there was something else wrong, what it was. It's been 8 days since her last post, so I figure she's been to the Doc. So why the silence? Holy shit... I just reread this thread and apparently I attempted to duel PTC... must have been the xanex+scotch+flexeril combo but I have no recollection of that (and apparently that combo gets me in a dueling mood)... that's awesome!!!!!111! Everybody, everybody... go home and down some flexeril and xanex with some scotch and let me know what you guys come up with.
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tallgirl wrote: W I called my Doc, and will go for a check up...seems like the prudent thing to do. .
tallgirl wrote: thanks for standing up and putting a stop to the ridiculous responses (sexually based) to my query. it just confirms my sense that this site is full of guys who don't really climb rocks or care about other climbers but surf the women's room to get they're rocks off. If you guys were really climbers you'd have ethics and a deep sense of integrity. You should have some character, show us your character and integrity. What was the verdict? What did the doc say? Who's the daddy? I'll even do a pre-emptive apology for the 'Who's the daddy?' comment in a if-then statement. If you indeed are not pregnant then (and only then) am I sorry for assuming so. I hope your ailment was short and non-recurring.
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I'm to lazy to go back and read her post history but the possibility that she is a clever little troll has occured to me.
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I would be interested to see what was making her sick
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erisspirit wrote: I would be interested to see what was making her sick Probably some bad sushi... This thread represents minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Ever.
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jgloporto wrote: erisspirit wrote: I would be interested to see what was making her sick Probably some bad sushi... This thread represents minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Ever. And yet you keep coming back...and so do I for that matter.
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jgloporto wrote: erisspirit wrote: I would be interested to see what was making her sick Probably some bad sushi... This thread represents minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Ever. I'm at work... my minutes are already lost
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