I keep going back and forth between a real reply and just WTF?

wow..Just to set the record strait . I did not have my 13 year old son babysit 4 young children. That would not be fair to anyone.

Well, it's a stereotype and not a universal truth. Still...

Curt

Just because we're currently ignorant of what the equations are, doesn't mean they don't exist ;) It's the way the world works. Call it divine. Call it a beautiful coincidence. It's still how the world works.

And pure and simple, we didn't know what we were doing

No it's not. Nobody's thought that for a century or more. Heisenberg put Descartes in context. Yep, pure and simple, we didn't know what we were doing. The finance guys started believing a bunch of PhD's in math with social disorders and that same attitude. Someday I'll be able to write an equation. Horsecrap!

Think absent minded professor type. It's not a real insult, just the way some people are.

It's still a crutch though in our deterministic world. ...

I keep going back and forth between a real reply and just WTF?

Phenomenal! You actually believe that!
Way to reject a hundred years of science.

What Descartes did was a good step. You have added much several ways, and especially in taking the colours of thin plates into philosophical consideration. If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.

It IS an insult. What you are doing is no different than a guy explaining why women are too emotional to do ______, and then saying "I'm not being offensive. It's just the way "the majority" of you are.

It IS an insult. What you are doing is no different than a guy explaining why women are too emotional to do ______, and then saying "I'm not being offensive. It's just the way "the majority" of you are.

On average middle school girls start thinking that they are not as good as boys in math and science about two years before that starts to be true.

When the pubescent pressure to be well-liked kicks in, who can blame girls for effectively deciding to suck at math or be called "socially stupid" with a smile if they let on that perhaps they are good at it?

What sometimes no one tells you when you're 12 is that for most people to do well in any field, you need some good social skills. The person that is so brilliant that they get a pass on this may be fun to charicaturize, but as no one wants to work with them, I find that they are very rare on the job. ...

It IS an insult. What you are doing is no different than a guy explaining why women are too emotional to do ______, and then saying "I'm not being offensive. It's just the way "the majority" of you are.

On average middle school girls start thinking that they are not as good as boys in math and science about two years before that starts to be true.

When the pubescent pressure to be well-liked kicks in, who can blame girls for effectively deciding to suck at math or be called "socially stupid" with a smile if they let on that perhaps they are good at it?

What sometimes no one tells you when you're 12 is that for most people to do well in any field, you need some good social skills. The person that is so brilliant that they get a pass on this may be fun to charicaturize, but as no one wants to work with them, I find that they are very rare on the job.

The "cool" majors often pay little or no money. While this sounds nice when you are a teenage idealist, a lack of funds for many women means few choices when it comes to balancing personal aspirations with childcare.

I know that there are plenty of poor people who are happy, have free time, and have kids. But that does not change the simple fact that women have more options for equality when they make as much money as men. And as long as women are convinced of ideas like "the majority of engineers are socially stupid", tech firms, finance companies, etc. will keep on having their policy set and most of their dollars earned by men.

When I have traveled in other countries, I have found that they rarely share the american ideal where social supremecy is often bestowed upon the overtly non-intellectual.

Phenomenal! You actually believe that!
Way to reject a hundred years of science.

Wow, I'm sorry that I have offended. I did not mean to do that. But I think you're ready way to deep in what I'm trying to say (though what I have to say below could still be offensive to you and I could be digging myself deeper into a hole .....oh well).

I was just reflecting what I see in myself (an electrical engineer), my father (an electrical engineer), my older sister (a chemical engineer), most people I work with (electrical, mechanical and industrial engineers), most people that I went to school with (at the engineering university). Engineers think a lot, they are analytical (at least by job description). Sometimes we get so wrapped up in what's going on in our heads that we don't notice subilties going on around us. This doesn't happen all the time, but it seems to happen a lot.

I have comments about the social aspect of women in technical fields, but I don't want to get this thread any more off track. If you want to start another thread I'll be sure to participate. You can choose to be offended by what I said above, but remember, it's only my own observations and not gospel.

Einstien himself has admitted that his theories are not the penultimate answer but just a step in the right direction.


Uncertainty theory is just another step. It is our way of predicting what we don't understand fully. One day we will better understand sub-atomic mechanics and we will be able to do away with some aspects of the uncertainty theory. Never fully though because as I have said before, we are not omniscient.

haha, thanks for pointing that out. I always thought that the word meant "the final answer".

I guess I just took it up from context.

Interesting enough, for years I confused condoned and condemned.

would this be the wrong place to talk about engineers and verbal skills?

Interestingly enough, my terrible spelling doesn't come from being an engineer. My brother who happens to be a brilliant writer tends to mispell things frequently too. We're both very well read usually puting away away a book a week or so.

My problems with confusing certain words tends to come from contexual confusions. Like condone, is nearly always in a negative context. My own confusion with penultimate stems from it being used wrong frequently.

Rmsusa, out of curiosity I wouldn't mind having an explanation for exactly how/why quantum mechanics disproves determinism?

How exactly do you "prove" that something is truly random, as opposed to said randomness being something you just don't understand yet (because of measurement limitations, etc)?

One could no more “prove” that randomness does not exists than one could “prove” god not exists. You’re in good company, Einstein was famously quoted as saying “God does not play dice with the universe”. He was wrong, you are wrong, but you’re in good company.

Proof please that it is actual randomness and not the illusion of randomness ;)