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angry
Nov 7, 2008, 6:09 PM
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chossmonkey wrote: Parkerkat wrote: F Go have fun Meatbombs!....and glad to know Idon't have to share our poser sport crags with ya! Did someone say mEATBOMBS????!!!!!!!11!11!! 
Wooo
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angry
Nov 7, 2008, 6:14 PM
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francis fail
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onceahardman
Nov 7, 2008, 6:28 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: sadly I'd have to say, you really don't know where to go then! What idiots.. you lable a piece of land bigger then most states with one thought..that allt he crags suck! Do you really care about climbing at all? If you did, you do one simple thing: Buy a FUCKING GUIDE BOOK AND RESEARCH!.... sure, ontario is no Boulder CO, but it definitely has good crags, and not all of them are filled with Noobs... No I didnt get you comment originally.. I thought perhaps there was someone with a little sense here... Seems I was most definitely mistaken!
You know, parker, when you find yourself in a hole, the first course of action is...stop digging.
That said, while there are good quality crags in S Ontario, (and I've climbed at most of them, including some you've never visited) if you are talking limestone, south of the Bruce Peninsula, at best, the quality is only fair. Only the Lion's Head/Cape Croker area is truly excellent quality.
I've been climbing up there >30 years, and probably put up some of the routes you do now. I don't know how many faces I toproped, only to come back years later, and see the same face with bolts every 5 feet, and with somebody else's name on it in the guidebook. Especially at Mt. Nemo.
Do everybody a favor. Take a break for a while, go visit Angry's crags in Colorado, got to Yosemite/Tuolumne, hell, go to the Gunks. Learn something about what world-class climbing is. Learn to respect those who did more difficult climbs than you, 30, 40, years ago. Then you will have the depth of knowledge (humility) to state your opinion with more validity.
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camhead
Nov 7, 2008, 6:30 PM
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oh noez!
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 7, 2008, 6:31 PM
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onceahardman wrote: Do everybody a favor. Take a break for a while, go visit Angry's crags in Colorado, got to Yosemite/Tuolumne, hell, go to the Gunks.
What is your crag Angry?
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angry
Nov 7, 2008, 6:44 PM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: onceahardman wrote: Do everybody a favor. Take a break for a while, go visit Angry's crags in Colorado, got to Yosemite/Tuolumne, hell, go to the Gunks. What is your crag Angry?
'merica
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 7, 2008, 7:01 PM
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Have you ever climbed any of that granite between Salida and Canon City? Kind of North of Texas Creek. Looks like that is the best way over the river from what I can tell anyways.
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granite_grrl
Nov 7, 2008, 7:10 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: sadly I'd have to say, you really don't know where to go then! What idiots.. you lable a piece of land bigger then most states with one thought..that allt he crags suck! Do you really care about climbing at all? If you did, you do one simple thing: Buy a FUCKING GUIDE BOOK AND RESEARCH!.... sure, ontario is no Boulder CO, but it definitely has good crags, and not all of them are filled with Noobs... No I didnt get you comment originally.. I thought perhaps there was someone with a little sense here... Seems I was most definitely mistaken!
Your ironing is thick.
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Parkerkat
Nov 7, 2008, 7:15 PM
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Hey Angry!
"trying to tell you what?"
I'm trying to tell you any damd thing I want to.. and you know what your going to do? You're going to read each and every word of it..possible out load to your self.. then your going to put that snicker I assume you have on your face, and then you're going to take the time to respond to me...because I'm that important, and you can't handle NOT having the last word.
XO
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Parkerkat
Nov 7, 2008, 7:20 PM
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You medal is in the mail...
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Parkerkat
Nov 7, 2008, 7:22 PM
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That was not the original thought behind this thread... the original thought was that trad climbers had a shit attitude when it comes to sport and often have a holier then thou frame of mind...that Trad is the only climbing that should exist... and judging by the responses... it would appear to be a correct assessment..
Both are different but equally valid in their own right.. something that its seems many have missed..
that said, the attitude of many trad supporters here makes me feel good knowing I'll stay far far away from it...
This thread was not regarding the ethics of bolting trad routes.
Cheers
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Parkerkat
Nov 7, 2008, 7:28 PM
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In hopes you will take this in the spirit of debate, I ask you to read back a little at where this started..
My original comment If memory serves me correctly was that both styles have their place... and was immediately called all sort of bad things, and had no one comment back in a clean and curteous manner.. I do have respect for anyone who loves climbing and can conduct a debate/thread with some form of intelligence and tact.. your comment was perfect.. no explatives, and no assumptions...except that I do not respect great climber and that you know where I've been. Not true.. .I respect great climbers.. but being a great climber does not entitle you to respect.. because ANGRY has a 13a on his tick list, does not excuse his point or make him valid.
To anyone in Ontario, Mount Nemo is the last place we go...there are plenty of hidden crags, and out of the way walls one can choose that have no large groups cluttering them up. Again, This is not the mother land, but does that immediately disqualify someone from voicing an opinion?
Cheers
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Arrogant_Bastard
Nov 7, 2008, 7:36 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: That was not the original thought behind this thread... the original thought was that trad climbers had a shit attitude when it comes to sport and often have a holier then thou frame of mind...that Trad is the only climbing that should exist... and judging by the responses... it would appear to be a correct assessment..
The original thought was a drunken rant that even the OP admitted was off kilter and in poor taste. His assessment of Trad climbers being holier than thou came, ironically enough, in a very holier than thou attitude. Adding in that he wishes all cracks were bolted and that all of us trad climber die by some spontaneous combustion of our cams.
Trad climbers look down on Sportos for having no balls, Sportos look down on Trad climbers for not pulling hard enough. Boulderers are ghey. It all evens out. People are going to crack jokes at anyone who's different regardless. Most of it is in good fun, don't take it so fucking personal.
I do not, however, see the bolting of a crack as open for debate. If the rock is good there's no need. As someone said, it can be safer than sport clipping, as you can place as much pro as you want. This part of the thread is a legitimate argument, IMHO. All else is just typical genre pissing. Carry on.
Parkerkat wrote: That said, the attitude of many trad supporters here makes me feel good knowing I'll stay far far away from it...
If you're going to take the attitude of anybody on here and apply a generalization across a spectrum of people in real life then don't blame us for your own foolishness. Again, don't take it so fucking personal.
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justroberto
Nov 7, 2008, 7:37 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: ...but I'd rather climb a 12+ sport then waste time on an 11- trad..
Interesting. Your profile says you lead up to 11a sport. It sounds like you'd actually be wasting your time on any 12+ route.
(This post was edited by justroberto on Nov 7, 2008, 7:37 PM)
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chossmonkey
Nov 7, 2008, 7:46 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: That was not the original thought behind this thread... the original thought was that trad climbers had a shit attitude when it comes to sport and often have a holier then thou frame of mind...that Trad is the only climbing that should exist... and judging by the responses... it would appear to be a correct assessment..
Of course you are going to think that, you think bouldering is real climbing.
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chossmonkey
Nov 7, 2008, 7:50 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: In hopes you will take this in the spirit of debate, I ask you to read back a little at where this started..
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Parkerkat
Nov 7, 2008, 7:52 PM
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My Sincere apologies that English is not my first language! Does that make me a shit climber too?
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chossmonkey
Nov 7, 2008, 8:28 PM
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Parkerkat wrote: My Sincere apologies that English is not my first language! Does that make me a shit climber too?
To much pebble wrestling makes you a shit climber, well it makes you a pebble wrestler.
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onceahardman
Nov 7, 2008, 8:41 PM
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In reply to: Mount Nemo is the last place we go
Ok, Parker, where IS the FIRST place you go? I know all the crags, and as I said, I've climbed on ones I'm sure you haven't, on private land (by invitation), and on now-closed crags that were closed before you were born. I'd really like to know. According to your difficulty level, there is little for you to do at Lion's Head.
You say you respect great climbers. But your style/ethics show otherwise. Read an essay: "The Murder of the Impossible", by Reinhold Messner.
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