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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 12:42 AM
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WTF, why you want to impose your views on someone else? I don't ask you to climb sport. Why the fuck do you think you should be telling others what to do. (in reference to Ken Nichols and his faithful follower on RC.com, Piton) Seems to me that you suck at climbing faces so you find no use for bolts, which is fine for you, but keep it that way,... to yourself. BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. I would love to be able to climb cracks that were bolted, but you fucks have to make it just one more thing that is elitist, I hope BD fucks up and kills you all with a hellacious defect or some shit.
One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack.
edited to correct drunken tirade 
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tomtom
Nov 5, 2008, 12:48 AM
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T1
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irregularpanda
Nov 5, 2008, 12:48 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack.
You fail at whining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxGGyVklPHg
By the way, If you want to climb trad, maybe you should use someone's rack who is elitist enough to already own one.
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 12:50 AM
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That video is awesome. Thank You, very very very much
Oh yeah, I don't want to climb trad near as much as I want to climb cracks. I could care less how I'm protecting myself, so long as it's solid, I just want to climb different types of rock.
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irregularpanda
Nov 5, 2008, 12:57 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: I could care less how I'm protecting myself, so long as it's solid, I just want to climb different types of rock.
That's cool, just don't bolt the crack. It's not about "you can't afford this, it's how much money you have"
It's more about preserving the rock in it's natural state if at all possible.
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highmountain
Nov 5, 2008, 12:59 AM
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trad climbers have a right to be elitist.
any idiot can learn to climb sport and if they fall it's usually not that serious. BUT when you're climbing trad you actually have to use your brain and it's easier to take a bad fall on gear.
just suck it up and buy a rack
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irregularpanda
Nov 5, 2008, 1:03 AM
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Thanks, all I need now is his credit card information so I can go buy a rack. 
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MykeDronez
Nov 5, 2008, 1:09 AM
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Like Johnny Cash says- one piece at a time. Till then, just run it out you puss.
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 1:09 AM
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No one has a right to be elitist.... I agree with the idea of preserving the rock in it's natural state, but couldn't we just create better guidelines/standards for bolting? Paint the hangers to match, use glue-in's, use existing holes whenever possible... I understand the need for preservation, especially with particularly chossy areas. Garden of The Gods in Colorado Springs is a good example of bolting gone bad. The rock is mangled in spots. I understand prohibiting bolting in areas like this. There are however lots of areas with very solid rock where if you put painted hangers/glue-ins in the rock, you wouldn't see them unless right next to them.
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 1:12 AM
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That is an old address. I live in the San Luis Valley now (Southern Colorado). I would love to climb sometime though, here, there, in between somewhere. Just let me know when/where.
edited to add: Whoa, I think I might have some trouble following what your leading though...
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angry
Nov 5, 2008, 1:14 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: No one has a right to be elitist.... I agree with the idea of preserving the rock in it's natural state, but couldn't we just create better guidelines/standards for bolting? Paint the hangers to match, use glue-in's, use existing holes whenever possible... I understand the need for preservation, especially with particularly chossy areas. Garden of The Gods in Colorado Springs is a good example of bolting gone bad. The rock is mangled in spots. I understand prohibiting bolting in areas like this. There are however lots of areas with very solid rock where if you put painted hangers/glue-ins in the rock, you wouldn't see them unless right next to them.
But if you ARE right next to them, the climb is tainted to ruined, even if you don't clip them.
Basically, it's commitment. Financial, time, effort, and yes risk. Adding bolts takes away from this, even if it doesn't change the route.
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happiegrrrl
Nov 5, 2008, 1:15 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: Oh yeah, I don't want to climb trad near as much as I want to climb cracks. I could care less how I'm protecting myself, so long as it's solid, I just want to climb different types of rock.
Try toproping then.
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macherry
Nov 5, 2008, 1:23 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: WTF, why you want to impose your views on someone else? I don't ask you to climb sport. Why the fuck do you think you should be telling others what to do. Seems to me that you suck at climbing faces so you find no use for bolts, which is fine for you, but keep it that way,... to yourself. BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. I would love to be able to climb cracks that were bolted, but you fucks have to make it just one more thing that is elitist, I hope BD fucks up and kills you all with a hellacious defect or some shit.  One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack.
oh for fucks sakes, stop being a whiny girl
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Nov 5, 2008, 1:23 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: WTF, why you want to impose your views on someone else? I don't ask you to climb sport. Why the fuck do you think you should be telling others what to do. Seems to me that you suck at climbing faces so you find no use for bolts, which is fine for you, but keep it that way,... to yourself. BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. I would love to be able to climb cracks that were bolted, but you fucks have to make it just one more thing that is elitist, I hope BD fucks up and kills you all with a hellacious defect or some shit. One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack.
I've tried to warn you all for months now, these^^ redneck hippies are some shady characters!!!!
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 1:24 AM
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happiegrrrl wrote: HappinessIsWinning wrote: Oh yeah, I don't want to climb trad near as much as I want to climb cracks. I could care less how I'm protecting myself, so long as it's solid, I just want to climb different types of rock. Try toproping then.
I do, but that can't always be done, I commonly find lines that you can't protect or TR, that would actually make great routes. Only thing stopping me is people who think trad climbing is the only way we should be able to climb. I am for equal access, if we have the technology to make climbing safer and more accessible to people then why not use it. Just because some dinosaur had to run his pieces out 20 feet doesn't mean I should have to. All the time on this forum people want to go and talk about "learn this/that from this/that accident/death" Why not take measures to make this sport as safe as possible?
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orangeclimb09
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I am broke as a joke, all my slings are made of 9/16 webbing and it has taken me years to put the little rack I do have in my ownership. I have borrowed everything at one point or another. People are usually more than happy to let you use a piece or two for a trip maybe more. clipping bolts just takes the adventure out of climbing, for me, not for all. give it a try. its a whole new world.
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mushroomsamba
Nov 5, 2008, 1:27 AM
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we're just better. deal with it loser 
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 1:28 AM
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macherry wrote: HappinessIsWinning wrote: WTF, why you want to impose your views on someone else? I don't ask you to climb sport. Why the fuck do you think you should be telling others what to do. Seems to me that you suck at climbing faces so you find no use for bolts, which is fine for you, but keep it that way,... to yourself. BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. I would love to be able to climb cracks that were bolted, but you fucks have to make it just one more thing that is elitist, I hope BD fucks up and kills you all with a hellacious defect or some shit. One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack. oh for fucks sakes, stop being a whiny girl
lol, that's pretty insightful. Do you have a bit more opinion to add. I would love to actually read what you think about this.
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hafilax
Nov 5, 2008, 1:32 AM
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Someone has rack envy.
I live under the poverty line and have a full rack. It's all about priorities. Steph Davis didn't make more than $7,000 in a year by the time she was 27 (according to her book).
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HappinessIsWinning
Nov 5, 2008, 1:37 AM
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irregularpanda wrote: HappinessIsWinning wrote: BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack. You fail at whining. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxGGyVklPHg By the way, If you want to climb trad, maybe you should use someone's rack who is elitist enough to already own one.
You gotta check this one out too: http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related
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Nov 5, 2008, 1:37 AM
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HappinessIsWinning wrote: WTF, why you want to impose your views on someone else? I don't ask you to climb sport. Why the fuck do you think you should be telling others what to do. Seems to me that you suck at climbing faces so you find no use for bolts, which is fine for you, but keep it that way,... to yourself. BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack. I would love to be able to climb cracks that were bolted, but you fucks have to make it just one more thing that is elitist, I hope BD fucks up and kills you all with a hellacious defect or some shit. One more thing, I am trying to get a trad rack together, the point is that there is no reason everyone should have to get a full rack in order to climb crack.
get job you bum
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