|
Parkerkat
Nov 6, 2008, 6:29 PM
Post #226 of 485
(1404 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 6, 2008
Posts: 263
|
YES! ..A WISE PHILOSOPHER FOR ALL CLIMBERS!
..anyone who has ever watched a climbing vid...or enjoys knowing about 5.15 accents is no longer a valid climber! ....how dare anyone watch and not do?
Fool.. you prove again the elitist mentality..and make this threads point justified...
ps..the belittling of sport climber comment was not directed specifically at you..which is hard to believe.. I know ...say it ain't so...
Its so!
|
|
|
|
|
sungam
Nov 6, 2008, 6:38 PM
Post #227 of 485
(1393 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jun 24, 2004
Posts: 26804
|
Making a point FAIL.
|
|
|
|
|
cracklover
Nov 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
Post #228 of 485
(1390 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 10162
|
zeke_sf wrote: I don't know which is more nauseating, the ignorant, drunken sportos or the self-righteous trad-tards deigning to brush off some bread crumbs of enlightenment... Especially Gabe.
Huh? What'd I do that was nauseating to you?
In reply to: Doesn't know who "caughtinside" is when he meets him, yet pretends to be an internet authority? Lame.
I think you're joking, but I'm not sure. Only thing I can tell for sure is that you didn't like my post.
G
|
|
|
|
|
jaablink
Nov 6, 2008, 6:45 PM
Post #229 of 485
(1380 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 1, 2004
Posts: 537
|
A little late but : Welcome to the USA… when will you be coming up to the northeast…. For some Gunks, Wallface, Spiderwall action. Or are you waiting for Ice season. Let me know and I will get some ice gear ready in your size…. Oh, and don’t get use to the grades in the red . It looked like you are headed for Looking Glass next, use that grading system better…
|
|
|
|
|
Arrogant_Bastard
Nov 6, 2008, 6:46 PM
Post #230 of 485
(1379 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Oct 31, 2007
Posts: 19994
|
zeke_sf wrote: Doesn't know who "caughtinside" is when he meets him...
Do do do do do Do do do Doo do
|
|
|
|
|
onceahardman
Nov 6, 2008, 6:46 PM
Post #231 of 485
(1377 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 3, 2007
Posts: 2493
|
In reply to: anyone who has ever watched a climbing vid...
Enjoy the new Wii game, maybe you can get to level 5 next time!
|
|
|
|
|
zeke_sf
Nov 6, 2008, 6:48 PM
Post #232 of 485
(1373 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 28, 2006
Posts: 18730
|
You've changed, Gabe. Used to be you would have been trolled into a maelstrom of entertaining anger. You must be happier in Coloradiego?
Nah. Not really serious at all on my part, and, yes, joking.
|
|
|
|
|
knieveltech
Nov 6, 2008, 7:02 PM
Post #233 of 485
(1352 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Dec 2, 2006
Posts: 1431
|
sungam wrote: knieveltech wrote: No extra Contra mans for you. WIN. Contra is the shizzle of my nizzle. Knieveltech is right. 3 extra lives for his code. ab ab select start gives infinite lives. This is for gheys. Contra is win every time in the multi player spectrum. Hands down. Zelda wins 1 player.
Snap!! That's what I'm talking about right there and this dude isn't even 20. The rest of you have no excuse.
Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays!
|
|
|
|
|
Arrogant_Bastard
Nov 6, 2008, 7:06 PM
Post #234 of 485
(1341 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Oct 31, 2007
Posts: 19994
|
knieveltech wrote: sungam wrote: knieveltech wrote: No extra Contra mans for you. WIN. Contra is the shizzle of my nizzle. Knieveltech is right. 3 extra lives for his code. ab ab select start gives infinite lives. This is for gheys. Contra is win every time in the multi player spectrum. Hands down. Zelda wins 1 player. Snap!! That's what I'm talking about right there and this dude isn't even 20. The rest of you have no excuse. Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays!
Well, I'm sure that Sungam is an active member of ContraForums.com, ZeldaForums.com, and UpUpDownDownLeftRightABSelectStartForums.com. The rest of us let that fade out a decade ago.
|
|
|
|
|
Arrogant_Bastard
Nov 6, 2008, 7:06 PM
Post #235 of 485
(1338 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Oct 31, 2007
Posts: 19994
|
knieveltech wrote: Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays!
I believe that 15k is the new 1k.
|
|
|
|
|
zeke_sf
Nov 6, 2008, 7:08 PM
Post #236 of 485
(1331 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 28, 2006
Posts: 18730
|
Arrogant_Bastard wrote: knieveltech wrote: Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays! I believe that 15k is the new 1k.
Damz!
|
|
|
|
|
knieveltech
Nov 6, 2008, 7:09 PM
Post #237 of 485
(1330 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Dec 2, 2006
Posts: 1431
|
Arrogant_Bastard wrote: knieveltech wrote: Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays! I believe that 15k is the new 1k.
Fuck that. Someone already tried to up the bar to 2k last week. Besides shoe thread posts should be the true metric of n00bness on here and I haven't posted a shoe thread in at least a year.
|
|
|
|
|
jaablink
Nov 6, 2008, 7:33 PM
Post #239 of 485
(1289 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 1, 2004
Posts: 537
|
Where I live. Mid Jan. to late Feb depends on the year. But sooner and later up north. I just got new axes too :D ... and the tree out back is full of holes and leaking… you pick where you want to climb. Let me know and I will get you there. I have a huge house we can hub from…
|
|
|
|
|
majid_sabet
Nov 6, 2008, 7:36 PM
Post #240 of 485
(1288 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Dec 13, 2002
Posts: 8390
|
OP In reply to: Read the whole thread. I even posted an accident count from this year showing there are more accidents from climbing trad
That is true however you keep forgetting that sport climbers climb in a safer and fixed environment because everything already has been fixed ahead of time and the only thing they do is to pull their draws off their harnesses and clip it to the fixed hanger. This sort of climbing is as good as climbing in a gym except, you are not climbing with plastic but using the real rock.
Trad climbers do everything from point zero and work their way up and of course, they eventually expose themselves to higher risks than other climbers .
|
|
|
|
|
jaablink
Nov 6, 2008, 7:39 PM
Post #241 of 485
(1285 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 1, 2004
Posts: 537
|
Oh I forgot to say I will be at Red Rocks ,Nevada with the girl from Christmas to the 5th of Jan. she got us the trip for my B-day gift…so after that or before that to climb some rock…
and
|
|
|
|
|
sungam
Nov 6, 2008, 7:45 PM
Post #242 of 485
(1282 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jun 24, 2004
Posts: 26804
|
majid_sabet wrote: Trad climbers do everything from point zero and work their way up
Trad climbers can't pretend that they aren't buying into the sterilization of climbing to some extent.
New gear, ridiculously details topos, bolted anchors, sticking to well-trodden routes in easily accessible areas.
It's just that trad climbing is far less sterile then sport climbing is.
It's why climbing is so good. There's the aesthetic physical movement over the rock, the balance, flexibility, tactics and technique, and the mental aspects (fear, risk assesment etc). Sport climbing concentrates on the first few points, and this is fun, but trad climbing (at the sacrifice of a small amount of the first few) also incorporates the mental aspects as well.
Personally i find that most of the time I want an adventure. Or at least more of an adventure then I'd get from sport climbing, so I go trad climbing. When I can I get on something even longer, maybe earning the tag of "alpine" climbing. Who knows?
Toproping is fun, too, but too sterile most of the time.
I'm not gunna pretend I've never been scared on TR. Sometimes positions (exposure etc.) are just scary - but this is just irrational fear, which you can do nothing with but push aside. Trad bring up fears that work as advisors, helping to make decisions quickly (though sometimes causing you to rush them, but there's experiance) and hopefully correctly.
I'm done rambling. Argue on.
|
|
|
|
|
Arrogant_Bastard
Nov 6, 2008, 7:55 PM
Post #243 of 485
(1272 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Oct 31, 2007
Posts: 19994
|
knieveltech wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: knieveltech wrote: Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays! I believe that 15k is the new 1k. Fuck that. Someone already tried to up the bar to 2k last week. Besides shoe thread posts should be the true metric of n00bness on here and I haven't posted a shoe thread in at least a year.
Now that you mention it, we are due for a what rope should I get thread.
|
|
|
|
|
Johnny_Fang
Nov 6, 2008, 7:56 PM
Post #244 of 485
(1270 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 19, 2006
Posts: 289
|
sungam wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Trad climbers do everything from point zero and work their way up To an extent. Trad climbers can't pretend that they aren't buying into the sterilization of climbing to some extent. New gear, ridiculously details topos, bolted anchors, sticking to well-trodden routes in easily accessible areas. It's just that trad climbing is far less sterile then sport climbing is. It's why climbing is so good. There's the aesthetic physical movement over the rock, the balance, flexibility, tactics and technique, and the mental aspects (fear, risk assesment etc). Sport climbing concentrates on the first few points, and this is fun, but trad climbing (at the sacrifice of a small amount of the first few) also incorporates the mental aspects as well. Personally i find that most of the time I want an adventure. Or at least more of an adventure then I'd get from sport climbing, so I go trad climbing. When I can I get on something even longer, maybe earning the tag of "alpine" climbing. Who knows? Toproping is fun, too, but too sterile most of the time. I'm not gunna pretend I've never been scared on TR. Sometimes positions (exposure etc.) are just scary - but this is just irrational fear, which you can do nothing with but push aside. Trad bring up fears that work as advisors, helping to make decisions quickly (though sometimes causing you to rush them, but there's experiance) and hopefully correctly. I'm done rambling. Argue on.
uh oh. you're making distinctions and pointing out gray areas on rc.dogma. you're gonna get flamed for sure.
|
|
|
|
|
jaablink
Nov 6, 2008, 7:56 PM
Post #245 of 485
(1270 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 1, 2004
Posts: 537
|
hahahahaha... the blue one... pick the blue one....
|
|
|
|
|
majid_sabet
Nov 6, 2008, 7:59 PM
Post #246 of 485
(1266 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Dec 13, 2002
Posts: 8390
|
sungam wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Trad climbers do everything from point zero and work their way up To an extent. Trad climbers can't pretend that they aren't buying into the sterilization of climbing to some extent. New gear, ridiculously details topos, bolted anchors, sticking to well-trodden routes in easily accessible areas. It's just that trad climbing is far less sterile then sport climbing is. It's why climbing is so good. There's the aesthetic physical movement over the rock, the balance, flexibility, tactics and technique, and the mental aspects (fear, risk assesment etc). Sport climbing concentrates on the first few points, and this is fun, but trad climbing (at the sacrifice of a small amount of the first few) also incorporates the mental aspects as well. Personally i find that most of the time I want an adventure. Or at least more of an adventure then I'd get from sport climbing, so I go trad climbing. When I can I get on something even longer, maybe earning the tag of "alpine" climbing. Who knows? Toproping is fun, too, but too sterile most of the time. I'm not gunna pretend I've never been scared on TR. Sometimes positions (exposure etc.) are just scary - but this is just irrational fear, which you can do nothing with but push aside. Trad bring up fears that work as advisors, helping to make decisions quickly (though sometimes causing you to rush them, but there's experiance) and hopefully correctly. I'm done rambling. Argue on.
If we do a statistic on what parentage of sport climber prefer to fall on their fixed hanger vs. trad climber who hate to even think about falling, I bet, sport climber fall more often on their protection cause they have this sense of super fixed security. On the other hand, Trad climber think 50 times on what to choose or where to place their artificial gear cause they can not predict what may happen next if they decide to let go of their grip.
|
|
|
|
|
knieveltech
Nov 6, 2008, 8:15 PM
Post #247 of 485
(1255 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Dec 2, 2006
Posts: 1431
|
Arrogant_Bastard wrote: knieveltech wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: knieveltech wrote: Oh shit, I just noticed I busted 1k PC. Yays! I believe that 15k is the new 1k. Fuck that. Someone already tried to up the bar to 2k last week. Besides shoe thread posts should be the true metric of n00bness on here and I haven't posted a shoe thread in at least a year. Now that you mention it, we are due for a what rope should I get thread.
Took care of that for you.
|
|
|
|
|
cracklover
Nov 6, 2008, 8:24 PM
Post #248 of 485
(1252 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 10162
|
HappinessIsWinning wrote: cracklover wrote: Skipping the first drunken post, since you've claimed you didn't mean it, here are a few other things you might want to "clarify". HappinessIsWinning wrote: No one has a right to be elitist.... Bullshit. The elite are better than you and me in some very real ways, and they deserve respect.
You are on a different page very clearly. I am referring to an attitude, not a skill level. Elitist, in reference to my post and Wikipedia, can/does mean: "The implication is that the "elitist" person or group thinks they are better than everyone else, and therefore put themselves before others. It could be seen as a synonym for snob. An elitist is not always seen as truly elite, but only privileged." I would love to learn from an elite climber, whereas I could care less if they are acting elitist.
I fully understand that elitism is an attitude. The point you don't get is that attitude is backed up by something real. It's not poserdom - it's a well earned respect. You say you would love to learn from an elite climber, but that's never going to happen unless you either pay them $$ for their time, or learn to respect their skills, attitudes, and accomplishments, and work your ass off to be a worthy partner. What looks to you like snobbery looks to me like a spoiled brat who's not willing or able to understand how his own lack of skill and knowledge is coloring his world view.
GO
|
|
|
|
|
TJGoSurf
Nov 6, 2008, 8:26 PM
Post #249 of 485
(1249 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jul 17, 2008
Posts: 280
|
I've led a few trad routes with other peoples gear and I can only say this. You guys are far braver than I am. I will follow anyone but I just don't feel confident enough to lead anything more than a 5.8 trad.
|
|
|
|
|
cracklover
Nov 6, 2008, 8:29 PM
Post #250 of 485
(1246 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 10162
|
HIW wrote: Gabe wrote: HIW wrote: I agree with the idea of preserving the rock in it's natural state No you don't.
Wow, what an impressive comeback! Look, your whole argument is predicated on the idea that climbing should be made "safe enough" by the addition of sufficient fixed hardware. That argument is entirely antithetical to the mindset of a preservationist. Therefore your claim to be a preservationist as it regards fixed gear on routes is total and complete BS.
You following along yet?
GO
|
|
|
|
|
|
Everything was packed around them. 
