Joy Division
Choking Victim
Crass
Minor Threat
DOA
Operation Ivy
NOFX
Satanic Surfers
L7 (Donita Sparks was punk as all fuck)
Agnostic Front
Black Flag
Antiflag
White Flag
Pennywise
Buzzcocks
Dead Kennedys
Voodoo Glow Skulls
Face to Face
Sick of it All
No Use For A Name
The Misfits
Wizo
Propagandhi
Face to Face
Guttermouth
The Vandals
The Queers
Fugazi
Me First and the Gimme Gimmes

Thread ressurect much?

How 'bout SUBLIME and DROPKICK MURPHYs

Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk

Sublime (311 should be here as well)
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311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though.


Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk.

No. It's definitely Mainstream Ska punk-like. I'll call it skalunk.

I am pretty sure that 311 is skalunk as well.

Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed?

I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well.

The 70's were the early years. The distinct genres of punk did not exist then and we are kind of retroactively grouping bands if we go back that far. Minor Threat is hardcore because they shaved their heads? Pioneers, yes, but hard to put them in a genre when the genre barely existed at that point and the band only existed for less than 3 years.

While I am not a fan, we should probably then have an Emo catogory since that is also derived from the same 70's punk rock roots. Embrace was an early emo band and formed by Ian MacKaye from Minor Threat.

I would put Texas Is The Reason as best in that class with Embrace getting honorable mention.

1) I've always been curious, but I did not see the movie on that basis. I mean, the list of hardcore bands that debuted at CBGB's alone is ten times longer than all the bands to come out DC and LA combined (no offense). If we include Long Island and North Jersey in that NYCHC catagory, that's probably 90% of all the hardcore music ever made.

3) Thrash/Death Core homages to hardcore does in deed kick ass. I hate to say it, but I kind of like Slayer in general.

You should see it. I think the reason it tends to give short shrift to NYC is because it focuses a lot on the formation of the hardcore scene and its fairly short-lived existence in most places. NYC seems to be the anomaly -- started late, but stuck around. If the NYC bands got to debut at CBGB's, sounds like they had it easy ... the documentary has some great footage of the early hardcore "shows" that were organized in a day or two and would take place at whatever abandoned building could be found.

Slayer is good. But I like a lot of metal, as well as various "indie" (for lack of a better term) bands that you'd probably refer to as pussy music.

Ska preceeded reggae with reggae basically evolving from ska. Ska punk evolved from that so reggae and ska are tough to separate into different catagories.

I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands.

A message to you Rudy:

Op Ivy is the definition of 2 Tone Ska Punk. I think if you looked up Ska Punk in Websters you'd see a picture of Tim Armstrong, checkered tights, hat, braces, doc martins and all... maybe I just omitted the "punk" part of "ska punk" because clearly we are not talking about true ska which is mostly carribean music from the 50's.

Here is a rule of thumb, if you see black and white themed images and hear horns, it's ska related.



Now, I was basing my list on the bands named in this thread. This catagory should include such names as the Clash and the Specials.