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GAD I can't believe i forgot Dayglo Abortions and Screaching Weasel OLD killing Joke I could go on and on, but I'm going to listen to some tunes
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macherry
Feb 26, 2006, 3:20 AM
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don't know if anyone has mentioned snfu buzzcocks 999 deja voodoo
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anykineclimb
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ah Dayglo Abortions! brings back some good memories there Snoopy, I figured I was gonna forget some stuff. DK, definately. I LOVE Flogging Molly although I don't consider them a punk band
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Joy Division Choking Victim Crass Minor Threat DOA Operation Ivy NOFX Satanic Surfers L7 (Donita Sparks was punk as all fuck) Agnostic Front Black Flag Antiflag White Flag Pennywise Buzzcocks Dead Kennedys Voodoo Glow Skulls Face to Face Sick of it All No Use For A Name The Misfits Wizo Propagandhi Face to Face Guttermouth The Vandals The Queers Fugazi Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
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bizarrodrinker
Feb 26, 2007, 1:13 PM
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OP IVY, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Rancid.
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krillen
Feb 26, 2007, 2:27 PM
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fiend wrote: Joy Division Choking Victim Crass Minor Threat DOA Operation Ivy NOFX Satanic Surfers L7 (Donita Sparks was punk as all fuck) Agnostic Front Black Flag Antiflag White Flag Pennywise Buzzcocks Dead Kennedys Voodoo Glow Skulls Face to Face Sick of it All No Use For A Name The Misfits Wizo Propagandhi Face to Face Guttermouth The Vandals The Queers Fugazi Me First and the Gimme Gimmes Thread ressurect much?
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jgloporto
Feb 26, 2007, 4:50 PM
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krillen wrote: Thread ressurect much? This is as good a topic as I've seen on here in while. Some noteworthy's have been mentioned so far but I must add: Agnostic Front Demise Warzone Madball H20 Murphy's Law Gorilla Biscuits Silent Majority Subzero and, while they weren't around for long, Mouthpiece.
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bizarrodrinker
Feb 26, 2007, 5:00 PM
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How 'bout SUBLIME and DROPKICK MURPHYs
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brent_e
Feb 26, 2007, 5:54 PM
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No means No.
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jgloporto
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bizarrodrinker wrote: How 'bout SUBLIME and DROPKICK MURPHYs I think the problem with this thread (discussed somewhat in prior posts) is the lack of specificity regarding the various genres of punk rock. I would therefore propose some various broad based categories and I will include some suggestions of the best bands discussed in this thread in those categories: Traditional Punk Rock Minor Threat Honorable Mention to Black Flag, the Dead Kennedy’s and Social D Pop Punk The Queers (not my personal favorite, but I was dragged to see them play maybe 30 or 40 times). Honorable Mention to Screaching Weasel Ska Operation Ivy/Rancid (Though not mentioned in this thread thus far, the Scoflaws and Let’s Going Bowling should be mentioned here and I suspect that if there was a specific ska category they would have been). (I hate ska BTW). Socially Conscious Punk Bad Religion (Honorable Mention to Propoghandi except they are Canadian. Come on, I mean what is there to complain about in Canada…) Hardcore Agnostic Front (Honorable mention to Subzero since they have been around since the beginning and still play). (Non-NY bands that are mentionable on this thread: Good Riddance and Avail). Punk Rock For Irish People Who Like To Sing About Being Irish and Their Irishness and Fighting and Drinking Dropkick Murpheys Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) Mainstream Teeny Bop “I hate you mom and dad and because of that I painted my fingernails black” Punk-Like Bands My Chemical Romance I Want People to Like Me Because I Am Popular Punk-Like Bands Henry Rollins Band (Honorable Mention to the Offspring)
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jgloporto
Feb 26, 2007, 6:37 PM
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I forgot a catagory: I Am Not Sure What Punk Rock Is But Alice In Chains Rocks Alice In Chains Honorable Mention to David Bowie
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bizarrodrinker
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jgloporto wrote: Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) ) 311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though. Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk.
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jgloporto
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bizarrodrinker wrote: jgloporto wrote: Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) ) 311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though. Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk. No. It's definitely Mainstream Ska punk-like. I'll call it skalunk. I am pretty sure that 311 is skalunk as well.
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Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed? For traditional punk, I'd start opening it up to the Brits -- Clash, Sex Pistols, etc. A couple other categories: Oi! The Business. Cock Sparrer. American bands like the Street Dogs. Horror Punk Misfits No idea what it is, but it's definitely punk rock and kicks fucking ass The Exploited. Brit hardcore? Not sure how to define their sound.
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devils_advocate
Feb 26, 2007, 7:07 PM
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I can't believe 3 pages have gone by and not one mention of G.G. Allin. You guys suck. I also can't believe that someone had the audacity to mention The Offspring in a thread about punk. ...riiiiiight. Although they're not punk, Op Ivy kicks ass.
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bizarrodrinker
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jgloporto wrote: bizarrodrinker wrote: jgloporto wrote: Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) ) 311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though. Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk. No. It's definitely Mainstream Ska punk-like. I'll call it skalunk. I am pretty sure that 311 is skalunk as well. 311 is one of my long time favorite bands, and I am just saying that I personally wouldn't consider them to be a punk bank. I think you would be hard pressed to find any real fan that would. but I could be wrong. They always seemed to refer to themselves as a hip-hop reggae band. I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well.
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jgloporto
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snoopy138 wrote: Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed? The 70's were the early years. The distinct genres of punk did not exist then and we are kind of retroactively grouping bands if we go back that far. Minor Threat is hardcore because they shaved their heads? Pioneers, yes, but hard to put them in a genre when the genre barely existed at that point and the band only existed for less than 3 years. NYC Hardcore kind of went in its own direction anyway so its difficuly to include Warzone, AF and Minor Threat in the same catagory. I don't entirely disagree with you though. Perhaps further subdivision is necessary: Hardcore: Minor Threat (old school), Black Flag (old school), Avail (next generation), AFI (both old school and next generation oddly), Lifetime (next generation) NYC Style Hardcore (Not necessarily limited to NYC bands, e.g Detroit) AF, Negative Approach, Warzone, Cold As Life, Silent Majority While I am not a fan, we should probably then have an Emo catogory since that is also derived from the same 70's punk rock roots. Embrace was an early emo band and formed by Ian MacKaye from Minor Threat. I would put Texas Is The Reason as best in that class with Embrace getting honorable mention.
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jgloporto
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bizarrodrinker wrote: I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well. Ska preceeded reggae with reggae basically evolving from ska. Ska punk evolved from that so reggae and ska are tough to separate into different catagories.
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snoopy138
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jgloporto wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed? The 70's were the early years. The distinct genres of punk did not exist then and we are kind of retroactively grouping bands if we go back that far. Minor Threat is hardcore because they shaved their heads? Pioneers, yes, but hard to put them in a genre when the genre barely existed at that point and the band only existed for less than 3 years. Well, that's why I'd call the stuff from 70's traditional punk rock. Minor Threat isn't hardcore because they shaved their heads, they're hardcore because they were a huge influence in the hardcore scene. Out of curiousity, have you seen the documentary "American Hardcore"? Very interesting ... though you might see it as giving short shrift to the NYC scene as it focuses the most on the earlier (DC, LA) scenes.
jgloporto wrote: While I am not a fan, we should probably then have an Emo catogory since that is also derived from the same 70's punk rock roots. Embrace was an early emo band and formed by Ian MacKaye from Minor Threat. I would put Texas Is The Reason as best in that class with Embrace getting honorable mention. Never heard of Texas is the Reason, but I assume they took the name from the Misfits lyric? Lastly, I'd like to propose another category: Thrash metal band paying homage to hardcore with kickass cover album Slayer -- Undisputed Attitude. Kind of weird hearing Minor Threat songs that were produced in a studio.
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1) I've always been curious, but I did not see the movie on that basis. I mean, the list of hardcore bands that debuted at CBGB's alone is ten times longer than all the bands to come out DC and LA combined (no offense). If we include Long Island and North Jersey in that NYCHC catagory, that's probably 90% of all the hardcore music ever made. 2) Texas is the Reason is based on the lyrics to "Bullet." 3) Thrash/Death Core homages to hardcore does in deed kick ass. I hate to say it, but I kind of like Slayer in general. There should in fact be another catagory: Hardcore Music, That, While Recorded In A Studio Is Still Pretty Good Even Though I Probably Have Called Them Sell-Outs on Several Occassions Sick of It All Honorable Mention to Biohazard
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jgloporto wrote: 1) I've always been curious, but I did not see the movie on that basis. I mean, the list of hardcore bands that debuted at CBGB's alone is ten times longer than all the bands to come out DC and LA combined (no offense). If we include Long Island and North Jersey in that NYCHC catagory, that's probably 90% of all the hardcore music ever made. You should see it. I think the reason it tends to give short shrift to NYC is because it focuses a lot on the formation of the hardcore scene and its fairly short-lived existence in most places. NYC seems to be the anomaly -- started late, but stuck around. If the NYC bands got to debut at CBGB's, sounds like they had it easy ... the documentary has some great footage of the early hardcore "shows" that were organized in a day or two and would take place at whatever abandoned building could be found.
jgloporto wrote: 3) Thrash/Death Core homages to hardcore does in deed kick ass. I hate to say it, but I kind of like Slayer in general. Slayer is good. But I like a lot of metal, as well as various "indie" (for lack of a better term) bands that you'd probably refer to as pussy music.
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jgloporto
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snoopy138 wrote: You should see it. I think the reason it tends to give short shrift to NYC is because it focuses a lot on the formation of the hardcore scene and its fairly short-lived existence in most places. NYC seems to be the anomaly -- started late, but stuck around. If the NYC bands got to debut at CBGB's, sounds like they had it easy ... the documentary has some great footage of the early hardcore "shows" that were organized in a day or two and would take place at whatever abandoned building could be found. In it's early days, CBGB's was a lot like that. It was always a Sunday matinee. They'd sort out the bands that were playing Friday and $4 or $5 at the door on Sunday would get you in. By the late 90's, it was a mecca. I almost stopped going the first time I saw tickets on sale in advance. Maybe I will check it out. I am a little older now and less of a purist.
snoopy138 wrote: Slayer is good. But I like a lot of metal, as well as various "indie" (for lack of a better term) bands that you'd probably refer to as pussy music. Maybe not. I've listened to a lot of music, but I spent a lot of my life at CBGB's and Coney Island High and the Wetlands and slumming around on St. Mark's Place so that's definitely what I listened to the most but I've run the gambit.
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jgloporto wrote: bizarrodrinker wrote: I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well. Ska preceeded reggae with reggae basically evolving from ska. Ska punk evolved from that so reggae and ska are tough to separate into different catagories. you say this, but say this too: Ska Operation Ivy/Rancid (Though not mentioned in this thread thus far, the Scoflaws and Let’s Going Bowling should be mentioned here and I suspect that if there was a specific ska category they would have been). (I hate ska BTW). I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands.
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anykineclimb wrote: I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands. A message to you Rudy: Op Ivy is the definition of 2 Tone Ska Punk. I think if you looked up Ska Punk in Websters you'd see a picture of Tim Armstrong, checkered tights, hat, braces, doc martins and all... maybe I just omitted the "punk" part of "ska punk" because clearly we are not talking about true ska which is mostly carribean music from the 50's. Here is a rule of thumb, if you see black and white themed images and hear horns, it's ska related. Now, I was basing my list on the bands named in this thread. This catagory should include such names as the Clash and the Specials.
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jgloporto wrote: anykineclimb wrote: I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands. A message to you Rudy: Op Ivy is the definition of 2 Tone Ska Punk. I think if you looked up Ska Punk in Websters you'd see a picture of Tim Armstrong, checkered tights, hat, braces, doc martins and all... maybe I just omitted the "punk" part of "ska punk" because clearly we are not talking about true ska which is mostly carribean music from the 50's. Here is a rule of thumb, if you see black and white themed images and hear horns, it's ska related. Now, I was basing my list on the bands named in this thread. This catagory should include such names as the Clash and the Specials. alright. fair enough. I'd throw goldfinger and maybe bosstones in there too I suppose. now 2tone, I think specials, selector, english beat, toasters, bad manners
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