wjca, i agree with you, its an attention thing, much like speedos.

I should be able to wear spaghetti strap tank tops in hot weather without men staring.

My guess is that she's either clueless or ran out of the good bras and doesn't give a shit. Just because her breasts/bra caught your attention doesn't mean she intended on effect.
I should be able to wear spaghetti strap tank tops in hot weather without men staring.

I'm sure you do enjoy your penis but try not judging the entire female sex by the bimbos you date/fuck.

Hilarious. Why would you wear a spaghetti strap tank top if not to look sexy?

Slab, do you know what a spagetti strap tank top is? Its a readily avalible, cheap, keep you cool type of shirt.

[image]http://www.showyourlogo.com/custom-t-shirt/spaghetti-strap.jpg[/image]

I've worn these since I was young teen-ager. Thay are not ment to be overly sexual. Right now I have this image of you leering at 15 year old girls, whose mom bought them some new tops for summer because they were 3/$20.

I wear lots of tops for different reasons. Maybe its to look professional, maybe because I think they make me look pretty, maybe its to stay cool, maybe its because every thing else is in the wash, and I even have a few to look sexy in (though by far the minority).

Are you next going to ask me why I'd wear my old pub crawl shirts, if not to look sexy? Oh right, I've gotta go dig a hole out in the back yard (btw - I have almost as many old spagetti strap tank tops that I use for yard work as pub crawl shirts).

Ladies.

You can wear whatever, I've seen enough in 41 years , I don't HAVE to stare at every boob (real or not) that I see, my point was that if you look sexy ( someone does in a spaghetti thing..some also with an astronaut suit) why would be wrong for a man to appreciate visually?
That doesn't mean a 20 second stare with the tongue out hands in the pockets, means" hey what a nice fit body, good job on that back..nice abs" 3-4 second look... then ready for the next thought.
Ok?

I missunderstud the spaghetti tank top..I was thinking about something more on the lingerie side, nothing wrong with that either...but I don't get the point...if a woman looks good she should be happy that she is appreciated..of course within the limits of good taste...why is it even an issue?

Oh and stop it with the "if he likes women she HAS to be a perv too! Better a slimy pedophile!!" (pathetic) let's make him look at 15 years old girls so he'll feel so baad about what he wrote and I'll be soooo righteous here...

It's stupid, cheap and not even funny...I am sure you can do better in the insult department without insinuating that since I have a sexual drive I must be a pedophile.

I'm sorry slab, I did not mean mean to say that you were a pedophile. But you were taking something that most women aren't trying to be sexy in and telling us that that we are. I was just saying that 15 year olds will wear similar tanktops, and its not to be sexy (at least it wasn't for me when I was 15, with knows about kids these days). I don't think that you would be trying to tell a 15 year old that the only reason she was wearing the spagetti strap tanktop is to look sexy.

Where your comments got me is that you assume that just because we wear something we look good in that we're trying to look sexy. Its not wrong that we look good, or that you think a sexy woman is sexy, but that you are insinuating that we only dress up to look sexy and attract a man.

I don't like the idea that I'm going to be thought of as a sex object unless I wear coveralls. I want to be thought of as a coworker, a climbing partner, etc.

A woman with a great bod or even a magnetic personality. That's pretty A woman with a rope NOW that's sexy!!!

who knows about kids these days

Slab, I know I should leave this subject to rest, but one more thing I'd like to say.

You talked about your cluture and perception of sexuality. I think its safe to say that North American culture is a lot more uptight. If you haven't picked up on it, women are on the defensive here ;).

I think I would enjoy it if I could be a respected co-worker and a sexy woman at the same time, but those two things don't really coexist in my world (and likely most other women's worlds, but I don't want to speak for them).

Slab, I know I should leave this subject to rest, but one more thing I'd like to say.

You talked about your cluture and perception of sexuality. I think its safe to say that North American culture is a lot more uptight. If you haven't picked up on it, women are on the defensive here ;).

I think I would enjoy it if I could be a respected co-worker and a sexy woman at the same time, but those two things don't really coexist in my world (and likely most other women's worlds, but I don't want to speak for them).

And why women are defensive? What are they afraid of? Women's Sensuality has been and still is one of the most powerful tool in humanity after the H bomb...you know that right?

I'm not referring to the video(which I didn't look at either). I meant the words of the person who made the thread, and some of those who responded in it.

.....There was another post, in the General forum, where someone had had gear stolen. A person referred to some kids as "urban youth," referring to their clothes, and someone wigged out accusing her of hate speech.

Even when it was clearly explained she wasn't making a racial remark, he didn't let it go. And if the OP HAD been using the phrase to mean "black kids," it would have been repugnant. The poster would have deserved every word of disgust. The community would have said "NO. We WON'T just sit there and listen to you say that."

Yet, day in and day out, I sit here on rc.com and other places and hear guys go on and on and ON, with degrading, objectifying remarks against women. And nobody thinks a damned thing is out of line..... It's viewed as "okay" to lump an entire gender in a category stamped "For Use and Abuse," to make remarks like "She's askin' for it." When someone voices irritation, they're told to "lighten up" or in some other way diminished.

S/L - Many women have had first-hand experience with violence, abuse, intimidation and objectification based on their gender. As surprising as it surely seems to be to you - there are actually men out there who hate women. Or simply have a lack of respect for them. Or feel a compulsion to control them.