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enigma
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Now more than ever its harder to climb when the economy is tough.
You might have had to relocate for a job in a new area far from climbing
Or you might be unemployed and money is tight even for a climbing trip with gas prices up.
Not to mention now alot of the camping areas are charging more for a campsite.
So what are the solutions during these times?
Some for me :
1 Climbing closer
2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping
3. Sharing gas / and car when I can
4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row.
What are your solutions for Climbing in Hard Economic Times?
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Jan 18, 2011, 11:56 AM
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enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row.
You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion??
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Jan 18, 2011, 12:04 PM
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once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ...
you can share rides, live out if your car/tent, there usually arent any access fees, etc ....
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sbaclimber
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airscape wrote: enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion??
I suppose the only one I have ever thought about is #1, because gas had gotten even more expensive. But, that didn't have anything to do with a recession, and I didn't solve it by not traveling as far, but rather traveling more often by train. 
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sbaclimber wrote: airscape wrote: enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion?? That is the exact questionI asked myself as soon as I read that as well... I suppose the only one I have ever thought about is #1, because gas had gotten even more expensive. But, that didn't have anything to do with a recession, and I didn't solve it by not traveling as far, but rather traveling more often by train.
I wish that was really an option in the US...
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the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand.
Cry me a fucking river.
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airscape
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camhead wrote: Cry me a fucking river.
Meanwhile back in Australia....
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The suggestions/predictions is that $5.00 a gallon gas will be here next year. Folks complaining about gas in the low $3. a gallon range will really have something to scream about.
For myself, as the kids have left the house, I have more time than ever. I figure if business goes to shit I'll find a way to live in the dirt and get in even more.
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enigma wrote: Now more than ever its harder to climb when the economy is tough. You might have had to relocate for a job in a new area far from climbing Or you might be unemployed and money is tight even for a climbing trip with gas prices up. Not to mention now alot of the camping areas are charging more for a campsite. So what are the solutions during these times? Some for me : 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. What are your solutions for Climbing in Hard Economic Times?
Well, I've managed to keep my job, and if anything traveling is cheaper than before because there are killer deals out there. I don't think I'm alone in this boat. Conservative consumers are having their day now that the credit party is over.
That said, a real money saver for me is tacking some climbing onto business trips. If I'm already somewhere great, why not add a few days?
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camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river.
Hey I'm not going off to Thailand. Well that's cuz I hate the food but still, I'm not going.
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camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river.
good call... I'll keep this in mind if they lay me off next month.
When I was supposed to get laid off last year, I was going to get a few grand severance pay. My plan was to move into my truck, go to the nearest awesome climbing destination and live like a good dirtbag should
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Jan 18, 2011, 6:01 PM
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erisspirit wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. good call... I'll keep this in mind if they lay me off next month. When I was supposed to get laid off last year, I was going to get a few grand severance pay. My plan was to move into my truck, go to the nearest awesome climbing destination and live like a good dirtbag should
Man, I wish could do that. Stupid diabetes. 
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billcoe_ wrote: The suggestions/predictions is that $5.00 a gallon gas will be here next year. Folks complaining about gas in the low $3. a gallon range will really have something to scream about.
$5 a gallon that's a bargain!, here in the UK it's £5 for a gallon - greedy tax
A few people I know go cycling and rock climbing around the country, only need to fuel yourself but no good for a young family.
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chadnsc wrote: erisspirit wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. good call... I'll keep this in mind if they lay me off next month. When I was supposed to get laid off last year, I was going to get a few grand severance pay. My plan was to move into my truck, go to the nearest awesome climbing destination and live like a good dirtbag should Man, I wish could do that. Stupid diabetes.
Here, this might cheer you up
http://www.southparkstudios.com/...see-it-to-believe-it
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Jan 18, 2011, 6:52 PM
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chadnsc wrote: erisspirit wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. good call... I'll keep this in mind if they lay me off next month. When I was supposed to get laid off last year, I was going to get a few grand severance pay. My plan was to move into my truck, go to the nearest awesome climbing destination and live like a good dirtbag should Man, I wish could do that. Stupid diabetes.
Sounds like she wishes she had too.
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camhead wrote: chadnsc wrote: erisspirit wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. good call... I'll keep this in mind if they lay me off next month. When I was supposed to get laid off last year, I was going to get a few grand severance pay. My plan was to move into my truck, go to the nearest awesome climbing destination and live like a good dirtbag should Man, I wish could do that. Stupid diabetes. Here, this might cheer you up http://www.southparkstudios.com/...see-it-to-believe-it
Oh fuck. I used to studder and I have diabetes.
I'm Scott Malcomsium.
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Jan 18, 2011, 8:57 PM
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you can quit your job and live with less and climb more.
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Jan 18, 2011, 9:26 PM
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chadnsc wrote: Kartessa wrote: you can quit your job and live with less and climb more*. *But only in Canada and with mom and dad. 
That's a technicality, because I'm a mom too.
If I was unattached to anyone/anything, I'd be living in my PT Cruiser 
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sbaclimber wrote: airscape wrote: enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion?? That is the exact questionI asked myself as soon as I read that as well... I suppose the only one I have ever thought about is #1, because gas had gotten even more expensive. But, that didn't have anything to do with a recession, and I didn't solve it by not traveling as far, but rather traveling more often by train.
Trains are mostly out of the question in North America.
I do #2 almost all the time, but my reason is veganism.
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Kartessa wrote: chadnsc wrote: Kartessa wrote: you can quit your job and live with less and climb more*. *But only in Canada and with mom and dad. That's a technicality, because I'm a mom too. If I was unattached to anyone/anything, I'd be living in my PT Cruiser
Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . .
Dang I have to move to Canada!
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Climbing in a recession is usually ok, there are often some boulders scattered around in there. Climbing out of the recession is where the action is at, it takes a lot of dedication to learn and is rather gear-intensive though. Hope this helps!
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A true climber is always in some sort of recession. Either they need money to get the old subaru going or collecting Penny here and there for the south American trip or to buy the next set of 60 m rope.
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Wouldn't a more appropriate thread title be "climbing out of a recession"?
Just sayin'...
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I decided to stay in South East and start a business to avoid the recession int he west. Working fine for me.
all the advice on the OP, those are things you should do even when you have extra money.
"Waste Not, Want Not." Not doing those things when times were good are the reason times turned hard.
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bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ...
Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc...
Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering.
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On either end of the financial spectrum there there exists a leisure class.
That is all.
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chadnsc wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. Hey I'm not going off to Thailand. Well that's cuz I hate the food but still, I'm not going.
Try the Pad Thai Lutefisk.
Curt
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erisspirit wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. good call... I'll keep this in mind if they lay me off next month. When I was supposed to get laid off last year, I was going to get a few grand severance pay. My plan was to move into my truck, go to the nearest awesome climbing destination and live like a good dirtbag should
I've heard only great things about Thailand. I've had a few climbing friends that went there in the winters. You can live in hotels supposedly for $6.00 a day with food. The food is suppose to be good there as well . It might even be considered a paradise.
Climb at the beach , relax in the ocean. Swim, eat, drink and friendly, happy climbers enjoying life.
As gas prices go up. so will food, and everything else dependent on fuel in the U.S, and other countries.
Hopefully erisspirit you won't get laid off. However if you do , I can't see any downside to Thailand. Other than the airfare.
As well as missing your family and friends for a few months.
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cmagee1 wrote: Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering.
cmagee1 ... if yr a high school student you have something durty old men want ... just offer to bivy with them in exchange for their wordly knowledge and gear
seriously though ... if you shop around for sales i dont think itll cost you $500
and if you climb with someone regularly you can split buying some of the gear
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bearbreeder wrote: seriously though ... if you shop around for sales i dont think itll cost you $500
My first rope + rack cost 2/3 retail (mega sale), and I still ended up paying $400. It consisted of:
1) cheap-ass rope (50m no dry treatment)
2) cheapest carabiners available at the time (35x BD ovals and light-Ds)
3) runners
4) 2 sets of BD wires
If you throw shoes, harnes and maybe a bit more/other pro into the mix, it is definitely going to cost more than $500
@cmagee1: keep up the good fight! and build your rack piece by piece. If you're bouldering, I assume you have shoes. Next step, harness + belay device ($50). After that, rope + quickdraws ($150-200). Trad gear can wait awhile...
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with a will there is a way
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curt wrote: chadnsc wrote: camhead wrote: the only difference that I've seen in the climbing community during the recession is WAY more people getting laid off and going to Thailand. Cry me a fucking river. Hey I'm not going off to Thailand. Well that's cuz I hate the food but still, I'm not going. Try the Pad Thai Lutefisk. Curt
Tried it. they f#*ked up the lutefisk and ruined the whole dish. 
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What recession?
Where?
The only thing i can relate to is the high gas prices.
1.5/l, or in your medieval units 6.75/gal or about 9$ per gallon.
So stop fucking whining about your "high gas prices"!
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cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering.
Cheaper than others doesn't mean free.
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qwert wrote: What recession? Where? The only thing i can relate to is the high gas prices. 1.5/l, or in your medieval units 6.75/gal or about 9$ per gallon. So stop fucking whining about your "high gas prices"! qwert
btw, 1.5/l is currently *only* about 7.67USD/gallon
edit: ^^ US gallons of course
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qwert wrote: What recession? Where? The only thing i can relate to is the high gas prices. 1.5/l, or in your medieval units 6.75/gal or about 9$ per gallon. So stop fucking whining about your "high gas prices"! qwert
Apparently Germans have high gas prices and because of that can't reply to a post properly.
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chadnsc wrote: qwert wrote: What recession? Where? The only thing i can relate to is the high gas prices. 1.5/l, or in your medieval units 6.75/gal or about 9$ per gallon. So stop fucking whining about your "high gas prices"! qwert Apparently Germans have high gas prices and because of that can't reply to a post properly.
<- me, myself and I laughing...
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cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering.
Maybe it's time for a McJob.
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Kartessa wrote: cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering. Maybe it's time for a McJob.
Those can be surprisingly hard to find right now.
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chadnsc wrote: Kartessa wrote: cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering. Maybe it's time for a McJob. Those can be surprisingly hard to find right now.
Pfft I'm in Michigan, aka worst economy in the nation, and there are still help wanted signs on the fast food stores. My neice landed a taco bell job and she just turned 16, doesn't even have license yet. Like someone already said, where there's a will there's a way. Unless you want a good job with bennies, then I'd suggest moving far far away from here.
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sbaclimber wrote: qwert wrote: What recession? Where? The only thing i can relate to is the high gas prices. 1.5/l, or in your medieval units 6.75/gal or about 9$ per gallon. So stop fucking whining about your "high gas prices"! qwert hehe....the irony is Amiland didn't even "exist" as such in the middle ages 
In reply to: btw, 1.5/l is currently *only* about 7.67USD/gallon edit: ^^ US gallons of course
There are even different gallons?
Madness.
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and, yes, i do have nothing of value to contribute to this thread.
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qwert wrote: and, yes, i do have nothing of value to contribute to this thread. qwert
....and all that BS with gallons, miles, inches and so on...blame it on the english!
At least the Amis didn't adopt 'stone', 'pence', 'schilling' and 'fag'!
....oh....um...forget that last one...
to be fair, the poms at least got rid of schillings, pence and such. f'd knows why they still use 'stone'
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A recession? I'd be inclined to call it a groove or perhaps a dihedral. Stemming is a handy technique to employ when things get tough.
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sbaclimber wrote: At least the Amis didn't adopt 'stone', 'pence', 'schilling' and 'fag'! ....oh....um...forget that last one...
In reply to: f'd knows why they still use 'stone'
But what does that have to do with units, or the recession?
I would rahter climb on stone, if money is an issues, since you dont have to pay a fee for most crags, unlike gyms.
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Ha I am in the Science field and was Bitching about this today. I have used inches all my life and still have to think about how to convert 15 1/8 to something useful.
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qwert wrote: sbaclimber wrote: f'd knows why they still use 'stone' But what does that have to do with units....?
edit for cheesetit
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tradrenn wrote: sbaclimber wrote: airscape wrote: enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion?? That is the exact questionI asked myself as soon as I read that as well... I suppose the only one I have ever thought about is #1, because gas had gotten even more expensive. But, that didn't have anything to do with a recession, and I didn't solve it by not traveling as far, but rather traveling more often by train. Trains are mostly out of the question in North America. I do #2 almost all the time, but my reason is veganism.
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chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada!
This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax.
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dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax.
Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada.
Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K
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tradrenn wrote: sbaclimber wrote: airscape wrote: enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion?? That is the exact questionI asked myself as soon as I read that as well... I suppose the only one I have ever thought about is #1, because gas had gotten even more expensive. But, that didn't have anything to do with a recession, and I didn't solve it by not traveling as far, but rather traveling more often by train. Trains are mostly out of the question in North America. I do #2 almost all the time, but my reason is veganism.
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Kartessa wrote: cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering. Maybe it's time for a McJob.
I have one. But I have to drive to school, soccer practice, rehearsal, and the gym almost every day. Plus I have a girlfriend. And those are damn spendy. :)
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enigma wrote: Now more than ever its harder to climb when the economy is tough. You might have had to relocate for a job in a new area far from climbing Or you might be unemployed and money is tight even for a climbing trip with gas prices up. Not to mention now alot of the camping areas are charging more for a campsite. So what are the solutions during these times? Some for me : 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. What are your solutions for Climbing in Hard Economic Times?
While Canada was in recession and I did in fact lose my job at an automotive manufacturing plant the only change we had to make was driving to a good climbing destination instead of flying somewhere.
The big problem is that most people don't know how to manage their money and live in debt. They are barely getting by and if their salary gets cut or they have to live on Unemployment they don't know how to deal with is and their debt overwhelms them.
And yes, I was laid off my my job in the manufacturing field during the recession. We bought a new car with my severance and even put in a little extra for our house payments.
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chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K
I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh.
Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.)
For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada
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If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described:
* British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight
* Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight
* Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight
* Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight
* Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight
* Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
* Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
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cmagee1 wrote: Kartessa wrote: cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering. Maybe it's time for a McJob. I have one.{/quote] A good start, working for living. In reply to: But I have to drive to school, soccer practice, Stay in school, but do you have to play soccer? Or do you choose to? Have to of choose to? In reply to: and the gym almost every day. Have to or choose to? In reply to: Plus I have a girlfriend. And those are damn spendy. :) A girlfriend is nice to have, but also a choice. Sounds to me like climbing isn't your priority, it's something you enjoy when you time or feel like it. The list above seems to have many things that distract from climbing that you have chosen to do. If you really want to climb, you'll find a way. We all make choices and we tend to prioritize what is important to us. We find time and money to do what we really want, and we make excuse about time and money for things are nice to due but we can live without. I was just having this conversation with a climbing partner of mine. He was shocked that I just turned down a job that had tripple what my current Salary is with all benefits. He couldn't understand that the extra money was not worth giving up climbing on real rock. (New job is in location with no cliffs) Climbing is more important to me than money, so I make less money and have places to cilmb.
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tradrenn wrote: I do #2 almost all the time, but my reason is veganism.
I didn't know vegans did #2 ever, let alone all the time.
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dugl33,
I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16
But don't worry, I forgive you.
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Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you.
you don't pay rent?
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guangzhou wrote: cmagee1 wrote: Kartessa wrote: cmagee1 wrote: bearbreeder wrote: once you get past the initial investment ... i think climbing is actually one of the cheaper sports you can do ... Way way way harder than it sounds. Im a high school student. I dont have 500 bucks to drop on a rope, shoes, harness, quickdraws, webbing, biners, pro, etc... Im doing a lot of borrowing... And bouldering. Maybe it's time for a McJob. I have one.{/quote] A good start, working for living. In reply to: But I have to drive to school, soccer practice, Stay in school, but do you have to play soccer? Or do you choose to? Have to of choose to? In reply to: and the gym almost every day. Have to or choose to? In reply to: Plus I have a girlfriend. And those are damn spendy. :) A girlfriend is nice to have, but also a choice. Sounds to me like climbing isn't your priority, it's something you enjoy when you time or feel like it. The list above seems to have many things that distract from climbing that you have chosen to do. If you really want to climb, you'll find a way. We all make choices and we tend to prioritize what is important to us. We find time and money to do what we really want, and we make excuse about time and money for things are nice to due but we can live without. I was just having this conversation with a climbing partner of mine. He was shocked that I just turned down a job that had tripple what my current Salary is with all benefits. He couldn't understand that the extra money was not worth giving up climbing on real rock. (New job is in location with no cliffs) Climbing is more important to me than money, so I make less money and have places to cilmb. I've heard its very cheap to live in Indonesia. I have also met some PHD students from there in the U.S. that get a free ride for their program here. Its a pretty sweet deal getting 300,000 dollars for PHD from the U.S graduate schools. Then going home to Indonesia and living like a king or queen. A women student I met was going to be making 250k to start after graduation.( In Indonesia.) She told me she was only going to work 10-15 per week and go in just for meetings. Then be available on the computer for another 10 hrs per week. She told the school she was going to work for U.S, World Bank when she intends to go back to Indonesia and work for World Bank there. Quite Clever !
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I agree, but I was offer a bit over 100K to work in the mid-west, not Indonesia.
Even with a PHD, Indonesian don't make 250K, trust me. The average pay for a PHD would be closer to 800 USD a month, or about 10 to 12 Thousand USD a year, beofre taxes.
Me, I'm not Indonesian and I work for an American company. I also pay for my life in America.
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guangzhou wrote: I agree, but I was offer a bit over 100K to work in the mid-west, not Indonesia. Even with a PHD, Indonesian don't make 250K, trust me. The average pay for a PHD would be closer to 800 USD a month, or about 10 to 12 Thousand USD a year, beofre taxes. Me, I'm not Indonesian and I work for an American company. I also pay for my life in America.
World Bank is different because its global bank.
She had worked at the bank at a lower position and it was a very well thought out plan.
She realized by getting her education for free , at top private colleges saving 300k, she was able to have everything . When she graduates with PHD,(her knowledge of the U.S and Indonesia economy will make her an instant V.P ). Plus she can live like a queen in a mansion, in Indonesia. Smart women.
She will make 250k, I have a cousin who's wife did something similiar from a different country.
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Gmburns2000 wrote: Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you. you don't pay rent?
He boulders V3+. Can belay with a grigri. cleans the smallest cams and stoppers w/ those litte hands. bootie ftw! He also speaks 3 languages. Stars in his own tv reality show. Banks high 6 figures a year on endorsments. redesigned the empire state building to make it more pleasing on the eye. designed a car to run on water. solved global warming.
next year he has taken on world peace. just on his verbal commitment, the swedes are giving him the noble peace prize.
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dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight
Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game.
What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me.
Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one.
I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government.
Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada.
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chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada!
chadnsc wrote: I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada.
So which is it?
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chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada.
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donald949 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you. you don't pay rent? She also has a 2yo munchkin and doesn't pay for child care. He boulders V3+. Can belay with a grigri. cleans the smallest cams and stoppers w/ those litte hands. bootie ftw! He also speaks 3 languages. Stars in his own tv reality show. Banks high 6 figures a year on endorsments. redesigned the empire state building to make it more pleasing on the eye. designed a car to run on water. solved global warming. next year he has taken on world peace. just on his verbal commitment, the swedes are giving him the noble peace prize.
her
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enigma wrote: guangzhou wrote: I agree, but I was offer a bit over 100K to work in the mid-west, not Indonesia. Even with a PHD, Indonesian don't make 250K, trust me. The average pay for a PHD would be closer to 800 USD a month, or about 10 to 12 Thousand USD a year, beofre taxes. Me, I'm not Indonesian and I work for an American company. I also pay for my life in America. World Bank is different because its global bank. She had worked at the bank at a lower position and it was a very well thought out plan. She realized by getting her education for free , at top private colleges saving 300k, she was able to have everything . When she graduates with PHD,(her knowledge of the U.S and Indonesia economy will make her an instant V.P ). Plus she can live like a queen in a mansion, in Indonesia. Smart women. She will make 250k, I have a cousin who's wife did something similiar from a different country.
World Bank economists average less than 150k, and the head economist of the ENTIRE bank made 300k, but your fresh out of grad school friend is going to start at 250k. Right. Maybe 250k rupiahs.
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTAR2009/Resources/6223977-1252950831873/AR09_Remuneration.pdf
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I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to stir the nest.
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guangzhou wrote: I agree, but I was offer a bit over 100K to work in the mid-west, not Indonesia. Even with a PHD, Indonesian don't make 250K, trust me. The average pay for a PHD would be closer to 800 USD a month, or about 10 to 12 Thousand USD a year, beofre taxes. Me, I'm not Indonesian and I work for an American company. I also pay for my life in America.
Well Public Savings Banks Put all their Presidents, V.P's salary and stock on the internet.
It is published , Another friend of mine brother works in Mass. no PHD, He makes 235k.
Additionally alot of V,P get bonus in stock, so they have either options, or private stock that could be worth any where from 100k +
Goldman Sachs in 2008 gave their employee's stock then worth $78 per share, now worth over $180
per share.
This women from Indonesia had worked at World Bank previously so she found out prior to a PHD program the starting salary for her position.
Of course not everyone has such a sweet salary ,
What do you think a starting salary is for an investment banker for World Bank? They have to pay similar salaries regardless of where they work because they speak both languages and act as a conduit for economic currency exchanges.
Nothing is written in stone, but someone who educated in both Indonesian and American banking and has experience with a PHD gets paid that. Especially since she worked there before, she has connections and referrals .
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guangzhou wrote: I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to stir the nest.
My BS meter went off the charts, so I had to investigate. Not trying to stir the nest, but some claims are so obviously ridiculous that they beg to be disproven.
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I'm sure your friend is skilled and will be highly paid. But someone that just finished grad school is not going to make 40% more than senior people with the same qualifications, and nearly what the leader of the entire org makes. It's simple economics ;)
Partners at KPMG averaged over 400k last year, but a fresh CPA there starts at less than 70k. No one starts at the top.
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My business partner is a former high ranking banker with Citi bank Indonesia, he just laugh when I mentioned this.
If this friend is VP, give us her name so we can clarify the facts. If she's actually VP, her resume and profile would be easy to find with just her name...
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guangzhou wrote: My business partner is a former high ranking banker with Citi bank Indonesia, he just laugh when I mentioned this. If this friend is VP, give us her name so we can clarify the facts. If she's actually VP, her resume and profile would be easy to find with just her name...
First of all I said she was still in a PHD program, second I don't give personal information of friends or family members.
You can easily search banks, investment banks,savings banks, brokerage companies and see their salaries on the internet.
Or you can start reading the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and various economic papers.
There are often different methods of salaries, bonuses and private stock, and public stock offerings.
In addition there are many magazines with economic information.
Good Luck
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Your shoes should be good and snug but not tight, and they should also match the color of your rope and harness.
Edit: This might be in the wrong thread.
Edit 2: I hope I edited that correctly.
Edit 3: What's good on pancakes?
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moose_droppings wrote: Your shoes should be good and snug but not tight, and they should also match the color of your rope and harness. Edit: This might be in the wrong thread. Edit 2: I hope I edited that correctly. Edit 3: What's good on pancakes?
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donald949 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you. you don't pay rent? She also has a 2yo munchkin and doesn't pay for child care. He boulders V3+. Can belay with a grigri. cleans the smallest cams and stoppers w/ those litte hands. bootie ftw! He also speaks 3 languages. Stars in his own tv reality show. Banks high 6 figures a year on endorsments. redesigned the empire state building to make it more pleasing on the eye. designed a car to run on water. solved global warming. next year he has taken on world peace. just on his verbal commitment, the swedes are giving him the noble peace prize.
Not a big deal since he's gonna get a science one for his work on cold fusion next year.
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StuMsg wrote: billcoe_ wrote: The suggestions/predictions is that $5.00 a gallon gas will be here next year. Folks complaining about gas in the low $3. a gallon range will really have something to scream about. $5 a gallon that's a bargain!, here in the UK it's £5 for a gallon - greedy tax
Its funny how perceived normality can cloud raw intelligence sometimes. This reminds me of something I heard last year on the Colbert Report. "If BP sold fuel at $10 a gallon and 7-Eleven sold it for $8 a gallon, would you say your getting a damn good deal at 7-Eleven? You would be a moron if you did".
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Jan 21, 2011, 6:33 AM
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Kartessa wrote: donald949 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you. you don't pay rent? She also has a 2yo munchkin and doesn't pay for child care. He boulders V3+. Can belay with a grigri. cleans the smallest cams and stoppers w/ those litte hands. bootie ftw! He also speaks 3 languages. Stars in his own tv reality show. Banks high 6 figures a year on endorsments. redesigned the empire state building to make it more pleasing on the eye. designed a car to run on water. solved global warming. next year he has taken on world peace. just on his verbal commitment, the swedes are giving him the noble peace prize. He's on to V5s now, and I'm not letting him collect his Nobel prize, don't want him to think he can just coast from here on, kid's gotta work for things in life. Not a big deal since he's gonna get a science one for his work on cold fusion next year.
keep on him... i mean the v8 on the 8th bday is sooo done ... he better be on V16s by then
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granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax.
My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax...
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erisspirit wrote: Kartessa wrote: donald949 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you. you don't pay rent? She also has a 2yo munchkin and doesn't pay for child care. He boulders V3+. Can belay with a grigri. cleans the smallest cams and stoppers w/ those litte hands. bootie ftw! He also speaks 3 languages. Stars in his own tv reality show. Banks high 6 figures a year on endorsments. redesigned the empire state building to make it more pleasing on the eye. designed a car to run on water. solved global warming. next year he has taken on world peace. just on his verbal commitment, the swedes are giving him the noble peace prize. He's on to V5s now, and I'm not letting him collect his Nobel prize, don't want him to think he can just coast from here on, kid's gotta work for things in life. Not a big deal since he's gonna get a science one for his work on cold fusion next year. keep on him... i mean the v8 on the 8th bday is sooo done ... he better be on V16s by then
By his 8th birthday he better be on triple digits, or mommy won't love him.
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Kartessa wrote: erisspirit wrote: Kartessa wrote: donald949 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Kartessa wrote: dugl33, I think you missed the memo, I don't pay taxes, I dont pay rent, don't pay for flights, I have diplomatic immunity, I'm related to the pope and can climb 5.16 But don't worry, I forgive you. you don't pay rent? She also has a 2yo munchkin and doesn't pay for child care. He boulders V3+. Can belay with a grigri. cleans the smallest cams and stoppers w/ those litte hands. bootie ftw! He also speaks 3 languages. Stars in his own tv reality show. Banks high 6 figures a year on endorsments. redesigned the empire state building to make it more pleasing on the eye. designed a car to run on water. solved global warming. next year he has taken on world peace. just on his verbal commitment, the swedes are giving him the noble peace prize. He's on to V5s now, and I'm not letting him collect his Nobel prize, don't want him to think he can just coast from here on, kid's gotta work for things in life. Not a big deal since he's gonna get a science one for his work on cold fusion next year. keep on him... i mean the v8 on the 8th bday is sooo done ... he better be on V16s by then By his 8th birthday he better be on triple digits, or mommy won't love him.
good call
go big or go to someone else's home because your a total failure
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Jan 21, 2011, 8:53 AM
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Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax...
Should I mention my Mother is from Canada I'm moving out of the U.S, to see my family there.
But I don't speak French, but all the free health care, and cafe's and the canadian dollar is better.
They have all those good sweets, and McGill University might be an option. Especially since you said there's no recession in Canada. I only have climbed in Squamish but have heard great things about the Bugaboos.
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granite_grrl
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Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax...
I got the $300 checks too, I don't know anyone rich enough that they couldn't get them....but that's a one time thing and just a way that Harper was trying to placate people about the HST.
Neither of these things mean that you don't pay taxes.
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enigma wrote: Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax... Should I mention my Mother is from Canada I'm moving out of the U.S, to see my family there. But I don't speak French, but all the free health care, and cafe's and the canadian dollar is better. They have all those good sweets, and McGill University might be an option. Especially since you said there's no recession in Canada. I only have climbed in Squamish but have heard great things about the Bugaboos.
Might I suggest you pick up a map of Canada before you decide to move here?
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granite_grrl wrote: enigma wrote: Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax... Should I mention my Mother is from Canada I'm moving out of the U.S, to see my family there. But I don't speak French, but all the free health care, and cafe's and the canadian dollar is better. They have all those good sweets, and McGill University might be an option. Especially since you said there's no recession in Canada. I only have climbed in Squamish but have heard great things about the Bugaboos. So you plan on going to McGill and doing a few quick trips to Squamish and the Bugs???? Might I suggest you pick up a map of Canada before you decide to move here?
Yes of course, I know Squamish is the west and there's provinces and I've been to Toronto, and my family lives in Quebec on the East Coast of Canada.
Now getting back to the the topic - Climbing in Recession how's the prices for camping, climbing gear, and road trips for climbers in Canada versus the U.S in 2011? I met alot of climbers who were working as tree planters,logging, and drilling professions,
Thanks
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enigma wrote: granite_grrl wrote: enigma wrote: Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax... Should I mention my Mother is from Canada I'm moving out of the U.S, to see my family there. But I don't speak French, but all the free health care, and cafe's and the canadian dollar is better. They have all those good sweets, and McGill University might be an option. Especially since you said there's no recession in Canada. I only have climbed in Squamish but have heard great things about the Bugaboos. So you plan on going to McGill and doing a few quick trips to Squamish and the Bugs???? Might I suggest you pick up a map of Canada before you decide to move here? Yes of course, I know Squamish is the west and there's provinces and I've been to Toronto, and my family lives in Quebec on the East Coast of Canada. Now getting back to the the topic - Climbing in Recession how's the prices for camping, climbing gear, and road trips for climbers in Canada versus the U.S in 2011? I met alot of climbers who were working as tree planters,logging, and drilling professions, Thanks
If you were going to try to travel in Canada on the super cheap you'd want to find areas that have crown land to camp on which are few and far between.
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granite_grrl wrote: enigma wrote: granite_grrl wrote: enigma wrote: Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax... Should I mention my Mother is from Canada I'm moving out of the U.S, to see my family there. But I don't speak French, but all the free health care, and cafe's and the canadian dollar is better. They have all those good sweets, and McGill University might be an option. Especially since you said there's no recession in Canada. I only have climbed in Squamish but have heard great things about the Bugaboos. So you plan on going to McGill and doing a few quick trips to Squamish and the Bugs???? Might I suggest you pick up a map of Canada before you decide to move here? Yes of course, I know Squamish is the west and there's provinces and I've been to Toronto, and my family lives in Quebec on the East Coast of Canada. Now getting back to the the topic - Climbing in Recession how's the prices for camping, climbing gear, and road trips for climbers in Canada versus the U.S in 2011? I met alot of climbers who were working as tree planters,logging, and drilling professions, Thanks Canada is expensive. Camping in Canada is expensive, food is so-so, alcohol is expensive, gas is expensive, gear is surprisingly often cheaper (but harder to find great deals). If you were going to try to travel in Canada on the super cheap you'd want to find areas that have crown land to camp on which are few and far between.
I climbed in Squamish in 2003 and 2006. It was cheap but the dollars where equal almost. Food was cheap and there are free areas.
I was thinking of the mountains in Quebec if I drive from Calif to New York then North.
I have family in Quebec that I want to see.
How much is a gallon of gas in American dollars?
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granite_grrl
Jan 25, 2011, 12:17 PM
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enigma wrote: granite_grrl wrote: enigma wrote: granite_grrl wrote: enigma wrote: Kartessa wrote: granite_grrl wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: dugl33 wrote: chadnsc wrote: Ah, don't be too technical now . . . . you don't pay sales tax, get free health and child care, money for your wee one, free rent and food . . . . Dang I have to move to Canada! This is incorrect. In fact, its generally higher than U.S. sales tax. Wrong. See I was talking to Kartessa, not you. Kartessa does not pay sales tax in her home that is Canada. Thanks for playing but dont give up, you could still win "Reading Comprehension 2011". J/K I don't know what makes you think there is no sales tax in Canada, and yes, I understand Kartessa lives in the great white north, eh. Its been a while, but having spent about 4 months in Canada, I remember sales tax (although technically a non-Canadian could apply to receive a refund of said tax or be exempt for items shipped outside of Canada.) For your reference, edification, and dare I say, your reading comprehension 2012 training regimen... http://en.wikipedia.org/...ales_taxes_in_Canada and from the MEC website... Taxes If an order is shipped to the following provinces or territories, MEC must collect the applicable taxes as described: * British Columbia (BC) 12% HST on merchandise and freight * Alberta (AB) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Saskatchewan (SK) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Manitoba (MB) 7% PST on merchandise plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Ontario (ON) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Quebec (QC) 8.5% PST on the total of the merchandise and freight plus 5% GST on merchandise and freight * New Brunswick (NB) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Nova Scotia (NS) 15% HST on merchandise and freight * Prince Edward Island (PE) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Newfoundland (NL) 13% HST on merchandise and freight * Northwest Territories (NT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Yukon (YT) 5% GST on merchandise and freight * Nunavut (NU) 5% GST on merchandise and freight Again you didn't win the reading comprehension game. What makes me think that Kartessa doesn't pay sales taxes in Canada, well she told me. Now I know you have internet searches that show the tax rates for various providences and 4 months of cultural immersion you had there ten years ago but I'm still going to go with Kartessa on this one. I mean Kartessa is a Canadian citizen who's lived there for 24+ years and she told me under Canadian social services if you don't make a certain amount of money you get reimbursed the sales tax you pay by the government. Now see in the quote you responded to I was talking directly to Kartessa and Kartessa does not pay sales tax in Canada. You mean the GST rebate? I remember getting it back when I was younger (and poorer) and it was something like $60....for the entire year. Sure, it's better than a sharp stick in the eye but, it's a far cry from not paying sales tax. My GST rebates were in the $300 range every 3 months, HST is garbage at $135, but I was talkin to Chad about INCOME tax... Should I mention my Mother is from Canada I'm moving out of the U.S, to see my family there. But I don't speak French, but all the free health care, and cafe's and the canadian dollar is better. They have all those good sweets, and McGill University might be an option. Especially since you said there's no recession in Canada. I only have climbed in Squamish but have heard great things about the Bugaboos. So you plan on going to McGill and doing a few quick trips to Squamish and the Bugs???? Might I suggest you pick up a map of Canada before you decide to move here? Yes of course, I know Squamish is the west and there's provinces and I've been to Toronto, and my family lives in Quebec on the East Coast of Canada. Now getting back to the the topic - Climbing in Recession how's the prices for camping, climbing gear, and road trips for climbers in Canada versus the U.S in 2011? I met alot of climbers who were working as tree planters,logging, and drilling professions, Thanks Canada is expensive. Camping in Canada is expensive, food is so-so, alcohol is expensive, gas is expensive, gear is surprisingly often cheaper (but harder to find great deals). If you were going to try to travel in Canada on the super cheap you'd want to find areas that have crown land to camp on which are few and far between. I climbed in Squamish in 2003 and 2006. It was cheap but the dollars where equal almost. Food was cheap and there are free areas. I was thinking of the mountains in Quebec if I drive from Calif to New York then North. I have family in Quebec that I want to see. How much is a gallon of gas in American dollars?
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dynosore
Jan 25, 2011, 2:19 PM
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Us Americans have to pay 10 a night to camp on crown land. If you get caught doing it without a permit they can confiscate your gear.
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granite_grrl
Jan 25, 2011, 10:57 PM
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dynosore wrote: Us Americans have to pay 10 a night to camp on crown land. If you get caught doing it without a permit they can confiscate your gear.
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enigma
Mar 22, 2011, 5:43 AM
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donald949 wrote: tradrenn wrote: sbaclimber wrote: airscape wrote: enigma wrote: 1 Climbing closer 2. Preparing Food that is good in advance for camping 3. Sharing gas / and car when I can 4. Opting for places I really want to climb, and making sure the weather is good at least for a few days in row. You don't do these things when there isn't a reccesion?? That is the exact questionI asked myself as soon as I read that as well... I suppose the only one I have ever thought about is #1, because gas had gotten even more expensive. But, that didn't have anything to do with a recession, and I didn't solve it by not traveling as far, but rather traveling more often by train. Trains are mostly out of the question in North America. I do #2 almost all the time, but my reason is veganism. Wait, say what?
Now that gas is close to $4.50 dollars and its almost twice what it was to fill up my tank, this topic seems timely.
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