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collegekid
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Free six-pack of beer (or favorite non-alcoholic beverage) to whomever is willing to show me around Rainbow.
I'm a moderate boulderer looking for some people to cruise SD's best bouldering spots with (i.e. work moderate-hard stuff at Woodson and elsewhere). I've already spent a fair share of time bouldering at Santee, but there's only so many times you can attempt "Suzie's Discharge" before your tips bleed.
PM me if interested.
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jl
Sep 30, 2004, 8:23 PM
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My friends own the property that Rainbow is on. Consider it private property. Would you like strangers trepassing on your property? I know that there is not much to climb in San Diego, but that does not give anyone the right to trespass. Sorry for being forward, but I would hate to see some trespasser ruin it for everybody. The fires last year really created new bouldering spots in North San Diego, specifically around Lake Wolford, if that helps.
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Jl - sounds to me like you are covering your own a**, not looking out for everybody's concern. A sentiment like - let me talk to my friends and see if it would be cool to bring you down once to see what it is all about. Then you can always say hey they said "no". Then your motive would not be so transparent....
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Sep 30, 2004, 8:40 PM
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Somebody's mommy didn't teach them to share...
In reply to: My friends own the property that Rainbow is on. Consider it private property. Would you like strangers trepassing on your property?
I mean, he even offered free beer... BEER! Why not PM the guy and maybe try to set something up or give him contact info to ask about access? Or you could just be a dick and tell 'em to F#@* off.
~Adam~
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Collegekid.
I know exatically what delima you talking about. I would take you there myself (through the back door of course) just in spite of the owner, but, unforunatly i just move to N. Cal. My bro and I climbed there all the time, even when told by people the exact the same thing that JL posted, but in person. We laughed in there faces.
PM me and I'll tell you how to bypass the burocricy of the whole place.
On a different note, the place is relativly pristine, so if you do end up going there; dont litter, bushwack, or in anyother way disrespect the land.
Peace.
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In reply to: Somebody's mommy didn't teach them to share...
hahahahha, classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though, it's one thing to have your own little "private" bouldering place if the surrounding bouldering is abundant, but in SD, where the local bouldering licks, at best, that's just being a dick :evil:
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WOW, you are actually advocating trespassing. You are a bunch of sad shitheads. You don’t have the right to climb anywhere you want.
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In reply to: WOW, you are actually advocating trespassing. You are a bunch of sad s---. You don’t have the right to climb anywhere you want.
There's one post in this thread suggesting trespassing. The others don't. You seem to have missed that. Defensive, selfish reactions like JL's are the root of this problem to begin with. And to get that after asking for information about gaining legal access to the area is, in your words "a bunch of sad s---."
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Bit of a surfer mentality ??
Thats why I quit surfing!!!
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collegekid
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I definitely don't litter; in fact, I'd be willing to help out with some trail work or whatever if it would get me access. I actually ran into one of the guys who worked on the SD climbing guide at the Adopt-A-Crag the other weekend, and got the same response when I asked about rainbow--"It's really good, and I've been there, but it's private, good luck getting in."
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olvegrn
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Yeah, I heard some climber owns all that property and doesn't like sharing it. The other side of the freeway is just as good, so just climb there... good caving too.
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Is it posted as No Tresspassing? If not, you can climb there, unless the OWNER asks you to leave. If it is posted No Tresspassing, it is the owners responsibility to enforce it and it also means he is liable if you are to get onto his land and get hurt.
Its a two way sword. Laws like these are on the books to encourage private owners to allow public recreational use. I would encourage everyone to go the legitimate and proper way first by trying to get permission. If that fails or is not reasonable, just climb there if it is not posted. If it is posted, I hope the owner has a good insurance policy on the land as the 1st person who gets hurt there would have a legitimate attractive nuisance claim against the owner.
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So the question is: is it posted No Tresspassing? It wasn't in 1999.
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collegekid
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"But the ISSUE is not being some kind of jerk climber who gives the climbing community a bad name..."
Yes I know the quote above is *sort of* out of context, but wouldn't you say that a climber who devolops an area of supposedly superb quality bouldering, and then keeps it to themselves in an area lacking in superb bouldering, a jerk? Would you not say that this person gives the local climbing community a bad rep (which san diego's climbing community already seems to have)?
Anyway, if the owners of Rainbow are following this thread, my offer still stands...
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collegekid
Oct 4, 2004, 3:53 AM
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So, where's a spot that has bouldering as good as rainbow? I'd definitly be interested in going.
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For christ's sake people, like it or not Rainbow is on private land. If you're not welcome, don't go. I haven't been but I'm not getting all butt-hurt about the fact that there is a "secret" area that's on private land - because that makes it a private area, not secret! They could have the only rock in the state on their property and it wouldn't change the fact that it's their property, to do with as they please.
In any case, it's not hard to find a lot of new rock post fire as Art has mentioned. The hillside across from Woodson is denuded of vegetation for the time being, at least.
There is a lot to be had, drive some back country roads. Check out places like: Wildcat Canyon Rd from Lakeside to Ramona, the areas out near Santa Ysabel and Warner Springs, Lake Henshaw, Ranchita, Valley Center, Lake Wolford, etc etc... there is a LOT of rock out there, depending on how hard you want to look.
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Oct 4, 2004, 1:10 PM
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I found a small, quality boulder group off of Old Castle Rd. in Valley Center. The rock is Andesite and it is good. Get of I-15 and drive east on old castle about 2-3miles. Its on pr-pr but is not posted. Be quiet and were your camo clothes. Stay off posted land.
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rockitjeff
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yea what pbjosh says
get in your car and explore. across the highway and a tad south are rainbow heights. I know there is rock to be found there~ some of it should be accessible and not on private land.
if you want your bouldering handed to you on a silver platter, well.. .nothing in northern san diego county is easy. chaparral, rattlesnakes, land owners, chaparral, illegal aliens, meth labs, pot farms, chaparral. enjoy.
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im assuming that these guys are the same people that claim ownership of a certain crag in north county, and have been known to break windshields of other people climbing on "their" crag. although i havent had my windshield cracked by them, it doesnt make me at all interested to meet them, ive heard they dont want gumbys on their land, and invite people that are sponsored and crank hard and are in the right cliques. if you want access to this place, meet people and climb with them, sooner or later youll meet people that have access. personaly, i could care less about a buncha boulders in rainbow, but thats just me. i prefer to climb with descent people. southern california is filled with idiots. non climbers and climbers alike.
good luck on your search
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^ you mean lake hodges? We ran into those guys once...claimed ownership, unfriendly, threatening us even. Turned out to be kinda comical as they talked of legality, access issues, and nuisances while lighting up a joint and leaving their trash behind.
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To all of you who find fault and dis the owners of Rainbow, you should probably try and meet the folks who own it and then make your statementsl. I was one of the individuals who helped develop Rainbow. And I have to repeat what rockitjeff has to say. Go find your own private idaho ya know
WE were the ones who scoped the boulders from the road, not knowing if there was anything climbable, because lots of SD rock is not. WE were the ones who cut the trails through double overhead SD brush, and if you have ever tried to bushwhack though that stuff you'll understand just what that means. What we found was some great bouldering....uh huh..good stuff. But then Woodson has great stuff. Lots of SD county has great stuff. But you have to put some effort into getting to it.
To say that the owners are pricks or selfish a-holes who only care about themselves or their friends is ignorant beyond belief. Who the hell are you to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their own property. It's not about doing a service to the climbing community, which I think many people believe should be the standard mantra of a climbers identity these days. You know, make a route safer for everyone, so put more bolts in it. Convience anchors at the top of established climbs to make it easier so people don't have (GASP) walk-off. If you aren't able to find out who the owners are and ask permission (not a hard thing to do), then go somewhere you don't have to do that. But if you know it's private and there are access issues, why make it ever worse with trespassing and pissing off the owners.
If you care to find out who the owners are and how to get in touch with them PM me.
There is so much freakin untouched rock in SD county, you just have to want it a little more to get to it.
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A friend of mine took me to a place on public land in North San Diego.
Virtually undeveloped featured rock......a bouldering spot.
I couldn't believe that it wasn't developed.
I concur with some of the peeps above. Box clever, find out where this place is (and others) and start climbing (take some cleaning stuff).
Jeez if I was lucky to live there, I'd be having a field day. So much exploration to do.
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collegekid
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I never meant for this thread to become a way of bashing the owners of rainbow...if you read my first post, you see I was trying to be friendly and meet some new climbers and hopefully see a new climbing spot.
I no longer have any interest in disturbing Rainbow's exclusivity--if I happen to run across the owners, and they personally invite me to visit, then I'll go.
Rockfax, do you remember any details of this place your friend took you to (how to get there)? I don't mind exploring, but I'd much rather know I was exploring a place that had some quality rock.
Are the owners of Rainbow planning on opening it to the public in the future? I imagine the first ascents have to run out at some point...
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Collegekid, I wasn't really responding to your posts but to others who took issue with the owners . That being said, I doubt very much that they are planning on opening it up to the hordes of mattress people who would descend on it if they did. One of the really nice aspects of it is that they and there friends can go there and have a solitary, quiet, undisturbed, climbing experience.
Don't put going there someday off your list though. Like I said the owners IMO are not nasty a-holes or holier than thou types. They are long time climbers who were able to find their own Private Idaho in N. County. Everyone should be so lucky.
As far as Lake Hodges goes, I was a small part of the original crew who helped develop there also. But when I lived down there, there was no territory issue and we told lots of people about it and had no issues with who went there. It really didn't get much traffic then, but it sounds like it does now. To bad someones giving out the bad juju. If you go there, remember it's on public property, or at least it was when I lived down there and therefore no one owns it. Just watch out of for some of the big buzztails that we saw there. I was rapping off one day, next to the Eldo Wall and almost landed on a huge 4 or 5 foot one. We sort of encourgaged him to find other sleeping spots, but who knows' he and his pals are probably still hanging out.
But really, with all of last years fires there is probably so much exposed rock now it would be a crime not to take advantage of it and develop the countless boulders that have been exposed. Get a Thomas Bros. guide and go driving out in East County and see what you find. Lots and lots of potential me thinks..
good luck
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Collegekid
Just across from Rainbow, a mile or so north up the Highway, on the east side are some huge boulders. Park up and walk to some of the biggest and you'll find some killer glue-up routes. As I remember there's this overhanging wall which looks good and then adjacent to this a huge face/arete climb, at the base of this a glued traverse.
All bolted.
Great for working out I should think.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned Culp Valley yet. I go there all the time. Given the fact that there are pretty much endless boulders there, I dont see myself getting bored anytime soon. I have a V5 and a V7 project going there that are among the most fun things I have worked on to date.
There are many amazing, quality problems out there on really great granite. Dont let the SD guidebook fool you, as it hardly coverst eh scope of what is really going on at Culp.
Ironically, I was just offered access to Rainbow about 2 months ago from one of the owners. I simply never went because I am having so much fun at Culp lately... Well, and then I hurt the A2 pulley of my left middle finger and am currently down for the count.
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victorjohn is right. culp valley is light years better. i used to visit rainbow boulders when my folks lived there; i like it fine (we'd sip tea on the porch actually see boulderers on the south facing probs.......
but culp valley is sooooo cool. more moderate probs (i am a weakling) and i much prefer it's higher altitude climate
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I've actually been to culp before...it's pretty cool, but not worth the drive (at least to me). Woodson is higher quality and is closer to La Jolla (where I live).
I guess the true reason I wanted to check out Rainbow was just that-to check it out. Part of my enjoyment in bouldering comes from visiting new areas, and I've heard that rainbow is pretty good. If I just wanted to go to one place all the time just to work individual climbs, I'd probably just go to Black Mountain or Jtree every weekend.
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I went to Rainbow in February of this year. There is so much mis-information in this thread it is hard to know where to start. Rainbow does probably have the best quality granite bouldering in SoCal--however the owners are quite reasonable about granting access. They are certainly not jerks at all. At least not GH, who lives locally.
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In reply to: They are certainly not jerks at all. At least not GH, who lives locally.
No wait A$$HOLES would be a better way to put it.
Rainbow is another pathetic example of the GHEY A$$ cheese ball social sence that prevades san diego climbing.
It was one of the major contributing factors in why several of us quit working at SRG and left San Diego all together.
I would even let certain indiviuals climbing for free on a regular basis (no it was not favortism, it was mid week, the gym was empty, and they generally helped out with route setting and occasionally kicked down sandwhichs from the fish market where they worked). You f'ers know who are.
When I show up at Rainbow, cicra 95-96'. I get tossed all kinds of attitude about where I parked, its private land, need permission bla bla bla bla.
The people I was with had been establishing routes there longer than those jokers had been climbing.
Forget SD Blundering, Head to Idylwild, South Ridge and TramWay are better than Raindough. If you are that hard up for a work out, bike down to peps wall bust a dozen or so laps keep riding down to sunset cliffs bust another lap or on that, ride back and hit santana's on the way home..... hmmmm machaca[sp?]
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Feels good to blow your load? :shock:
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In reply to: When I show up at Rainbow, cicra 95-96'. I get tossed all kinds of attitude about where I parked, its private land, need permission bla bla bla bla.
If it is private land, then you do need permission.
Otherwise, it's called trespassing.
Today's youth seem to forget one simple fact: you do not have a "right" to climb anywhere.
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In reply to: In reply to: They are certainly not jerks at all. At least not GH, who lives locally. Not sure who "GH" is... BUT, They are certinaly jerks. No wait A$$HOLES would be a better way to put it.
Well, George is the guy who owns the place. The fact that you just showed up at Rainbow without even knowing who the owner is, indicates that it is you who is the real asshole. Get a clue.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: They are certainly not jerks at all. At least not GH, who lives locally. Not sure who "GH" is... BUT, They are certinaly jerks. No wait A$$HOLES would be a better way to put it. Well, George is the guy who owns the place. The fact that you just showed up at Rainbow without even knowing who the owner is, indicates that it is you who is the real asshole. Get a clue Curt
Bump. I know George quite well, and he is a nice guy not to mention as far removed from being an asshole as anyone I know. Kevin, Mike, Dave, and all the rest are very cool and totally worth knowing. It's you Scott how needs to be less of one then those you accuse of being one. Hope I get to meet you one day..Loser
Curt, nice stuff eh. And not a tr needed on almost all the boulders too.
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The place has always drawn my eye while driving past it, it looks like a very cool place to climb. Just wondering though, most of the posters are only talking about the bouldering, are there routes up there? I have met some people, here and there, that have permission to climb there from the owners and all of them seemed like very nice people. After talking with a few of them, albeit briefly, they had nothing but good things to say about the owners and the area.
Though I myself have not obtained permission to climb there, I can understand both sides of the arguements. I live fairly close to Rainbow and would love to climb there because of the short approach and the numbers/quality of routes. Having climbed at a lot of San Diego's crags over the past few years I have seen the utter lack of respect a lot of climbers have and can understand why the owners dont want the trash and hassle that would come with granting full access.
Oh well I would like to have access but there is plenty of other rock in San Diego especially after the fires.
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What the hell happened to my post? If you are going to delete my post then I would ask that you delete all posts that quote it.
Yep, I am a real jerk for thinking that the kindness I had shown for others would be returned.
Yep, I am real inconsiderate for thinking that going to an area with someone who had been climbing there for years would be ok.
Yep, I am a total and complete a$$hole becuase I couldn't translate GH into "greg" a name from a place that I haven't thought about for years.
I would appericate it if the moderators would return my post.
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In reply to: In reply to: When I show up at Rainbow, cicra 95-96'. I get tossed all kinds of attitude about where I parked, its private land, need permission bla bla bla bla. If it is private land, then you do need permission. Otherwise, it's called trespassing. Today's youth seem to forget one simple fact: you do not have a "right" to climb anywhere.
I am far form youth... perhaps not as far as Curt et al. And I agree with you.
However, this "WAS" an established area, complete with an article in Rock and Ice (I think, could have been climbing) and I was going with someone who had been climbing there for years.
I did not return to the area.
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In reply to: bigstiffy wrote: In reply to: I know George quite well, and he is a nice guy not to mention as far removed from being an asshole as anyone I know. Kevin, Mike, Dave, and all the rest are very cool and totally worth knowing Well if they're so cool, how do you explain their apparent conduct at Hodges, a place they do not own. I did not bump into them there, but there have been many accounts by others.
I am not sure who is doing it at Lake Hodges to tell you the truth. And if it is them, then they have done a huge about face from when I hung with them when I lived down there. You should probably find out who exactly it is before ascribing blame. But Hodges is a bit of a scufy crag with only one reallly good wall. And since the peeps I mentioned above have probably climbed it out and don't go there that much anymore. Names would help here.
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Scot, what you're referring to are the T-Domes or Temecula Domes which are a lead area and not at all related to the private land of the Rainbow bouldering area. Perhaps a bit of misunderstanding is happening here.
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Dear All,
In the 80s, Rainbow Stones was open to anybody, essentially. There was no gate, no issue. The 90s saw the addition of a gate and “No Trespassing” signs. These were added by owners of the surrounding land, who are not climbers. To insure that the boulders were not bought by non-climbers, thus creating a situation where NOBODY could climb, certain individuals teamed to purchase them, at no small cost (plus yearly taxes).
Rainbow is landlocked. The climbers are allowed admittance to their land by way of a private access road. To approach Rainbow without permission of the climbers or other landowners—all of whom are reasonable individuals—is quite simply trespassing (not only once, but twice). Please respect this, just like the owners of Rainbow and its surrounding area would necessarily need to respect your rights.
Another reality is that a 4-wheel drive vehicle is needed to get there. It’s easier to drive the flat dirt road to McCain Valley. And there are plenty of good problems elsewhere, such as at Culp Valley and Mount Woodson. Exploration will yield many projects on the myriad boulders dotting San Diego County like a plague.
Threads posted here implicate Mike and Dave in a situation at Lake Hodges. Although I have absolutely no idea what happened there, I do know what did NOT happen: Mike and Dave had nothing to do with it, verbally or physically. In fact, they themselves were victims of automobile vandalization.
Don’t believe the hype. If you line up twenty people and tell the first one a story, by the time the last one tells the tale it will bear no resemblance to the facts. That’s what has happened in some of the posts here.
Brian K. Mulvey
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roughster
Oct 11, 2004, 5:24 AM
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Brian,
Thats a good response but you do mention some things I find interesting.
#1 if there is an easment, you do not need permission. The owner is legally obliged to allow you to pass, whether its posted No Tresspassing or not. If they prohibit you, they are can be sued in court. Private Land owners often will tell people they can't pass knowing full well that people have the right but are banking that people are too lazy to look into it for themselves to see if there is an easement.
#2 has anyone actually looked at the Parcel Map for the area and confirmed that the boulders themselves are on specifically anyones land? Reason why I ask is talk is cheap, and it is always easier to say something than prove it. Do the climbers own the land that has the access or the actually land the boulders are on. There is a very important distinction there. If they just own the "access" land with the easement, they have no legally binding way of keeping you from crossing if there is an easement.
For those interested in climbing there, you have the free means of finding out who owns the land and any public easements just by going down to your local county courthouse. Ask for the parcel map for that area, and write down the parcel #. From there you should be able to call any local Title company and ask them who owns the land, and they can look it up for you. Some title companies are more friendly than others so you may need to call a few of them before you get someone helpful.
There is nothing wrong with looking into it (access). I think if everyone took some time to find out a little bit more about how to verify ownership/access for places, it would make for a much more knowledgable general climbing community.
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bandycoot
Oct 11, 2004, 6:33 AM
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I started working in Temecula (live in Mira Mesa) in the evenings. I drive past Rainbow 5 times a week looking around at the rock. Someday when I get the bouldering itch maybe I'll poke around and see if I can ask the owners and see if I can crank for a day. Collegekid, good luck! If you're successful in your endeavour let me know how it is!
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apolobamba
Oct 11, 2004, 6:47 AM
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Roughster,
I think Brian means there is a private easement or maybe an unofficial agreement to access the boulders. I doubt there not a public easement. As such, it is still trespassing for all people not grant this easement.
To find out who owns the property, you can get that at the County Department of Building and Safety or the County Assessor's Department.
However, I am not sure why you are so adamant about getting onto someone’s private property. Let it be and respect the land owner's rights.
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roughster
Oct 11, 2004, 7:06 AM
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In reply to: However, I am not sure why you are so adamant about getting onto someone’s private property. Let it be and respect the land owner's rights.
I'm not adamant to get people onto the land, simply informing people of the ways to verify and use the land as appropriate. You will notice in my 1st post I suggest that everyone try to contact the owners first and certainly that will probably be the easiest and with the least hassle way to get access.
The other pieces are about how to approach the land/legality of it. Also as mentioned, the more informed climbers are as a group, the better. I would be interesting to find out where the property lines are as well as the presence/absence of an easement. More land has public access easements than people realize. Of course the owners don't go around promoting people being informed of it, but generally anywhere there is a natural area that has seen foot traffic/public recreation for several decades, there is a real good chance that an easement is there.
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apolobamba
Oct 11, 2004, 3:18 PM
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fair enough
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asandh
Oct 11, 2004, 3:38 PM
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:)
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esoteric1
Oct 11, 2004, 4:19 PM
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Thanks roughster, ive been wondering how to do that for years, i appriciate the info! otherwise, i think we are beating a dead horse here....
anybody have some scribbles on el cap in lakeside? I was up there when the area saw its first few routes and took that season to my head, only to return to hear 60+ routes have been established.
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briankmulvey
Oct 11, 2004, 6:43 PM
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Roughster,
In regards to your Point #1:
The word “easement” was used loosely, and should have been "private access road" so as not to cause legal confusion (I just fixed the original submission). Apolobamba is correct: the access is private, granted to the climbing landowners by the non-climber landowners. All the land is private; none of it is public. There is no public easement. Hence the locked gate and “No Trespassing” signs.
Point #2:
The answer to the Point’s first question is quite simply, “Yes.” The owners checked all maps when purchasing the 42 acres that encompass the boulders at Rainbow Stones. The purchase was very specific.
Brian K. Mulvey
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davehatchett
Oct 11, 2004, 8:26 PM
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Greetings from one of the OWNERS OF RAINBOW. Three pages of rhetoric is way too much and the spray must stop here. First and most importantly let me clarify why we have not opened up our land for everyone to climb on. Rainbow is surrounded by other private parcels and we have permission from the owners to access our land via their roads and land. They do not want trains of cars and people passing through their land. Also, regardless of any legal easement issues, we own 42 acres encompassing all of Rainbow Stones. All surrounding land is also private. Before our purchase we were shot at and nearly killed by an irate property owner from an adjacent parcel just for climbing there, so I suggest caution with these hillbillies. There are also liabilty issues, such as someone suing me for getting hurt. Most people of character wouldn't do this, but I can't take that chance. After all, suing is the American way. Here's a selfish reason: I like having my own uncrowded bouldering area. Wouldn't you? Have you pulled on Midnight Lightning lately? Years of greasy sweat and boot rubber have deteriorated this problem to an appalling level and I don't want to see the same thing happen at Rainbow. I have never denied anyone I have met a tour of Rainbow. Regarding the Hodges issue, I have not been there in 15 years and the last time I was there someone stole our tailgate (must have been the aggro climbing locals). If someone did have a bad experience with one of the Rainbow boys there, I'm sure they regret it and I think it's time to move on. My partners are great people and if you got to know them you would agree. I am truly sorry for the climbers who will not experience our playground; it's just not in the cards. But remember: if not for our purchase it's quite possible that nobody--not even us--would still be climbing there. But be realistic--next time you pull up to the Happys and see 30 cars in the parking lot, think about what you would do if you owned your own Private Idaho.
With all due respect,
Dave Hatchett, partial owner, Rainbow Stones
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slhappy
Oct 11, 2004, 10:09 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up Dave.
When I lived in SD I had the pleasure of climbing in your own private Idaho with George. Super spot. You own it, you do as you wish with it.
As said before and said again...san diego is abundant with good rock, you just got to work for it and be willing to invest much sweat and blood only to discover a water polished ball with one heinous seam. Or you could hit the motherload.
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bigstiffy
Oct 11, 2004, 10:15 PM
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Hey Dave
LTNS. Hope all is well and that you, Mike and Kevi. Good to hear you're still out there having fun
cheers
Pat
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