I have a friend that is a cop and he was cleaning his weapon while watching TV with his wife and two kids. The weapon discharged and blew a hole in his TV screen. Should we now say that cops cant bring their weapons home with them. We can say guns don't kill people, that people kill people. We can say that we should physco analyze these freaks and find the root cause of their malfunctions. We can say that people are bored and uneducated. But IMHO, we need to hold people accountable for their actions. To many times we are seeing criminals getting light sentences for terrible crimes they committed because they were abused, picked on, homeless, fired from their jobs, expelled from school, eating to much fatty foods or that the devil told them to do it.

WTF!!! Is he still a cop? If so.....why? Stupid people with guns should not be police....

But, this cop is a good guy. This took place 4 years ago, and he got promoted twice over so far. He is a Miami FL. cop and he even carries an automatic weapon in his patrol car since he is a supervisor. I don't know if he is really stupid, he speaks French and Spanish for there are a lot of Haitians and Cubans in Miami. Also he has a Masters degree. Maybe he was just careless (hopefully just that one time)....

...HIS COLLEGE EDUCATION IN no WAY MEANS HE IS NOT STUPID....AND NO...HE SHOULD NOT BE ALOWED TO CARRY A FIREARM...sorry about the caps....not be allowed to carry a firearm as a public servant. TGreene where for art thou my friend? Your description of his (one time mistake) is enough to further arguments about gun control. First of all cleaning any weapon in my living room with my wife and kids present is bad enough, but then to have it discharge with ammo in the chamber...? Dude...he should stay in college...become a grad student for lyfe.....


P.S...is this the same cop caught on video giving a demo to high school kids and had his revolver go off during his presentation?

I'll give him a call tonight and let him know he should resign his postion and then I'll call his shift commander and let him know also. Gee, thanks for setting me straight on this........

P.S.. what is "gun control"?. I think that most people favor some kind of control on the guns in our citiies. But what exactly does that mean is the problem with enacting legislation on gun control.

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

Actually, "Guns don't kill people; Stupid drivers talking on cell phones ."

...dude...all I'm saying is a person that is trained to handle and carry firearms as a public servant and then does what you describe is cause for that person to take serious stock of wether or not he or she should be allowed to carry any firearm. If not he or she...certainly their supervisor should review it. As far as Gun control....he is a poster child for why most people should NOT be allowed to own or handle firearms. If our own police are as stupid as the one you describe it only makes for more ammo for the anti-gun league....dig? I think Tradmans description comes into play here.

So by your reasoning, if he ass ends another vehicle, he should loose his job because he was careless?.....And if you agree with this statement, then all truck drivers should loose their jobs if they have accidents?? The thread was about wackos going off. The weapon discharging was an ACCIDENT. Yes it could have been avoided, but thats why they call them ACCIDENT. And just because someone made a mistake, doesn't make them stupid. He is a smart and honest cop.

See, to me your story makes clear the anti-gun argument.

We've already established that criminals seem to have no problem getting hold of guns, so let's assume that your robber has one.

Now why do you need one? To shoot at him as he runs by, provoking an unecessary firefight over insured cash? Wouldn't you be better just staying in your house and out of his way?

But let's imagine that he's not as smart as you reported (pretty smart, by the way) and does break into your house to get your car. Why do you need a gun now? To shoot at an armed man, provoking a firefight in an enclosed space with your family? Wouldn't you be better off giving him your fully insured car?

I think it would be obvious to most people that in the situation you described, adding more guns could only make it worse, and that you have to stretch your mind a long, long way into some kind of bizarre hostage scenario before there's any need at all for you to be waving one around.

Dude, you got no idea. There are cops out there that beat their wifes, beat thier kids, that are drunks and are still on the job. They are just people and they make mistakes like the rest of us.

But, this cop is a good guy. This took place 4 years ago, and he got promoted twice over so far. He is a Miami FL. cop and he even carries an automatic weapon in his patrol car since he is a supervisor. I don't know if he is really stupid, he speaks French and Spanish for there are a lot of Haitians and Cubans in Miami. Also he has a Masters degree. Maybe he was just careless (hopefully just that one time)....

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. :wink:

And yeah, the doctor statistic clearly describes how statistics ca be quickly turned around to something absurd :lol:

Actually, "Guns don't kill people; Stupid drivers talking on cell phones kill people."

I work with an ex cop. he quit because his co-workers disgusted him. Either they were stupid, crooked, or both.

okay....but there are good decent cops out there also. And I agree with you on the stats...if you read the earlier stat's that someone posted, it said accidental gun deaths. How about the gun deaths that was just plain murder. The number climbs drastically.............

The weapon discharging was an ACCIDENT. Yes it could have been avoided, but thats why they call them ACCIDENT. And just because someone made a mistake, doesn't make them stupid. He is a smart and honest cop.

Is there anyone who would seriously like to come forward and say that the US does not have a problem with guns?

I know a little about firearms, and I also know that what you have described is not referred to as an accident...

What you have described, would correctly and legally be referred to as a NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE.

Cheney as negligent as well, because he took a blind shot!

The difference in the 2 is huge, with 1 requiring NEGLIGENCE on the part of the operator. Failing to follow the rules of safety (especially when cleaning a weapon), is pure and simple negligence.

That said, I have in fact done the very same thing, and ended up putting a hole in my house... I WAS NEGLIGENT, and I'll never let myself forget it either!

Criminal no,but it could have been... Stupid YES!!!!

Had anyone been harmed during the negligent discharges that took place while cleaning firearms (mine happened when checking headspace after a rebuild), then charges could and should have been filed for criminal negligence - IE: Negligent Homicide is charged all the time.