As far as feminist angle goes, the only part that really bugged me was that the series wrapped up on a gal defining her future by way of the type of guy that she hoped to marry.

And that's what a feminist would do - hear a female talk about a guy,

A feminist is someone who thinks women have equal rights to men and are just as valuable as individuals. You seem to toss it out there like it's a dirty word.

Did you read the last part of my post? Ya know, the part where I say that if the artist didn't present the women's words, but rather her own agenda, it would just be propaganda?

The real point is, you didn't listen to her. The chick in the film said her interests came first, but the mere mention of a guy in her life called in the feminazi/misandrous outcries. That's when, IMO, the word becomes "dirty" - when we scoff at a woman's choice for marriage and even reproduction.

Actually, I did listen to her. And I went back and listened again after reading your last post to make sure I didn't misinterpret her.

My comment might have come off stronger than I intended, but what I was reacting to was the idea that a girl, not a woman, was thinking about "when she grew up and got married". Not if she met the right person, but when. When kids say that (and I thought this way too), it seems almost as though they see marriage and being grown up as part of the same thing. I would encourage my daughter, if I had one, to be happy about a possible future on her own or with a soul mate, since we can't really control whether or not we find one, but we really can trash things if we think that we need to.

The gal in the story also said that she didn't want anything to distract her from her goals (to which I say 'woohoo!'), so maybe it's really just not the time to be thinking about any kind of a partner?

That said, I think where I was really coming from with my comment about being 'bugged' more than actually caring much about this particular climber and her choices/fantasies about the future, was the common trend in women's climbing articles to discuss the women in the context of their men (or potential men in this case) whereas you just don't ever hear about the women in the male climbers life in articles about men's climbing. You hear about their climbing accomplishments with few exceptions.

Sorry this is a little all over the place, but with those thoughts above (hopefully) explained a little better, even if I disagree with her choice to talk about the kind of guy she'd like to marry in a NY Times peice about climbing women, and even though I get sick of the way our men are almost always part of stories about us, I wanted to end my post with a shrug of to each her own. And by each I mean both the girl who wants to marry a climber guy and the artist who told her story.

FWIW, I've been with my partner for 5 years, and we will probably get married, so you can't really say I'm anti-man or anti-marriage. He's really is part of my climbing goals and climbing experiences, but those experiences wouldn't be the first ones I'd include in an article about women climbers.

I was reacting to was the idea that a girl, not a woman, was thinking about "when she grew up and got married". Not if she met the right person, but when.

The gal in the story also said that she didn't want anything to distract her from her goals (to which I say 'woohoo!'), so maybe it's really just not the time to be thinking about any kind of a partner?

those pictures were hella lame. I didn't know climbing was all about holding your body rigid.

I know that you're trying to be a smart ass, but body tension is a huge part of climbing well.