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rocknice2
May 8, 2007, 1:00 AM
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I meant inexpensive. Some are of lesser quality than others but they all do the job. Some just do it for a longer period of time.
(This post was edited by rocknice2 on May 8, 2007, 1:01 AM)
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tanner
May 8, 2007, 1:11 AM
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Attention Noobs
Home Depot has cheap biners!!!
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richardvg03
May 8, 2007, 1:50 AM
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tanner wrote: Attention Noobs Home Depot has cheap biners!!!
What are you talking about?? I had to save up money to buy my home depot biners...
noob's be advised do not climb on home depot biners... people say they break... in all seriousness... don't climb on them!!
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gumbelina
May 8, 2007, 2:32 AM
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A-freakin-men! If those smileys are gonna just clutter up your garage, hows about you just mail 'em off in my direction? I'll treat 'em real good and make sure that they get the lovin' that such a wonderful, classic piece of pro deserves. Hexes, tricams, and aliens have their detractors, and though I disagree I can understand. If, however, you do not love smileys than you are simply not worthy of my respect!
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chossmonkey
May 8, 2007, 11:18 PM
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caughtinside wrote: We have got to do something about these n00bs! Maybe we could cull them, or something? before it is too late??
I don't think we need to do anything that drastic yet. There is still a chance the n00b's will cull themselves. Although I did see a couple of Queen n00b's this weekend with a whole nest full of n00b larvae in tow.
Anyway, I'm just trying to educate the n00bs so they will know that if they buy good gear and leave it behind it is not a waste. Where as if they by shitty gear or wreck a good piece of gear trying and failing to remove it, it will end up in the doldrums of the basement gear box or the trash. Becoming a true waste of their money.
I cherish the nice pieces of gear that n00bs have left me. Every time I plug a cam, slot a nut, or clip a draw that was left to me as an offering by a n00b, I think back to how excited I was to find a piece that will actually serve as a nice new functioning addition to my rack. I thank the climbing Gods for pointing me towards a route with booty I would have otherwise skipped because it was too easy. I might even have a moment of delusion where I think I wish I could buy the n00b a beer for leaving me good gear.
I am truly thankful for n00bs who have good gear and don't know how to remove it from the cliff when they are done.
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hosh
May 9, 2007, 12:01 AM
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If only we had n00bs gunking up our cracks with gear... All our trad leads are harder than the n00bs are willing to try and there aren't enough n00bs trying to learn trad here. Any n00bs want to bring some gear up to Juneau and leave it in cracks for me to find?
hosh.
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zeke_sf
May 9, 2007, 12:21 AM
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hosh wrote: Any n00bs want to bring some gear up to Juneau and leave it in cracks for me to find? hosh.
Sounds like you're looking for some rock climbing version of the Easter Bunny.
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medicus
May 9, 2007, 12:24 AM
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Anytime I have to bail, I always just cut the wire, so that you don't have to worry about getting it back out of the crack when you see it.
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medicus
May 9, 2007, 12:29 AM
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hosh wrote: If only we had n00bs gunking up our cracks with gear... All our trad leads are harder than the n00bs are willing to try and there aren't enough n00bs trying to learn trad here. Any n00bs want to bring some gear up to Juneau and leave it in cracks for me to find? hosh.
If you'll pay my way up there, I'm sure I can "accidentally" leave a nut or two in a crack so you can get it later.
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tigerlilly
May 9, 2007, 1:22 PM
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"rocknice2 wrote: Be glad we don't pay high performance bicycle prices 
Yes. How is it that a handlebar stem, two pieces of modestly machined aluminum and a few bolts, can cost as much or more than a cam, with all that machining, stitching, springs, wires and testing?
It's what the market will bear, I guess.
Kathy
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zeke_sf
May 9, 2007, 1:46 PM
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tigerlilly wrote: "rocknice2 wrote: Be glad we don't pay high performance bicycle prices Yes. How is it that a handlebar stem, two pieces of modestly machined aluminum and a few bolts, can cost as much or more than a cam, with all that machining, stitching, springs, wires and testing? It's what the market will bear, I guess. Kathy
Fat, lycra-clad yuppies. They are the reason for expensive bicycle parts. I saw so many in the Marin hills last weekend. Tricked out bikes, dressed like Lance, and struggling uphill in the fat gear because they apparently haven't figured out the shifting mechanism on a ride that costs more than the truck I'm driving. Do these aerodynamically challenged blobs really need the same bike that won the Tour? *Rant Over*
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the_climber
May 9, 2007, 5:32 PM
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gumbelina wrote: A-freakin-men! If those smileys are gonna just clutter up your garage, hows about you just mail 'em off in my direction? I'll treat 'em real good and make sure that they get the lovin' that such a wonderful, classic piece of pro deserves. Hexes, tricams, and aliens have their detractors, and though I disagree I can understand. If, however, you do not love smileys than you are simply not worthy of my respect!
Smileys are da bomb. Tough and affordable... too bad they don't sell them anymore... the OP's just aren't the same.
As for some of the other stuff.... there is a LOT of mank left around.
To the nOOb's: GET A FREAKIN' NUT TOOL AND LEARN HOW TO USE IT!
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caughtinside
May 9, 2007, 5:42 PM
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zeke_sf wrote: tigerlilly wrote: "rocknice2 wrote: Be glad we don't pay high performance bicycle prices Yes. How is it that a handlebar stem, two pieces of modestly machined aluminum and a few bolts, can cost as much or more than a cam, with all that machining, stitching, springs, wires and testing? It's what the market will bear, I guess. Kathy Fat, lycra-clad yuppies. They are the reason for expensive bicycle parts. I saw so many in the Marin hills last weekend. Tricked out bikes, dressed like Lance, and struggling uphill in the fat gear because they apparently haven't figured out the shifting mechanism on a ride that costs more than the truck I'm driving. Do these aerodynamically challenged blobs really need the same bike that won the Tour? *Rant Over*
oh man. I totally have a US postal jersey that my blob like body sports when I go riding. burned. 
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zeke_sf
May 9, 2007, 6:24 PM
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caughtinside wrote: zeke_sf wrote: tigerlilly wrote: "rocknice2 wrote: Be glad we don't pay high performance bicycle prices Yes. How is it that a handlebar stem, two pieces of modestly machined aluminum and a few bolts, can cost as much or more than a cam, with all that machining, stitching, springs, wires and testing? It's what the market will bear, I guess. Kathy Fat, lycra-clad yuppies. They are the reason for expensive bicycle parts. I saw so many in the Marin hills last weekend. Tricked out bikes, dressed like Lance, and struggling uphill in the fat gear because they apparently haven't figured out the shifting mechanism on a ride that costs more than the truck I'm driving. Do these aerodynamically challenged blobs really need the same bike that won the Tour? *Rant Over* oh man. I totally have a US postal jersey that my blob like body sports when I go riding. burned.
Well, I didn't want to say anything directly to you, but....Acknowledging the problem is the first step, man. I'm proud 
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bandycoot
May 9, 2007, 6:34 PM
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How dare you diss Smileys! Those things rule! I'll go head to head with you on lead.... I get one set of Smileys, you get one set of whatever nuts you want. We'll see if Smileys are n00b gear or not! 
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Yea its "feckin" funny how all these so called professionals seem to have appeared on a rock with the all knowing knowledge of EVERYTHING to do with climbing. Just one day should up and knew everything......Since Ive been climbing Ive met alot of these types....no wonder they're not getting paid! I realized that arrogance is way worse than ignorance, and stupidity loves arrogance feckers....
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caughtinside
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steeper wrote: Yea its "feckin" funny how all these so called professionals seem to have appeared on a rock with the all knowing knowledge of EVERYTHING to do with climbing. Just one day should up and knew everything......Since Ive been climbing Ive met alot of these types....no wonder they're not getting paid! I realized that arrogance is way worse than ignorance, and stupidity loves arrogance feckers....
let's cull this guy.
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zeke_sf
May 9, 2007, 8:02 PM
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^^^Don't bother. I think he'll cull himself. Get himself culled he will.
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bobruef
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desertdude420 wrote: This is a silly argument. The reason all climbing gear is so expensive is because it all has to pass the same stringent standardized safety tests before it can be put into production. Are you saying that some companies don't test their products?! C'mon man! Any free biner is just as safe as the other, certain brands of harnesses don't fail more than others, etc... Just don't buy anything home-made and you'll be fine!
good god!
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hosh
May 9, 2007, 8:39 PM
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I think it's really funny that I posted that there's never any gear to get here in Juneau, then I went climbing last night and lo and behold, there was a #11 BD nut left in a crack for me. Too bad I knew the owner and have too much of a conscience so I'm trying to get the nut back to it's rightful owner. But if it was a cam, then it might be a different story...
hosh.
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deane
May 9, 2007, 8:43 PM
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Isn't that what cheap gear is for? We N00BS can buy cheap gear and not worry about having to lose $80 every time we make a bad placement. N00BS UNITE!!!!
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the_climber
May 9, 2007, 9:50 PM
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In reply to: cheap gear and not worry about having to lose $80 every time we make a bad placement. N00BS UNITE!!!!
Um, NO! Like I said earlier:
Get a blood ef'n NUT TOOL and learn how to use it!
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nefarius
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rocknice2 wrote: desertdude420 wrote: This is a silly argument. The reason all climbing gear is so expensive is because it all has to pass the same stringent standardized safety tests In reality climbing gear is cheap. Many many parts make up a cam. Some parts require multiple operation to manufacture. All of which need to be assembled. Then quality controlled, this step is relatively small part of the hole process. A $60. cam - retail markup - transport = not much $200. for Oakley sunglasses is expensive Be glad we don't pay high performance bicycle prices
Aint this the truth... I spent a day helping my friend Tom make some Valley Giants. There is a LOT of work that goes into those things. Quite a few man hours into each cam. The material isn't cheap either. Since we made a couple for me, the least I could do was pitch in some materials for him.
So, when people start whining about the cost of a regular cam, and knowing the cost of materials for things (yes, I realize they buy in huge quantity and get discounted, but still....) I'm gonna laugh! Considering this stuff saves your bacon, it's really pretty reasonable.
I still think soft gear are WAY overpriced, but maybe I'm missing something here too...
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richardvg03
May 10, 2007, 1:06 AM
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the_climber wrote: In reply to: Get a blood ef'n NUT TOOL and learn how to use it! so... how do you use that nut tool???
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sactownclimber
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rocknice2 wrote: A $60. cam - retail markup - transport = not much $200. for Oakley sunglasses is expensive ]
True, but you don't need a dozen pairs of Oakley's to go do whatever it is you do while wearing Oakley's.
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