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notapplicable
Mar 9, 2008, 6:06 AM
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zeke_sf wrote: He's had two years to do it now.
Hold up.
These bolts are still in place?
Edited because my dumb ass cant even use a simple quote function.
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healyje
Mar 9, 2008, 6:27 AM
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miavzero wrote: The world needs new bolt-choppers about as much as it needs new retro-bolters.
The notion there is anything whatsoever wrong with removing egregiously placed bolts is an irrational and unsupportble stance which merely contributes to problems such as this.
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chossmonkey
Mar 9, 2008, 7:36 PM
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notapplicable wrote: zeke_sf wrote: He's had two years to do it now. Hold up. These bolts are still in place? Edited because my dumb ass cant even use a simple quote function.
Doubtful, this thread was necromanced with no relation to the OP.
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drjghl
Mar 9, 2008, 10:25 PM
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miavzero
Mar 10, 2008, 12:00 AM
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healyje wrote: miavzero wrote: The world needs new bolt-choppers about as much as it needs new retro-bolters. The notion there is anything whatsoever wrong with removing egregiously placed bolts is an irrational and unsupportble stance which merely contributes to problems such as this.
I'm not trying to justify the existence of unnecessary bolts. Given the choice, I would rather that they are removed and never reappear. Unfortunatley this is rarely the case, and bolts end up getting chopped, replaced, chopped, and replaced until the rock becomes a stud filled mess, or land managers realize that climbers are not capable of policing themselves and shut down climbing areas.
Who gets left blind by the eye-for-eye?
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notapplicable
Mar 10, 2008, 3:45 AM
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chossmonkey wrote: notapplicable wrote: zeke_sf wrote: He's had two years to do it now. Hold up. These bolts are still in place? Edited because my dumb ass cant even use a simple quote function. Doubtful, this thread was necromanced with no relation to the OP.
Yeah I guess I probably read that wrong.
It just struck me as implying that they are still in place.
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healyje
Mar 10, 2008, 5:30 AM
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miavzero wrote: healyje wrote: miavzero wrote: The world needs new bolt-choppers about as much as it needs new retro-bolters. The notion there is anything whatsoever wrong with removing egregiously placed bolts is an irrational and unsupportble stance which merely contributes to problems such as this. I'm not trying to justify the existence of unnecessary bolts. Given the choice, I would rather that they are removed and never reappear. Unfortunatley this is rarely the case, and bolts end up getting chopped, replaced, chopped, and replaced until the rock becomes a stud filled mess, or land managers realize that climbers are not capable of policing themselves and shut down climbing areas. Who gets left blind by the eye-for-eye?
Actually, the reality is bolt-wars are the exception, not the rule. There are no shortage of bolt-wars that went on, mostly in the late 80's and early 90's, but these days it usually suffices to ask whomever placed them to remove inappropriate bolts or bolted on holds. If it doesn't, then simply removing them typically ends the matter. If it doesn't, then you will be faced with some difficult decisions - I'd personally err on the side of well-patched rock.
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pro4pros
Mar 10, 2008, 11:57 PM
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While Im in absolute agreement, perhaps we should spend less time posting to this thread and begin polishing our pitch forks and torches.
Im not only advocating an angry militia armed with crowbars, but 'education.' Lets prune this ideology where it buds - the rock gym. Too many ambitious climbers are being pumped out with a new cord, a shiny set of draws, and not the slightest notion of ethics.
If we dont take the time to inform coming generations of gym rats as ravenous to bag routs as we were as traditional climbers, defilements like this will only continue.
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keegan540
Mar 11, 2008, 2:24 PM
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If this is still an issue I'm in favor of dynamiting the entire crag. That'll teach em'!!!
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pro4pros
Mar 11, 2008, 4:08 PM
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Naw, better just to file all crux bolts down razor sharp and sh*t in chalk buckets.
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