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summerprophet


Aug 18, 2008, 5:34 AM
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jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
99% of the people in these countries are just like us, just looking to feed their families, watch their kids grow up and lead a peaceful life outside of the politics and warmongering that is so prevelent in the news....
Saying all Pakistanies are bad, rogues, or terrorists is roughly equivalent to saying all americans are Amish.

Totally naive. Consider:

Percentage of Pakistani Muslims who believe that suicide bombings are justified: 29%*

Percentage of American Amish who belief that suicide bombings are justified: 0%**

*2005 Pew Global Attitudes Project.
** 2008 jt512 hunch.

Jay


You want to quote statistics?
Which country has contributed towards the most deaths in the last 50 years? In the last 100 years?
Which country has the largest supply of munitions designed to cause the death of other humans on the planet? Per person?
Who out of all the members of NATO has the most violations of the Geneva convention?
Which is the only developed industrialized nation to condone the death sentence? To condone Torture?

Would you be opposed to an independent group not organised by US government (say PETA for example) performing suicide bombings if Pakistani troops were occupying your state?

I doubt it, chances are you would just ignore it, as you are ignoring this as well. Ignorance and indifference are going to be the downfall of this country of yours, and you are going to slide into it without a care, peacefully hypnotized by your HD TV and high speed internet.

Your attitude saddens me more than angers me jt. I would like to wish you were a substantial minority, but sadly I am discovering you aren't.

Pakistan happens to be a first world country with similar ideals and policies as the US. The country as a whole does not condone terrorism, nor does the government in power. You are talking about a minority of people that you are prepared to persecute the majority for.


kachoong


Aug 18, 2008, 1:42 PM
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summerprophet wrote:
Dude, you just had a TEXAN imply you had gone overboard with that statement. Might wanna take that into consideration.

Seriously though, remember that 99% of the people in these countries are just like us, just looking to feed their families, watch their kids grow up and lead a peaceful life outside of the politics and warmongering that is so prevelent in the news.

Saying all Pakistanies are bad, rogues, or terrorists is roughly equivalent to saying all americans are Amish.

...well thank you for implying that I am a pot calling the kettle black just coz I live in Texas...Unsure It seems that people judge others by where they live rather than who they are. A bit of research and you would notice I am a widely traveled Australian, but who also thinks that yes, this guys post, considering his other posts lately, has taken the posts he replied too waaaaaay out of context!


summerprophet wrote:
jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
99% of the people in these countries are just like us, just looking to feed their families, watch their kids grow up and lead a peaceful life outside of the politics and warmongering that is so prevelent in the news....
Saying all Pakistanies are bad, rogues, or terrorists is roughly equivalent to saying all americans are Amish.

Totally naive. Consider:

Percentage of Pakistani Muslims who believe that suicide bombings are justified: 29%*

Percentage of American Amish who belief that suicide bombings are justified: 0%**

*2005 Pew Global Attitudes Project.
** 2008 jt512 hunch.

Jay


You want to quote statistics?
Which country has contributed towards the most deaths in the last 50 years? In the last 100 years?
Which country has the largest supply of munitions designed to cause the death of other humans on the planet? Per person?
Who out of all the members of NATO has the most violations of the Geneva convention?
Which is the only developed industrialized nation to condone the death sentence? To condone Torture?

Would you be opposed to an independent group not organised by US government (say PETA for example) performing suicide bombings if Pakistani troops were occupying your state?

I doubt it, chances are you would just ignore it, as you are ignoring this as well. Ignorance and indifference are going to be the downfall of this country of yours, and you are going to slide into it without a care, peacefully hypnotized by your HD TV and high speed internet.

Your attitude saddens me more than angers me jt. I would like to wish you were a substantial minority, but sadly I am discovering you aren't.

Pakistan happens to be a first world country with similar ideals and policies as the US. The country as a whole does not condone terrorism, nor does the government in power. You are talking about a minority of people that you are prepared to persecute the majority for.

Think about your last sentence and what you are implying overall!


jt512


Aug 18, 2008, 4:05 PM
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summerprophet wrote:
jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
99% of the people in these countries are just like us, just looking to feed their families, watch their kids grow up and lead a peaceful life outside of the politics and warmongering that is so prevelent in the news....
Saying all Pakistanies are bad, rogues, or terrorists is roughly equivalent to saying all americans are Amish.

Totally naive. Consider:

Percentage of Pakistani Muslims who believe that suicide bombings are justified: 29%*

Percentage of American Amish who belief that suicide bombings are justified: 0%**

*2005 Pew Global Attitudes Project.
** 2008 jt512 hunch.

Jay

You want to quote statistics?
Which country has contributed towards the most deaths in the last 50 years? In the last 100 years?
Which country has the largest supply of munitions designed to cause the death of other humans on the planet? Per person?
Who out of all the members of NATO has the most violations of the Geneva convention?
Which is the only developed industrialized nation to condone the death sentence? To condone Torture?

...

Pakistan happens to be a first world country with similar ideals and policies as the US.

Brilliant!

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Ignorance and indifference are going to be the downfall of this country of yours, and you are going to slide into it without a care, peacefully hypnotized by your HD TV and high speed internet.

Ignorance and indifference are the downfall of this country! They are what allowed 9/11 to occur. They are what allowed a fundamentalist Christian to be elected, and re-elected, President. They are what has allowed us to come within 1/2 vote on the Supreme Court of a ban on a woman's right to an abortion. They are why we are in a constant struggle to prevent Bible stories from being taught as fact in science classes. And so on.

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Your attitude saddens me more than angers me jt. I would like to wish you were a substantial minority, but sadly I am discovering you aren't.... The country as a whole does not condone terrorism, nor does the government in power. You are talking about a minority of people that you are prepared to persecute the majority for.

My attitude is a minority, which is what has allowed religious fundamentalists to bring this country to its knees. It is not I, but you, who is ignorant and indifferent. I see the clear and present danger that religious fundamentalism poses to modern civilization. You, on the other hand, look at a statistic like "29% of Pakistani Muslims favor suicide bombing," and instead of finding that alarming, actually brush it off as "a minority of people." How much more ignorant and indifferent can you get than that?

Jay


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Aug 18, 2008, 8:29 PM
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Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?


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carabiner96 wrote:
Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?

It's August.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?

It's August.

Damn you and your attention to detail!


sungam


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?

It's August.
gotta dry tool FTW on the mixed.


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carabiner96 wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?

It's August.

Damn you and your attention to detail!

yeah, it's still hands and feet season. no dry tooling here until it's too cold in the Gunks, then I you can come out to play.


anykineclimb


Aug 19, 2008, 5:38 AM
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Gmburns2000 wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?

It's August.

perfect time to buy.

I did get some Scarpa Fruit boots


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kachoong wrote:
A bit of research and you would notice I am a widely traveled Australian...

Yeah, right! Pull the other one.

If you weren't a Texan, why do you have that funny little Texan Cola Bear in your profile pic?


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Uhm, so....anyone get any shiny new crampons lately?

It's August.

Damn you and your attention to detail!

yeah, it's still hands and feet season. no dry tooling here until it's too cold in the Gunks, then I you can come out to play.
dri tewling tha gunks?
Oh noes!!! cutz the rope! cutz it now!!! land on the ledge!


crackers


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
yeah, it's still hands and feet season. no dry tooling here until it's too cold in the Gunks, then I you can come out to play.

kingston quarry.


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wow your so lucky I dream of going there one day


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jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
99% of the people in these countries are just like us, just looking to feed their families, watch their kids grow up and lead a peaceful life outside of the politics and warmongering that is so prevelent in the news....
Saying all Pakistanies are bad, rogues, or terrorists is roughly equivalent to saying all americans are Amish.

Totally naive. Consider:

Percentage of Pakistani Muslims who believe that suicide bombings are justified: 29%*

Percentage of American Amish who belief that suicide bombings are justified: 0%**

*2005 Pew Global Attitudes Project.
** 2008 jt512 hunch.

Jay

You want to quote statistics?
Which country has contributed towards the most deaths in the last 50 years? In the last 100 years?
Which country has the largest supply of munitions designed to cause the death of other humans on the planet? Per person?
Who out of all the members of NATO has the most violations of the Geneva convention?
Which is the only developed industrialized nation to condone the death sentence? To condone Torture?

...

Pakistan happens to be a first world country with similar ideals and policies as the US.

Brilliant!

In reply to:
Ignorance and indifference are going to be the downfall of this country of yours, and you are going to slide into it without a care, peacefully hypnotized by your HD TV and high speed internet.

Ignorance and indifference are the downfall of this country! They are what allowed 9/11 to occur. They are what allowed a fundamentalist Christian to be elected, and re-elected, President. They are what has allowed us to come within 1/2 vote on the Supreme Court of a ban on a woman's right to an abortion. They are why we are in a constant struggle to prevent Bible stories from being taught as fact in science classes. And so on.

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Your attitude saddens me more than angers me jt. I would like to wish you were a substantial minority, but sadly I am discovering you aren't.... The country as a whole does not condone terrorism, nor does the government in power. You are talking about a minority of people that you are prepared to persecute the majority for.

My attitude is a minority, which is what has allowed religious fundamentalists to bring this country to its knees. It is not I, but you, who is ignorant and indifferent. I see the clear and present danger that religious fundamentalism poses to modern civilization. You, on the other hand, look at a statistic like "29% of Pakistani Muslims favor suicide bombing," and instead of finding that alarming, actually brush it off as "a minority of people." How much more ignorant and indifferent can you get than that?

Jay


Jay

you have zero understanding of international politics.


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summerprophet wrote:
You are talking about a minority of people that you are prepared to persecute the majority for.

Look at that sentence. He ended it with a preposition.

Some would consider that poor grammar. However, I think it's ok.

I wonder what others think about it.


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majid_sabet wrote:
jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
jt512 wrote:
summerprophet wrote:
99% of the people in these countries are just like us, just looking to feed their families, watch their kids grow up and lead a peaceful life outside of the politics and warmongering that is so prevelent in the news....
Saying all Pakistanies are bad, rogues, or terrorists is roughly equivalent to saying all americans are Amish.

Totally naive. Consider:

Percentage of Pakistani Muslims who believe that suicide bombings are justified: 29%*

Percentage of American Amish who belief that suicide bombings are justified: 0%**

*2005 Pew Global Attitudes Project.
** 2008 jt512 hunch.

Jay

You want to quote statistics?
Which country has contributed towards the most deaths in the last 50 years? In the last 100 years?
Which country has the largest supply of munitions designed to cause the death of other humans on the planet? Per person?
Who out of all the members of NATO has the most violations of the Geneva convention?
Which is the only developed industrialized nation to condone the death sentence? To condone Torture?

...

Pakistan happens to be a first world country with similar ideals and policies as the US.

Brilliant!

In reply to:
Ignorance and indifference are going to be the downfall of this country of yours, and you are going to slide into it without a care, peacefully hypnotized by your HD TV and high speed internet.

Ignorance and indifference are the downfall of this country! They are what allowed 9/11 to occur. They are what allowed a fundamentalist Christian to be elected, and re-elected, President. They are what has allowed us to come within 1/2 vote on the Supreme Court of a ban on a woman's right to an abortion. They are why we are in a constant struggle to prevent Bible stories from being taught as fact in science classes. And so on.

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Your attitude saddens me more than angers me jt. I would like to wish you were a substantial minority, but sadly I am discovering you aren't.... The country as a whole does not condone terrorism, nor does the government in power. You are talking about a minority of people that you are prepared to persecute the majority for.

My attitude is a minority, which is what has allowed religious fundamentalists to bring this country to its knees. It is not I, but you, who is ignorant and indifferent. I see the clear and present danger that religious fundamentalism poses to modern civilization. You, on the other hand, look at a statistic like "29% of Pakistani Muslims favor suicide bombing," and instead of finding that alarming, actually brush it off as "a minority of people." How much more ignorant and indifferent can you get than that?

Jay


Jay

you have zero understanding of international politics.

But I have a great understanding of the danger of religion.

Jay

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