Jesus Christ! Forget that I asked for route advice in here. I can only imagine what you sissies bitch like on an alpine climb... Do you even have an idea about how much is takes to try one of these routes? (Two dead partners and who knows how many close calls)
Let me specify the question: Any recommendations from ALPINE climbers, who actually do REAL alpine climbs? (Posers need not respond)

I have recently been thinking about how I choose my alpine routes and realized that the history, reputation and commitment of the route are the most important factors.
I am talking about routes like North Face of the Eiger, Compressor route on Cerro Torre and Cassin Ridge on Denali.
The reason I’m asking this is that most of us (who are not professional) only have time for a certain amount of routes in our career, so I would like to pick out THE alpine classics route list with hard, committing but doable routes (no altitude snow slogs and no extreme free climbs). Apart from the mentioned routes these other routes come to mind:

-Changabang, North Face, British 1997 route
-Fitz Roy, Super Couloir
-Cerro Torre, West Face, Ferrai route
-Cerro Standhart, Exocet
-Mont Blanc, Grand Pilier D’Angel
-Matterhorn, North Face
-Hunter, Moonflower Buttress
-Foraker, Infinite Spur
-Ama Dablam, West Face
-Cholatse, North Face
-Kwangde, North Face
-Nameless Tower, (any route)

What other routes would qualify for this list?
(Please don’t respond if you got nothing serious to contribute)

I apologize to the rest of you for this, but taking shit from posers like Dingus and Valarc makes me pretty aggro.

No majid. Read the post again. I’ve got nothing against you. At least you have been in the mountains unlike the two fags above.

Are you drunk or just naturally an ass? I probably don't even need to remind you that you're total jerk, because you must hear that a lot, but thanks, I'll leave the slopes to you. I'm 26, so I've got plenty of time to tick every climb on this list.

I don' see anything dingus said was being an ass, graniteboy sure was though.
By the way, how big is yer penish?

You show me your I'll show you mine, Rose.
OH YEAH!

Don't do it, he's crazy he will, I swear.

I should be one to talk, my shit smells like roses, you know.

Hey magnus, I found robin williams making fun of the scots last night while I couldn't sleep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_OmnP527Dw

I'm really, really sorry if I insulted you, Dingus....but I just couldn't help myself. Especially because elsewhere in here on the alpine thread yesterday, I was reading how you gleefully proclaimed your repeated failures on one of the easiest alpine rock routes in the Sierra (Swiss arete) several times, then damn near got lost on the way down once you finally DID get up the goddamned thing, because you were descending the south fork of Big pine creek...as if that were any kind of problem that would even slow down any real alpinist....... Hell, you even thanked me for giving you the beta on that "tough" descent.....

Given the fact that I regularly freesolo routes like that car to car in under 12 hrs, have been up denali a few times, including a solo of the west rib, damn near pulleld off a solo of Foraker, have been guiding on ice and snow and rock since 1978, etc etc, I found it sort of odd that you'd be pitting your "knowledge" of alpinism and what makes a classic big alpine route against mine.

But hell, my apologies anyway, DMT..... I'll steer clear of any and all threads you may happen to be mangling with your halfassed alpine "knowledge" or "wisdom" from now on, just to avoid getting in your face and making your face turn red with a mixture of anger, insecurity, and embarrassment. And as a consequence, young alpinists in here will not benefit from my 30 some odd years living and climbing and guiing in the sierras. Oh well. I like my mountains empty anyway.

Oh, and BTW, another route that oughta be put on the "list" would be that 5.9 route in antarctica that Mugs soloed about a year before his death......don't recall the name, but it was a fine looking line.

@ graniteboy: Fuck’em, they’re all posers anyway

It really disappoint me that the discussion degenerated into childish name calling, but what can you expect when there might only be a handful of serious alpinists using this website that primarily attracts gym and sofa climbers…