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arthurdeko


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1959 wrote:
The dude was on a less than 30' line....that's 30 feet to the anchors...MAX. He rapped off the end?!? of his line!?!
Apparently he's fine, gashed his eye and cracked 2 ribs. Someone got spooked and called emergency services because he couldn't "walk" out to his car.
I wasn't there but that's what I got.

Analysis: Gym climbing hardman got sandbagged by rap maneuver....wept like a pre-schooler after seeing the drippy red stuff, the sobbing hurt, so he gasped for mommy to make it all better again.
Result: FIASCO....
Empathy: Light
Sympathy: None
Lesson: Some people ain't supposed to climb

Analysis: Mother's basement dwelling hardman gets on internet forum...decided to run his mouth while hiding behind veil of anonymity.
Result: FIASCO....
Empathy: None
Sympathy: None
Lesson: The purpose of a forum is to help educate a "community" on a particular topic. Flame wars and unsolicited criticism draw attention away from the real purpose of the forum leading to further lack of awareness. The purpose of a community is to support, educate and encourage members of that community. These activities help a community grow and keep people safe. Exclusion and elitist rants serve to divide communities and drive out members.

Lesson #2: Karma's a bitch. Who will be around when you've made a mistake you never thought you would? Who will wipe you tears when you see the red spots on the ground and hear the gurgle in your lungs?


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1959 wrote:
REALITY CHECK

This week East Coast....

Died....guy fell off 5.3 at the Gunks NY
Died....49 yr old female Doctor blew #4BD micronut and decked 30' up a totally protectable 5.9G at Seneca WV
Died....24 yr old young woman unanchored on a 100% safe ridge walk near Seneca WV
Decked....guy rapped off the end of his rope on a 30' line at Birdsboro

Wake up....we are not talking about slipping on the sidewalk. If you are offended by the truth, not the facts, the truth....gravity is NOT your FRIEND....then stay on the couch and watch sports.

And to those who think name calling is rational discussion....grow up a little.

Look friends....climbing is inherently dangerous. Access to crags is a privilege. Injury and death are no-joke, and adverse publicity about our beloved activity results in crag closures.

Being responsible is not just about self. We are a community, what one foolish person does affects us all.
Let's not sugar coat the truth, you DO have a responsibility to the community.

Yes I am new to this forum...whoop-de-do
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ok..

I will write it so you understand it.

Your a dick... Better??Tongue


adh24


Oct 16, 2008, 1:38 PM
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A little late on this but didn’t realize a thread had started already. I’m the climber’s partner from that day and would just like to thank those that helped out. My partner seemed to have covered all the details but doesn’t hurt to add my perspective.

It was our third and last climb of the day. We previously had climbed High Stepping and Like a Slabby Virgin on the long slab section. We then decided to do a short cool down climb. Headed over to the Zorro section where we decided on climbing the unnamed 5.8 to finish off the day. A nice easy relaxing climb. I lead the route and was lowered and then my partner TR to finish off the day. After going off belay, once he reached the shuts, I began to gather up our gear in prep for the walk back to the car. As stated before this is where we both agreed the mistake occurred. Had I been more vigilant until my partner had been on the ground safely this accident would have been completely avoided. As my head was down digging in my pack (facing in the direction of the newly bolted route Jenga with my partner above me to my left) he landed without any prior signal of distress or warning directly to my left nearly falling on me. Now for those who are family with this section of Birdsboro you know how unforgiving the ground is (i.e. many large boulders, jagged in nature strewn about). My partner was lucky enough to avoid two of the larger rocks on the ground in area of his landing but not all.

Not seeing what actually happened and not knowing from what height he had fallen from I had calmed him as much as once can as to prevent him from moving, as there was no knowledge to the extend of injury that was inflicted on his spine and neck (not to mention any internal damage). Once I had another party contact first responders I proceeded to dress the head wound. This brings me to another lessoned learned. First aid kits. I always threw mine in my pack thinking “when am I ever going to use this”. I’ll definitely never go any where without it. EMTS where very quick to respond and were on scene with in 10 minutes.

So what can be taken away from this?

Stay aware and stay in communication with your partner’s actions at all times whether they’re 100 feet up or 30 feet up. In sight or out of view. When learning a new skill and/or technique in climbing we all seem to go through a system of checks before confirming if the next action we perform will be safe. Regardless whether you have performed this task hundreds of times continue to perform those checks and analyses to safe guard pending actions. Don’t become complacent in what your are doing. As I just stated you are in harms way at 30 feet just as much as you are at 100 feet.

As for the troll b*tching to walk it off and rub some mud on it, when YOU see a fellow climber hit the ground in the manner in which my partner did, not knowing the height of which he fell or the extend of the injuries I guarantee YOU would take all the necessary precautions that were taken in this situation. And if not my you choke on your 8 side dice while playing Dungeons and Dragons in your mom’s basement.

If I’ve missed anything or something is unclear feel free to fire back any questions.


lodi5onu


Oct 16, 2008, 1:58 PM
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Why did you only do 3 climbs?


jdefazio


Oct 16, 2008, 2:00 PM
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adh24 wrote:
...And if not my you choke on your 8 side dice while playing Dungeons and Dragons in your mom’s basement.

^^^^^^
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

Boom.


dynosore


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I don't know what's scarier....the fact that this happened, or the underlying tone of this thread that such mistakes are inevitable.

These types of mistakes DO NOT happen to competent climbers, sorry. We all make mistakes, but not like this. A total disregard for safety. There are MULTIPLE errors here. Not looking down to see where the ends of your rope are(!), not tying a knot in the ends, AND no rappel backup? If I were you, I'd think long and hard about some of your habits, while you still can.

This might be somewhat understandable if you were rapping off a 12 pitch climb in a thunderstorm, but a 30 foot crag? Geez.


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Bagelo


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I completely agree with the previous post. This is a very unfortunate accident and I'm glad to hear the climber survived. I'm not sure how many times I've heard this before even on this site alone but PLEASE add knots to the ends of your rope and consider a back up belay when rapping people...

I hope you have a speedy recovery!


crimpandgo


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adh24 wrote:
A little late on this but didn’t realize a thread had started already. I’m the climber’s partner from that day and would just like to thank those that helped out. My partner seemed to have covered all the details but doesn’t hurt to add my perspective.

It was our third and last climb of the day. We previously had climbed High Stepping and Like a Slabby Virgin on the long slab section. We then decided to do a short cool down climb. Headed over to the Zorro section where we decided on climbing the unnamed 5.8 to finish off the day. A nice easy relaxing climb. I lead the route and was lowered and then my partner TR to finish off the day. After going off belay, once he reached the shuts, I began to gather up our gear in prep for the walk back to the car. As stated before this is where we both agreed the mistake occurred. Had I been more vigilant until my partner had been on the ground safely this accident would have been completely avoided. As my head was down digging in my pack (facing in the direction of the newly bolted route Jenga with my partner above me to my left) he landed without any prior signal of distress or warning directly to my left nearly falling on me. Now for those who are family with this section of Birdsboro you know how unforgiving the ground is (i.e. many large boulders, jagged in nature strewn about). My partner was lucky enough to avoid two of the larger rocks on the ground in area of his landing but not all.

Not seeing what actually happened and not knowing from what height he had fallen from I had calmed him as much as once can as to prevent him from moving, as there was no knowledge to the extend of injury that was inflicted on his spine and neck (not to mention any internal damage). Once I had another party contact first responders I proceeded to dress the head wound. This brings me to another lessoned learned. First aid kits. I always threw mine in my pack thinking “when am I ever going to use this”. I’ll definitely never go any where without it. EMTS where very quick to respond and were on scene with in 10 minutes.

So what can be taken away from this?

Stay aware and stay in communication with your partner’s actions at all times whether they’re 100 feet up or 30 feet up. In sight or out of view. When learning a new skill and/or technique in climbing we all seem to go through a system of checks before confirming if the next action we perform will be safe. Regardless whether you have performed this task hundreds of times continue to perform those checks and analyses to safe guard pending actions. Don’t become complacent in what your are doing. As I just stated you are in harms way at 30 feet just as much as you are at 100 feet.

As for the troll b*tching to walk it off and rub some mud on it, when YOU see a fellow climber hit the ground in the manner in which my partner did, not knowing the height of which he fell or the extend of the injuries I guarantee YOU would take all the necessary precautions that were taken in this situation. And if not my you choke on your 8 side dice while playing Dungeons and Dragons in your mom’s basement.

If I’ve missed anything or something is unclear feel free to fire back any questions.

Nice post....

but I still feel its the climbers ultimate responsiblity to make sure he/she raps down safely... not the person on the ground. Your attention on the ground is a plus at most. If the person rapping has any doubt the ropes end have hit bottom, they take responsibility not to rap down until they get confirmation from someone on the ground.

Sorry, but anything else is just shucking your ultimate responsibility to watch out for your own safety..


kennoyce


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I agree completely with you. Once a climber is "off Belay" It is no longer the belayers responsibility to watch what is going on. At this point it is the climbers responsibility to watch the ends of the rope, and make sure they reach the ground, or tie knots into the ends, or ask the belayer to confirm that they are on the ground. I don't want to sound like a jerk, and I am glad that the climber made it out ok, but like has been said, how many rapping accidents have happened in the last few months. I think it is time that we start paying more attention as climbers. I'll be the first to admit that there was I time that I was very complacent when it came to rapping, and didn't pay as much attention as I should have, Then I watched a friend fall 50 feet to the ground on his back when he tried rapping off of an unanchored rope while setting up multiple top ropes. Since then I am extremely cautious when rapping. I know that there are many people who have not had any first hand experience with a rapping accident, but come on, there are enough stories on the internet to make everyone much more cautious. Once again I hope that the injured climber has a speedy recovery, but lets all use this as a lesson, and pay more attention when rapping.


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dynosore wrote:
I don't know what's scarier....the fact that this happened, or the underlying tone of this thread that such mistakes are inevitable.

These types of mistakes DO NOT happen to competent climbers, sorry. We all make mistakes, but not like this. A total disregard for safety. There are MULTIPLE errors here. Not looking down to see where the ends of your rope are(!), not tying a knot in the ends, AND no rappel backup? If I were you, I'd think long and hard about some of your habits, while you still can.

This might be somewhat understandable if you were rapping off a 12 pitch climb in a thunderstorm, but a 30 foot crag? Geez.

This is false unless you mean that anyone who ever makes a mistake is not “competent”. This kind of circular reasoning has little value. This summer watching major league baseball, I saw an outfielder let a ground ball roll through his legs and a catcher throw to the wrong base. These are top-flight athletes carefully trained, coached, fully experienced and paid well for performing well. Under your definition they must be labeled as “incompetent”. In relation to baseball, they are more competent than most of here are relative to climbing.

In the summer of 1994, two well-known international climbing guides, one with a sterling international reputation, died in accidents “like this” including one on a 25-foot cliff and the other on a simple rappel accident. By your definition they were “incompetent”. I was acquainted with both. They are many similar accidents involving competent climbers.

The partner of the victim has made the obvious assertion that it pays to check what your partner is doing and in this thread he is chastised as if he committed a mortal sin. That is, the peanut gallery moralized the issue by using a lot of irrelevant “should’s”.

Belayer: Thanks for the post and the willingness to expose yourself to a lot of junk from the peanut gallery.

Gratias et valete bene!
RobertusPunctumPacificus


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robdotcalm wrote:
dynosore wrote:
I don't know what's scarier....the fact that this happened, or the underlying tone of this thread that such mistakes are inevitable.

These types of mistakes DO NOT happen to competent climbers, sorry. We all make mistakes, but not like this. A total disregard for safety. There are MULTIPLE errors here. Not looking down to see where the ends of your rope are(!), not tying a knot in the ends, AND no rappel backup? If I were you, I'd think long and hard about some of your habits, while you still can.

This might be somewhat understandable if you were rapping off a 12 pitch climb in a thunderstorm, but a 30 foot crag? Geez.

This is false unless you mean that anyone who ever makes a mistake is not “competent”. This kind of circular reasoning has little value. This summer watching major league baseball, I saw an outfielder let a ground ball roll through his legs and a catcher throw to the wrong base. These are top-flight athletes carefully trained, coached, fully experienced and paid well for performing well. Under your definition they must be labeled as “incompetent”. In relation to baseball, they are more competent than most of here are relative to climbing.

In the summer of 1994, two well-known international climbing guides, one with a sterling international reputation, died in accidents “like this” including one on a 25-foot cliff and the other on a simple rappel accident. By your definition they were “incompetent”. I was acquainted with both. They are many similar accidents involving competent climbers.

The partner of the victim has made the obvious assertion that it pays to check what your partner is doing and in this thread he is chastised as if he committed a mortal sin. That is, the peanut gallery moralized the issue by using a lot of irrelevant “should’s”.

Belayer: Thanks for the post and the willingness to expose yourself to a lot of junk from the peanut gallery.

Gratias et valete bene!
RobertusPunctumPacificus

Not to jump on Dyno here but...

the issue is not competence. the issue more often than not is inattentiveness... or not paying attention. as has been said many times berefore, the more competent folks often are at higher risk of this kind of stuff because they do it so often they can become lazy.

Don't really need to list the "competent" folks that have had worse stuff than this happen to them, but the Lynn Hill incedent immediately comes to mind.

I certainly would not be calling her imcompetant..


keenest


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What nobody has pointed out here is that ADH24 is da man for saving his life!! He could not and should not have attempted to move. You were well prepared and handled the situation well. I probably would have just pushed him into the radioactive lake below the crag. ;-). Just kidding. Let us all learn from mistakes like this. I know I'll be wearing a helmet and tying knots in my rope from now on.

I have climbed with both the subject and his belayers. I can confidently say that they are all excellent climbers with many years of experience. If anyone here can honestly say that they have not had a moment in their life where they thought to themselves "Holy S(*&, I'm glad I caught that mistake before it led to a bloody mess" then you are oh so perfect and probably living a boring life (in your mom's basement). Sorry for dwelling on the subject.

On to more interesting details. The subject climber did an excellent job at PLF'ing which he learned from jumping out of airplanes. Otherwise he may have ended up landing directly on and breaking his leg in half like this guy at Smith Rock a couple weeks back. http://kohd.com/news/local/52203 Fortunately he is OK as well. Great to hear that you are well. Speedy recovery to ya and see you out there again soon!


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Accidents happen because people get comfortable with what they are doing and stop thinking about what really matters not because they are stupid. Sorta like how you rant about how dumb people are for making a mistake because god or whoever made you to be the only human to never make a mistake. Yeah it is his fault for rapping of the end of his rope. yes he paid the price. I on the same climb forgot a biner to clip the rope to so i held it in my teeth and untied as my belayer stepped on the rope pulling it to the ground. it is a 40ft. climb at most you get careless and make mistakes. some of us just end up paying the price more than others.


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For the sake of a different perspective, I was at a NCRC seminar last week, although not climbing which I also do, it shares many of the same risks. The time we were most at risk was not when we were on rope in cave, rigging, transporting the patient(s) or DC the systems, but when we were in our cars driving home.

The point being as soon as you believe you won't make mistakes is the time you will. Complacency takes no prisoners.


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I'd agree with PosiDave...it's really easy to get distracted. I've rappelled hundreds (thousands?) of times but... The other week I was setting up to rappel and, in the middle of putting my ropes into my ATC got distracted by something...went on with what I was doing...and then I went to snug up on the ropes before unclipping and found that I'd put the ropes through the atc but not the locker and out of the ATC they came. Happily I was still clipped in at that point. But it made me even more of a believer in the other half of my setup, already in place, a backup friction device (you can use an autoblock knot, but I use a Petzl Shunt). So even if I HADN'T been clipped in, I was still clipped in!
People have talked a lot about knots in the ends and those are essential, but a backup can be useful in a lot of scenarios (tangled or stuck ropes, hand slips, rope burn, rockfall hits you in head, whatever). We're always building a lot of redundancy into our belay anchors...but it's not belay anchor failures that seem to be getting people killed and hurt. Consider adding more redundancy to your rappel setup, even though it can make for a bit more futzing around. And then check everything over a couple times before you cast off. Takes 6 seconds. Someday you'll be glad you did.


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dhorgan wrote:
I'd agree with PosiDave...it's really easy to get distracted. I've rappelled hundreds (thousands?) of times but... The other week I was setting up to rappel and, in the middle of putting my ropes into my ATC got distracted by something...went on with what I was doing...and then I went to snug up on the ropes before unclipping and found that I'd put the ropes through the atc but not the locker and out of the ATC they came. Happily I was still clipped in at that point. But it made me even more of a believer in the other half of my setup, already in place, a backup friction device (you can use an autoblock knot, but I use a Petzl Shunt). So even if I HADN'T been clipped in, I was still clipped in!
People have talked a lot about knots in the ends and those are essential, but a backup can be useful in a lot of scenarios (tangled or stuck ropes, hand slips, rope burn, rockfall hits you in head, whatever). We're always building a lot of redundancy into our belay anchors...but it's not belay anchor failures that seem to be getting people killed and hurt. Consider adding more redundancy to your rappel setup, even though it can make for a bit more futzing around. And then check everything over a couple times before you cast off. Takes 6 seconds. Someday you'll be glad you did.

Great post, I totally agree. I use a 3 wrap autoblock of 6mm cord on my right leg loop. It is attached with a superfly locker. These two items alone have tons of uses in an emergency.

After I thread my rope to rappel, I pull up about 2 feet of both ropes together and attach my autoblock. This holds the weight of the ropes, and makes it much easier to thread the device. Before I cast off, I make sure to take up slack and weight the device. This way you don't have to hope it will hold you after you detach from the anchor, and eliminates the risk of shock loading.

Wow, what a thread resurrection! I think it is definitely a relevant topic in the Birdsboro section!

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