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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 7:42 PM
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What do you prefer to tie around a tree, for anchoring purposes? Why?
Tubular Webbing
Pro Cord
Sling
Other
What's your preffered method? Why?
Girth Hitch
Other (tie around with a particular knot)
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spikeddem
Dec 21, 2010, 7:47 PM
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Are we assuming that we're top-roping, and that we have everything available?
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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 7:49 PM
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yep. top-rope 24/7.
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kaizen
Dec 21, 2010, 8:03 PM
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michael1245 wrote: What do you prefer to tie around a tree, for anchoring purposes? Why? Tubular Webbing Pro Cord Sling Other What's your preffered method? Why? Girth Hitch Other (tie around with a particular knot)
If it's a small diameter bush or tree, I'll use a sling and girth hitch it to the tree. If I'm using webbing, I'll often tie an 8 on a bite near one end, wrap the long tail around the tree, pass it through the bite, and create a second 8 on a bite to connect to the anchor. While it's not the quickest method, it's much easier to untie after being weighted on top rope.
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InDaDacks
Dec 21, 2010, 8:07 PM
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The simplest approach with chord is to use a figure 8 follow through tied directly around the tree, but this can make adjustments difficult. This also uses the bare minimum of gear.
A second option would be to sling the tree (not necessarily girth hitch) and then use a clove hitch to attach your anchor line to the 'biner that joins the sling.
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spikeddem
Dec 21, 2010, 8:12 PM
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How big is the tree?
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bill413
Dec 21, 2010, 8:13 PM
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1) Tubular Webbing:
A) Webbing in loop, girth hitch tree
B) Tie loop around tree with water knot
2) Static Line:
A) Loop around tree with bowline on coil, or simple bowline.
3) Other cordage:
Either as 2A or 1A, depending on if cordage is looped or not.
I like the bowline because you don't have to guesstimate how long the rope around the tree needs to be. Easy to adjust, easy to untie. Make SURE to back it up with another knot.
Choice between webbing or cordage totally depends on what we have carried to the top of the crag. Some setups can be easier with one or the other.
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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 8:17 PM
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bill413 wrote: 1) Tubular Webbing: A) Webbing in loop, girth hitch tree B) Tie loop around tree with water knot 2) Static Line: A) Loop around tree with bowline on coil, or simple bowline. 3) Other cordage: Either as 2A or 1A, depending on if cordage is looped or not. I like the bowline because you don't have to guesstimate how long the rope around the tree needs to be. Easy to adjust, easy to untie. Make SURE to back it up with another knot. Choice between webbing or cordage totally depends on what we have carried to the top of the crag. Some setups can be easier with one or the other.
to back up the bowline...what would you do? a saftey/fisherman knot on the end?
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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 8:19 PM
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spikeddem wrote: How big is the tree?
I'm in NJ/PA. An average sized man can hug or nearly hug most of the trees.
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spikeddem
Dec 21, 2010, 8:21 PM
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michael1245 wrote: spikeddem wrote: How big is the tree? I'm in NJ/PA. An average sized man can hug or nearly hug most of the trees.
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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 8:28 PM
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you want to give me short/long scenario?
I think the furthest I've seen is about 30 feet. Shortest, less than 10 feet.
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Kartessa
Dec 21, 2010, 8:40 PM
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*GASP!*
Slinging trees is a mortal sin in these parts.
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rocknice2
Dec 21, 2010, 8:45 PM
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Your from Ontario.
Everything is a sin.
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bearbreeder
Dec 21, 2010, 8:52 PM
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says the guy from la belle (femme) province ...
lol
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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 8:56 PM
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Allamuchy, NJ is strictly NO BOLTS. There's a great practice wall and my first time there, my instructor had anchored us to two trees. I want to say they were about 30 feet from the edge. From what I remember, he had used a "rope". Not sure if it was cordage, static, or dynamic.
Ralph Stover, PA has bolts in place. However, if I wanted to tie into a tree...I'm guessing that I have 10-20 feet before the edge, depending.
Those are my locals.
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majid_sabet
Dec 21, 2010, 9:00 PM
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wrap the webbing three times (aka W3P2) and tie it with a water knot. pull two string out and attach your TR biner. leave the knot in the front facing the master biner.
for longer distance:
run a static cord and wrap one end three times. place an 8 and clip the 8 with one biner to rope. take the other end, put a fig 8 and attach your TR biner. if the TR biner is hanging over the edge. protect the rope by carpet, bag or whatever so it does not get cut.
you can always do all these mombo jumbo clove hitch whatever but that is like creating unnecessary cluster.
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bill413
Dec 21, 2010, 9:08 PM
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michael1245 wrote: bill413 wrote: 1) Tubular Webbing: A) Webbing in loop, girth hitch tree B) Tie loop around tree with water knot 2) Static Line: A) Loop around tree with bowline on coil, or simple bowline. 3) Other cordage: Either as 2A or 1A, depending on if cordage is looped or not. I like the bowline because you don't have to guesstimate how long the rope around the tree needs to be. Easy to adjust, easy to untie. Make SURE to back it up with another knot. Choice between webbing or cordage totally depends on what we have carried to the top of the crag. Some setups can be easier with one or the other. to back up the bowline...what would you do? a saftey/fisherman knot on the end?
I tie a fisherman's with the free end onto the strand in the coil. Here's video although I always use at least two wraps around the strand, not one as shown.
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ubu
Dec 21, 2010, 9:09 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: wrap the webbing three times (aka W3P2) and tie it with a water knot. pull two string out and attach your TR biner. leave the knot in the front facing the master biner. for longer distance: run a static cord and wrap one end three times. place an 8 and clip the 8 with one biner to rope. take the other end, put a fig 8 and attach your TR biner. if the TR biner is hanging over the edge. protect the rope by carpet, bag or whatever so it does not get cut. you can always do all these mombo jumbo clove hitch whatever but that is like creating unnecessary cluster.
Just keep in mind that if you biner a figure 8 for the anchor in an area with high non-climber traffic, you just might find that biner missing by the end of your climb...
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majid_sabet
Dec 21, 2010, 9:15 PM
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ubu wrote: majid_sabet wrote: wrap the webbing three times (aka W3P2) and tie it with a water knot. pull two string out and attach your TR biner. leave the knot in the front facing the master biner. for longer distance: run a static cord and wrap one end three times. place an 8 and clip the 8 with one biner to rope. take the other end, put a fig 8 and attach your TR biner. if the TR biner is hanging over the edge. protect the rope by carpet, bag or whatever so it does not get cut. you can always do all these mombo jumbo clove hitch whatever but that is like creating unnecessary cluster. Just keep in mind that if you biner a figure 8 for the anchor in an area with high non-climber traffic, you just might find that biner missing by the end of your climb...
it would be worse if the take the biner and drop the rope to hang on a rock and you TR on it
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Kartessa
Dec 21, 2010, 9:17 PM
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Hot Dawg!
The "Ancient Cedars" lining our local crags have led to a toproping ban at the good crags.
Jeluz much?
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bearbreeder
Dec 21, 2010, 9:21 PM
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http://alpineinstitute.blogspot.com/2010/12/natural-anchors.html
(This post was edited by bearbreeder on Dec 21, 2010, 9:22 PM)
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kachoong
Dec 21, 2010, 9:22 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: run a static cord and wrap one end three times. place an 8 and clip the 8 with one biner to rope. take the other end, put a fig 8 and attach your TR biner.
If it's a decently-sized tree (>18in diameter) this is what I will do.
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michael1245
Dec 21, 2010, 9:37 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: wrap the webbing three times (aka W3P2) and tie it with a water knot. pull two string out and attach your TR biner. leave the knot in the front facing the master biner. for longer distance: run a static cord and wrap one end three times. place an 8 and clip the 8 with one biner to rope. take the other end, put a fig 8 and attach your TR biner. if the TR biner is hanging over the edge. protect the rope by carpet, bag or whatever so it does not get cut. you can always do all these mombo jumbo clove hitch whatever but that is like creating unnecessary cluster.
ah ha, very nice. thanks for the explanation.
(This post was edited by michael1245 on Dec 21, 2010, 9:38 PM)
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majid_sabet
Dec 21, 2010, 9:44 PM
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michael1245 wrote: majid_sabet wrote: wrap the webbing three times (aka W3P2) and tie it with a water knot. pull two string out and attach your TR biner. leave the knot in the front facing the master biner. for longer distance: run a static cord and wrap one end three times. place an 8 and clip the 8 with one biner to rope. take the other end, put a fig 8 and attach your TR biner. if the TR biner is hanging over the edge. protect the rope by carpet, bag or whatever so it does not get cut. you can always do all these mombo jumbo clove hitch whatever but that is like creating unnecessary cluster. ah ha, very nice. thanks for the explanation.
see the picture above
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michael1245
Dec 22, 2010, 4:06 PM
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is it possible to use one rope on two trees?
for example, you tie an achor to one tree and have like 50 feet of rope remaining, could you tie another anchor to a nearby tree with the same rope?
explain, please?
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