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caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Not sure yet. Having trouble figuring out a way out of here to make my flight home. how inconvenient It was! Have to leave today, and fly to anothe spot for a few days, then connect and get home. I thought most countries frowned upon people coming in who didn't have a return flight home. I have a return flight, I just didn't have an intermediate flight to make my return flight. Then they all filled up which was unexpected. So we hit another spot.
I would think most countries frown upon klownjayas entering, irregardless of return flight status.
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snoopy138
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Not sure yet. Having trouble figuring out a way out of here to make my flight home. how inconvenient It was! Have to leave today, and fly to anothe spot for a few days, then connect and get home. I thought most countries frowned upon people coming in who didn't have a return flight home. I have a return flight, I just didn't have an intermediate flight to make my return flight. Then they all filled up which was unexpected. So we hit another spot. I am sure you are disappointed. More traveling. More climbing. Horrible! Yep it's rough. Glad I have this ptftw to ease the pain.
was it worth the fleeting joy? I hope you get text messages over their in europe.
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snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Not sure yet. Having trouble figuring out a way out of here to make my flight home. how inconvenient It was! Have to leave today, and fly to anothe spot for a few days, then connect and get home. I thought most countries frowned upon people coming in who didn't have a return flight home. I have a return flight, I just didn't have an intermediate flight to make my return flight. Then they all filled up which was unexpected. So we hit another spot. I am sure you are disappointed. More traveling. More climbing. Horrible! Yep it's rough. Glad I have this ptftw to ease the pain. was it worth the fleeting joy? I hope you get text messages over their in europe.
Strawg werk, snoppy.
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caughtinside
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snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Not sure yet. Having trouble figuring out a way out of here to make my flight home. how inconvenient It was! Have to leave today, and fly to anothe spot for a few days, then connect and get home. I thought most countries frowned upon people coming in who didn't have a return flight home. I have a return flight, I just didn't have an intermediate flight to make my return flight. Then they all filled up which was unexpected. So we hit another spot. I am sure you are disappointed. More traveling. More climbing. Horrible! Yep it's rough. Glad I have this ptftw to ease the pain. was it worth the fleeting joy? I hope you get text messages over their in europe.
Yeah I got it. Weke internet here in Plakias. Aka little riverside. Posting takes 5 minutes.
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caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Not sure yet. Having trouble figuring out a way out of here to make my flight home. how inconvenient It was! Have to leave today, and fly to anothe spot for a few days, then connect and get home. I thought most countries frowned upon people coming in who didn't have a return flight home. I have a return flight, I just didn't have an intermediate flight to make my return flight. Then they all filled up which was unexpected. So we hit another spot. I am sure you are disappointed. More traveling. More climbing. Horrible! Yep it's rough. Glad I have this ptftw to ease the pain. was it worth the fleeting joy? I hope you get text messages over their in europe. Yeah I got it. Weke internet here in Plakias. Aka little riverside. Posting takes 5 minutes.
It was wet and cold (a relative term) here this weke end, so I went to big Riverside. Fell on the 2nd warmup when my hand ripped out of a muddy hand jam at the rest. That was unpleasant. Then got a clean TR run on the Hanging by a Sartin, so figured I'd try The Ultimate. Fuck, that was hard. Some really heinous moves on that thing, made me long for the no-hard-moves endurance difficulty of the Drive-By.
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Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights.
In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental.
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carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental.
Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by!
And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people...
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lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people...
Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11.
Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating.
In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you.
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Made it home!! Crete was Swete. The two crags we hit were very different style from Big Malibu and very good. My partner managed a very last second rp of the Original route at Plakias in between rain showers before we had to pack and race to the airport. I managed a one hang on tr but ran out of time to lead because of the rain. Weather was really funny, the storm was hung up nearby but the wind was blowing sideways drops onto it from a mile away.
Spent an uncomfortable night at the airport before the long haul home.
Super fun trip! Probably the funnest sport climbing destination I have ever been to, just so many routes on perfect rock with the steep and outrageous features. Made me want to check out more euro limestone.
One of my partners put on a kneebar clinic on DNA, a famous grand grotto route. Basically got no hands at every bolt and made it look 10a.
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granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you.
Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee.
But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right?
LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings.
I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries?
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tripperjm
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lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries?
Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think?
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tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think?
I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think)
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lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think)
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Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'?
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tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think) sighs.... Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'?
Because it changes who I can go climbing with. Because not everyone is O.K. with the idea of me toproping what they are planning on doing for the weekend. So they are totally fine with the idea of us climbing together when they assume that i would be climbing my own routes, and they would be working on what they want to work on. But when I mention toproping they go, uh, well.. I don't know...
Which makes sense, because they are planning to climb stuff that would be really hard for me to toprope. So they are either faced with the possibility of belaying me for a long time on a climb that I have no business being on, in the first place, or setting up routes they weren't planning on doing, just so I could climb them.
If I persist, they will probably do it, but it is am imposition. And I understand, which is why I feel weird asking.
It is a side effect of living far away from climbable rocks, having a small group of climbers, and only having limited amount of time to climb. When you can go climbing any day, it's not that big a deal to alter plans for a friend for one day. When it is a regular climbing partner that you like and you are invested in, it is not a big deal to alter plans, because, well, you probably have a long history of give-and-take. But believe it or not, the majority of climbers around here are already done for the season! So the group of likely partners is even smaller than usual.
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lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think) sighs.... Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'? Because it changes who I can go climbing with. Because not everyone is O.K. with the idea of me toproping what they are planning on doing for the weekend. So they are totally fine with the idea of us climbing together when they assume that i would be climbing my own routes, and they would be working on what they want to work on. But when I mention toproping they go, uh, well.. I don't know... Which makes sense, because they are planning to climb stuff that would be really hard for me to toprope. So they are either faced with the possibility of belaying me for a long time on a climb that I have no business being on, in the first place, or setting up routes they weren't planning on doing, just so I could climb them. If I persist, they will probably do it, but it is am imposition. And I understand, which is why I feel weird asking. It is a side effect of living far away from climbable rocks, having a small group of climbers, and only having limited amount of time to climb. When you can go climbing any day, it's not that big a deal to alter plans for a friend for one day. When it is a regular climbing partner that you like and you are invested in, it is not a big deal to alter plans, because, well, you probably have a long history of give-and-take. But believe it or not, the majority of climbers around here are already done for the season! So the group of likely partners is even smaller than usual.
ewe mean, climbing is not a year round endeavor where ewe live? strange. I mean, you've probably got some forming temps going on.
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think) sighs.... Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'? Because it changes who I can go climbing with. Because not everyone is O.K. with the idea of me toproping what they are planning on doing for the weekend. So they are totally fine with the idea of us climbing together when they assume that i would be climbing my own routes, and they would be working on what they want to work on. But when I mention toproping they go, uh, well.. I don't know... Which makes sense, because they are planning to climb stuff that would be really hard for me to toprope. So they are either faced with the possibility of belaying me for a long time on a climb that I have no business being on, in the first place, or setting up routes they weren't planning on doing, just so I could climb them. If I persist, they will probably do it, but it is am imposition. And I understand, which is why I feel weird asking. It is a side effect of living far away from climbable rocks, having a small group of climbers, and only having limited amount of time to climb. When you can go climbing any day, it's not that big a deal to alter plans for a friend for one day. When it is a regular climbing partner that you like and you are invested in, it is not a big deal to alter plans, because, well, you probably have a long history of give-and-take. But believe it or not, the majority of climbers around here are already done for the season! So the group of likely partners is even smaller than usual. ewe mean, climbing is not a year round endeavor where ewe live? strange. I mean, you've probably got some forming temps going on.
No forming temps! My garden hasn't even frosted yet, i still have tomatoes ripening. 
Seriously, the weather is just about perfect right now.
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granite_grrl
Nov 5, 2014, 9:02 PM
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think) sighs.... Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'? Because it changes who I can go climbing with. Because not everyone is O.K. with the idea of me toproping what they are planning on doing for the weekend. So they are totally fine with the idea of us climbing together when they assume that i would be climbing my own routes, and they would be working on what they want to work on. But when I mention toproping they go, uh, well.. I don't know... Which makes sense, because they are planning to climb stuff that would be really hard for me to toprope. So they are either faced with the possibility of belaying me for a long time on a climb that I have no business being on, in the first place, or setting up routes they weren't planning on doing, just so I could climb them. If I persist, they will probably do it, but it is am imposition. And I understand, which is why I feel weird asking. It is a side effect of living far away from climbable rocks, having a small group of climbers, and only having limited amount of time to climb. When you can go climbing any day, it's not that big a deal to alter plans for a friend for one day. When it is a regular climbing partner that you like and you are invested in, it is not a big deal to alter plans, because, well, you probably have a long history of give-and-take. But believe it or not, the majority of climbers around here are already done for the season! So the group of likely partners is even smaller than usual. ewe mean, climbing is not a year round endeavor where ewe live? strange. I mean, you've probably got some forming temps going on.
whoo-hooo!
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camhead
Nov 6, 2014, 12:36 AM
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Weakend report: wait, it's wednesday.
Anyway, got pretty sick last week because my cabin does not yet have power (best told in grupe). Managed to get over it in time to run up to the Gunks for two days of perfect weather. Climbed until dark both days, and dawn til dusk yesterday (literally, we did a sunrise ascent of Disneyland, heh). Did prolly the scariest route yet of my life, a 5.12 that was definitely X. Two gear nests the whole way, with the crux right at about a 40 foot groundfall. Of course, I TR'd it once before so it doesn't count at awl.
Just got back to Dubbya Vee. My cabin still doesn't have power.
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camhead
Nov 6, 2014, 12:38 AM
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Oh, and dammit Lena, that announcement was a call for articles, not a "tell Paul what to write" thread! Madface! I'll banz ewe next time like you were on mp!!!
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dr_feelgood
Nov 6, 2014, 2:11 AM
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granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think) sighs.... Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'? Because it changes who I can go climbing with. Because not everyone is O.K. with the idea of me toproping what they are planning on doing for the weekend. So they are totally fine with the idea of us climbing together when they assume that i would be climbing my own routes, and they would be working on what they want to work on. But when I mention toproping they go, uh, well.. I don't know... Which makes sense, because they are planning to climb stuff that would be really hard for me to toprope. So they are either faced with the possibility of belaying me for a long time on a climb that I have no business being on, in the first place, or setting up routes they weren't planning on doing, just so I could climb them. If I persist, they will probably do it, but it is am imposition. And I understand, which is why I feel weird asking. It is a side effect of living far away from climbable rocks, having a small group of climbers, and only having limited amount of time to climb. When you can go climbing any day, it's not that big a deal to alter plans for a friend for one day. When it is a regular climbing partner that you like and you are invested in, it is not a big deal to alter plans, because, well, you probably have a long history of give-and-take. But believe it or not, the majority of climbers around here are already done for the season! So the group of likely partners is even smaller than usual. ewe mean, climbing is not a year round endeavor where ewe live? strange. I mean, you've probably got some forming temps going on. whoo-hooo!
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granite_grrl
Nov 6, 2014, 12:36 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: tripperjm wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Weke end report! Finally got my flatirons on, climbed the third on Saturday (in costume) and all 10 pitches of the first on Sunday. The first has the scariest 5.0 traverse, it was super fun. Now I want to go back and lead all 8 pitches on the third for bragging rights. In general I'm trying to lead more, I'm pretty much lead only in the gym and I'm easing into easy stuff outside. I just feel like such a leech when I ask someone to go climbing and don't lead anything myself, especially since it's all mental. Butterfly wings were cool. Badass flutter-by! And no, you are not a leech, even if you decide not to lead ever, but I am not good at pep talk right now, bc this is exactly how I feel at the moment. I was all cool with Ed setting up TRs for me, but now that he is out of commission again, it feels really weird to ask people... Nathan is generally pretty good with me. If he thinks I'll have problems with a route on lead he'll often let me TR it (assuming it's not a steep route or something like that). But if it's not a good route he'll just strip the draws and we'll move onto the next one. He hates belaying me if I'll be dogging on TR though, so I won't get this kind of service on anything harder than mid 5.11. Nothing wrong with TRing though. It's only a problem if you're getting people to climb things they don't really want to so you can TR it. I've been with people like that and it's irritating. In your case, Lena, if I were climbing with you I'd assume you'd want to TR. When you have an injury it's nice to know you can just let go if you find a move that bothers you. Yup. That's exactly how I was climbing the Rocktoberfedt weekend, letting go as soon as I got to a move that seemed like it would require something funky for the knee. But see, unless people are close to me, they don't really know/think about it. It's like, oh, yeah, you had surgery? It was some time ago, wasn't it? You gotta be all recovered now, right? LOL, god knows it feels like forever ago. But it has been only a few weeks since I started walking, and I still have a lot of "you are not allowed to do XYZ until at least December" warnings. I've gotten a bunch of random things from people like "My brother-in-laws second cousin had knee surgery, and he was, like, walking the next day" UGH. There are different surgeries? Seriously, why do you care so much, what other people think? I think you misunderstand. It is not that i care what they think. It is that they are very much taken aback by the idea that I need a toprope. (because of what they think) sighs.... Ok, so why do you care so much, 'that they are very much taken aback by the idea that (you) need a toprope'? Because it changes who I can go climbing with. Because not everyone is O.K. with the idea of me toproping what they are planning on doing for the weekend. So they are totally fine with the idea of us climbing together when they assume that i would be climbing my own routes, and they would be working on what they want to work on. But when I mention toproping they go, uh, well.. I don't know... Which makes sense, because they are planning to climb stuff that would be really hard for me to toprope. So they are either faced with the possibility of belaying me for a long time on a climb that I have no business being on, in the first place, or setting up routes they weren't planning on doing, just so I could climb them. If I persist, they will probably do it, but it is am imposition. And I understand, which is why I feel weird asking. It is a side effect of living far away from climbable rocks, having a small group of climbers, and only having limited amount of time to climb. When you can go climbing any day, it's not that big a deal to alter plans for a friend for one day. When it is a regular climbing partner that you like and you are invested in, it is not a big deal to alter plans, because, well, you probably have a long history of give-and-take. But believe it or not, the majority of climbers around here are already done for the season! So the group of likely partners is even smaller than usual. ewe mean, climbing is not a year round endeavor where ewe live? strange. I mean, you've probably got some forming temps going on. whoo-hooo! Ice is fat above 9000' out here. PRobably getting after it this weekend.
4 more weeks till Bozeman!
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granite_grrl
Nov 6, 2014, 12:36 PM
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Hopefully it won't be as cold out there this year as it was last year. That was just stupid.
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camhead
Nov 6, 2014, 3:05 PM
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lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: Oh, and dammit Lena, that announcement was a call for articles, not a "tell Paul what to write" thread! Madface! I'll banz ewe next time like you were on mp!!! We can haz banzing fight? with SWORDS? Moderator light sabers? Yes, please!
If this was oldskool rc.com, teh Dirvel would bust out with the Casual Encounters c___ pics right about now.
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camhead
Nov 6, 2014, 3:08 PM
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Oh, and brief addendum to the Gunks report: ran into Mike, the slightly crazy older dude who we ran into solo-TRing at Lost City a few years back (snupe and Donny, right?). He's still strong as hell, lapping the one two face climbs all day. Sounded a bit down, as he had just had shoulder surgery and was Getting Back Into It, and his mom had just passed away. Still, I hope when I'm in my late 50s I can say forlornly, "yeah, I'm just a 5.12 climber now days."
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