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soulclimber11
Nov 30, 2004, 8:19 AM
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What is Light and Fast considered? For Example a Winter ascent of Mt.Whitney via the Mtn'rs Route my pack consists of:
1 sleeping pad (Cascade Designs)
Snow shoes(approach)
Crampons (Grivel g12)
Shovel (aluminum)
Trekking Poles (rei summit)
Ice Axe (BD Raven)
Marmot Colour Sleeping Bag
1 32 oz Nalgene bottle
1 OR Nalgene Bottle Insulator
Kelty Ledge tent (4lbs 11oz)
MSR Whisperlite stove w/ Heat Shield and Windshield
1 16oz fuel bottle
1 8oz plastic nalgene fuel holder
4 freeze dried food packs (2 servings per pack)
3 cup o noodles
2 small packs instant mashed potatoes
2 pairs mountaineering socks
2 pair liners
1 rei mts lightweight thermal
1 rei mts midweight thermal
1 lightweight next to skin poly tights
1 pair 100 wt fleece pants
1 pair down filled underpants
North Face summit series Soft Shell jacket
North Face summit series Gore Tex Parka
North Face Down Filled Nuptse Jacket
1 OR fleece windstopper peruvian beanie
1 neck gaiter
1 OR fleece Balaclava
1 pair MH Altitude Shell Gloves
1 pair OR overmitt shells
1 Pair Fleece Liners
1 pair glacier glasses
1 pair goggles
1 First Aid Kit
I stuff it all into my Marmot Eiger 36 BackPack 2400 cu.
Ok If I didn't bore you with my List can anyone tell me if I am off on any of what I am bringing...I am sure someone will tell me to sh@#can my tent and trade it in for a Bivy..Bivy sacs are awesome for overnight but in case I got holed up in a storm I would feel better in my lil tent.Other than that let it rip and tell me what you pack.
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icarus_burned
Nov 30, 2004, 11:50 AM
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lose the snow shoes and trek poles, theyre simply un neccesary, and if your gonna be really pedantic about weight dont take the glasses just the goggles
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j_dub
Nov 30, 2004, 1:27 PM
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Is that a pretty good packing list for, say, an 18,000ft peak, or would I need to add more (warmer) gear?
Also, how warm is your colour sleeping bag?
Thanks!
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tradman
Nov 30, 2004, 1:43 PM
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How cold does it get on Whitney?
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ropeburn
Nov 30, 2004, 1:59 PM
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In reply to: 1 pair down filled underpants
Huh?
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pepsbandit
Nov 30, 2004, 2:07 PM
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I'd switch to aluminum crampons and ice-axe, it'll feel better in the
long run. But then again I don't know shite!!!
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anykineclimb
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1 sleeping pad (Cascade Designs) 3/4 length
Snow shoes(approach) no
Crampons (Grivel g12)
Shovel (aluminum)can you use your axe as the handle? Trekking Poles (rei summit)no
Ice Axe (BD Raven)
Marmot Colour Sleeping Bag
1 32 oz Nalgene bottle
1 OR Nalgene Bottle Insulator
Kelty Ledge tent (4lbs 11oz)
MSR Whisperlite stove w/ Heat Shield and Windshield
1 16oz fuel bottle need this much fuel?
1 8oz plastic nalgene bottle fuel holder
Consider GU for meals
4 freeze dried food packs (2 servings per pack)
3 cup o noodles
2 small packs instant mashed potatoes
Rethink all this clothes, especially the down thong, err underpants
2 pairs mountaineering socks
2 pair liners
1 rei mts lightweight thermal
1 rei mts midweight thermal
1 lightweight next to skin poly tights
1 pair 100 wt fleece pants
1 pair down filled underpants
North Face summit series Soft Shell jacket
North Face summit series Gore Tex Parka
North Face Down Filled Nuptse Jacket
1 OR fleece windstopper peruvian beanie
1 neck gaiter
1 OR fleece Balaclava
1 pair MH Altitude Shell Gloves
1 pair OR overmitt shells
1 Pair Fleece Liners
One or the other
1 pair glacier glasses
1 pair goggles
1 First Aid Kit
Is this all gonna fit in this thing?
I stuff it all into my Marmot Eiger 36 BackPack 2400 cu.
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slhappy
Nov 30, 2004, 3:22 PM
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how many days you going for?
also you might want boots and a helmet...
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adnix
Nov 30, 2004, 4:06 PM
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In reply to: how many days you going for? also you might want boots and a helmet... |
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adnix
Nov 30, 2004, 4:19 PM
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If really light and fast - on the route you'll need (low technical difficulty):
1 sleeping pad (Cascade Designs)
Crampons (Grivel g12)
Ice Axe (BD Raven)
1 32 oz Nalgene bottle
1 OR Nalgene Bottle Insulator
Bivy pouch (you shouldn't sleep anyway, but just in case)
MSR Whisperlite stove w/ Heat Shield and Windshield (hot brews are nice)
1 small fuel bottle
some energy bars and/or drink
the clothes you have on will be all needed. extra down jacket & pants will be sufficient for short bivy. no need for sleeping pouch. if the weather forecast seems bad you should stay in base camp.
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slhappy
Nov 30, 2004, 5:20 PM
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good post adnix. that is precisely what fast and light is...go during a good weather window and keep moving until your back at base camp.
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davidji
Nov 30, 2004, 5:53 PM
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In reply to: Is this all gonna fit in this thing? I stuff it all into my Marmot Eiger 36 BackPack 2400 cu. |
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icarus_burned
Nov 30, 2004, 6:12 PM
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doesnt all have to go inside, its near the season so why not hang things on your pack like a big christmas tree
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soulclimber11
Nov 30, 2004, 7:18 PM
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Tradman asked what the temp is on Whitney >Depends on the elevation and wind chill varies from 30's to -15. Anyone correct me if I am wrong.
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soulclimber11
Nov 30, 2004, 7:19 PM
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In reply to: Is that a pretty good packing list for, say, an 18,000ft peak, or would I need to add more (warmer) gear? Also, how warm is your colour sleeping bag? Thanks!
The Bag is rated down to 0 but I have been in it in -10 and it still was very toasty.
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soulclimber11
Nov 30, 2004, 8:02 PM
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In reply to: how many days you going for? also you might want boots and a helmet...
3 to 4 days, I am using the Koflach arctic exp.I am thinking of changing out the liner with the cheapsnowboards.com intuition liner for 20.00 . I have read that it is much lighter and warmer.
Also I am taking the HB Olympus helmet(red)
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akicebum
Nov 30, 2004, 8:29 PM
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I don't know what your commitment level is or how fast you want to do this in, but it sounds like you have way too much food. Even if you are going to go for two days you have 8 servings of freeze dried. The mashed are awesome, and oatmeal is great in the morning. The rest you can suppliment. Save your fuel for melting water, to compliment the gels and energy bars. Think 2000-2500calories a day.
If you are going to go for more than two days then you aren't going fast, but you can still go light, but by day three you will need some real food.
As to your pack list. The trekking poles are usually worth the added weight and discomfort when stored. Think about everything you are actually going to use. A sleeping pad (3/4) A bag with bivy or tarp/space blanket, that is if you are going to spend the night. I tend to go for the single push beer by 11 trips. If I can't make it then I make sure I will be comfortable. Nothing worse than kind of sleeping because you are cold and miserable.
As for clothes, think base layer, core insulation (a fleece jacket), shell. A light balaclava is a staple for me but it is personal preference. A warm hat, extra pair of socks and if you are going with fleece gloves bring two pairs. Nothing like changing into a nice dry-warm pair of gloves.
As for fuel. well fuel=water. Water buys you time. I have never been as angry about having extra fuel as I have been when I have run out and ended up dehyrated cramping while postholeing back the car after climbing for two or three days.
Sounds like you have a fun trip in mind. I hope all goes well and you get home safe.
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glockaroo
Nov 30, 2004, 10:36 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Is this all gonna fit in this thing? I stuff it all into my Marmot Eiger 36 BackPack 2400 cu. That was my thought too. I can't imagine all that stuff fitting into a 36L pack.
Same here. Just the sleeping bag and clothes alone would fill a 2400 cube pack. How will the rest fit?!
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soulclimber11
Nov 30, 2004, 10:37 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Is this all gonna fit in this thing? I stuff it all into my Marmot Eiger 36 BackPack 2400 cu. That was my thought too. I can't imagine all that stuff fitting into a 36L pack.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/soulclimber11/index.html
That is where the pic of my pack is..I had a little trouble posting my pic here.
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soulclimber11
Dec 1, 2004, 12:11 AM
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In reply to: I don't know what your commitment level is or how fast you want to do this in, but it sounds like you have way too much food. Even if you are going to go for two days you have 8 servings of freeze dried. The mashed are awesome, and oatmeal is great in the morning. The rest you can suppliment. Save your fuel for melting water, to compliment the gels and energy bars. Think 2000-2500calories a day. If you are going to go for more than two days then you aren't going fast, but you can still go light, but by day three you will need some real food. As to your pack list. The trekking poles are usually worth the added weight and discomfort when stored. Think about everything you are actually going to use. A sleeping pad (3/4) A bag with bivy or tarp/space blanket, that is if you are going to spend the night. I tend to go for the single push beer by 11 trips. If I can't make it then I make sure I will be comfortable. Nothing worse than kind of sleeping because you are cold and miserable. As for clothes, think base layer, core insulation (a fleece jacket), shell. A light balaclava is a staple for me but it is personal preference. A warm hat, extra pair of socks and if you are going with fleece gloves bring two pairs. Nothing like changing into a nice dry-warm pair of gloves. As for fuel. well fuel=water. Water buys you time. I have never been as angry about having extra fuel as I have been when I have run out and ended up dehyrated cramping while postholeing back the car after climbing for two or three days. Sounds like you have a fun trip in mind. I hope all goes well and you get home safe.
I am planning on going as long as I can with a balanced pace...I am probably going to change my sleeping pad to the zlite 3/4 length as well.
You are so correct by pointing out to bring another pair of fleece gloves. Nothing dries in that environemnt (unless it is close to your body while you are sleeping).
Thank you and everyone else for all the advice. Keep it coming. :D
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Dec 1, 2004, 12:21 AM
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soulclimber11
Dec 1, 2004, 12:40 AM
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In reply to: Seems like you're more concerned with trying to be light than fast.
I put on a extra day or two due to Weather.
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guanoboy
Dec 1, 2004, 12:40 AM
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I agree with whoever it was above that said fast and light should be single push. I would do it w/ a daypack and keep moving. If you are going to camp you could do without a tent or bivy. I've slept plenty of winter nights just in a sleeping bag - if its 5 degrees out it sure isn't going to rain - and that dry sierra snow isn't goin to get you wet. If you want to get out of the wind, it doesn't take long to dig a snow shelter or cave.
andrew
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jeremy11
Dec 1, 2004, 12:56 AM
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golite gust for a pack - bigger and lighter
dump the north face shells and down coat for ultralight versions
get a lighter sleeping bag and shelter
learn to sew your own stuff to save money on ultralight gear
thru-hiker.com is a great source for ultralight/sew your own info and gear
Jeremy
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sandbag
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train hard with heavy weighted pack so you can hump all that gear fast, i can take a 70Lb pack up 1500ft(above 8000MSL) and 4 miles in about 1:30. if im going out for days on end, ill slow it up. And work on getting to know you, ie how much youre going to sweat and heave and wheeze before you decide to go tackle a backcountry adventure, its important to know how you react so you dont sweat, exhaust, and then freeze your wet self to death.....
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