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dharmatreez
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i'm compiling a list of areas i've been to or would like to get to soon in PA, all on public land with no access issues to compile into a FREE pennsylvania climbing guide
i would like to eventually draw map sketches of all the areas and id the route locations that i have not already done and get GPS hits also to post (long term outlook - 2 years), posted for free download and to send as a .pdf to whom would ever want it
so bear with its length, but this is my working list
(*denotes an area i have maps started for)
(**denotes an area with an existing map that will be edited and redrawn for the quide)
list will be regularly edited as info is provided
current areas: 51 (guide cut-off 50)
National Land
Allegheny National Forest
MINISTER CREEK - Truemans, PA
RIM ROCK - Warren, PA
JAKES ROCK - Warren, PA *
HEARTS CONTENT - Hearts Content, PA
TIONESTA ROCKS - Brookston, PA (North Country National Scenic Trail) *
PAINTED BLOCKS - Ludlow, PA (North Country National Scenic Trail)*
AMSLER SPRINGS - Marienville, PA (North Country National Scenic Trail)
Delaware Water Gap National Rec Area
MT. MINSI - East Stroudsburg, PA [40.9634 -75.1223]
PA State Game Lands
Game Lands #44
INDIAN ROCKS - Ridgeway, PA *
LIONS DEN (DEVILS DEN) - Ridgeway, PA [41.39025 -78.72923] **
Game Lands #51
LOST CRAG - Connellsville, PA [39.919033 -79.581700] **
ELK ROCKS - Dunbar, PA
Game Lands #211
BOXCAR ROCKS (CHINESE WALL) - Gold Mine, PA [40.54680 -76.5261]
Game Lands #141
LEHIGH GORGE - Jim Thorpe, PA [40.8981 -75.7580]
Game Lands #108
BELLS GAP - Lloydsville, PA *
SHAW RUN WALLS - Lloydsville, PA *
Game Lands #106
PINNACLE ROCK - Eckville, PA
THE PULPIT - Hamburg, PA
PA State Forests
Michaux
SHAFFER ROCKS - South Mountain, PA [39.88167 -77.48250] *
WHITE AND BROWN ROCKS - Pond Bank, PA **
POLE STEEPLE - Pine Grove Furnance, PA (Appalachian National Scenic Trail)
SUNSET ROCKS - Pine Grove Furnance, PA
HAMMOND ROCKS - Mount Holly Springs, PA
LEWIS ROCKS - Shippensburg, PA
CHIMNEY ROCKS (GLEN ROCKS) - Walnut Bottom, PA
CORONERS SLAB - Shippensburg, PA
WHISKEY SPRINGS - Mount Holly Springs, PA (Appalachian National Scenic Trail) **
Tioga
BLUE RUN ROCKS - Sabinsville, PA **
CHOSSBURG - Blossburg, PA
STONEY FORK - Wellsboro, PA
Buchannan
JB BIRTHPLACE - Fort Loudon, PA
Lackawanna
TILBURY - Nanitcoke, PA
Bald Eagle
PENNS CREEK (COBURN AND PINNACLE ROCKS) - Coburn, PA *
Moshannon
PANTHER ROCKS - Clearfield, PA *
HOBO HILL - Clearfield, PA
FISHER ROCKS - Piper, PA (Quehanna Trail)
QUEHANNA ROCKS - Penfield, PA (Quehanna Trail)
Gallitzin
WOLF ROCKS - Ogleton, PA (John P Saylor Trail) [40.20222 -78.75568]
CLARK RUN GORGE - Cramer, PA [40.4114 -78.9793]
Forbes
BEAM ROCKS - Laurel Mt Village, PA (Laurel Highlands Trail) [40.1306 -79.1586] *
NINETY FOOT ROCKS (WOLF ROCKS) - Laurel Mt Village, PA [40.1617 -79.2242]
Rothrock
ROCKY RIDGE NATURAL AREA (HUNTERS) - Cornpropst Mills, PA (Link Trail) [40.5594 -77.8524] *
Tiadaghton
ROCK RUN - Ralston, PA [41.5163 -76.9177]
Clear Creek
BEARTOWN ROCKS - Sigel, PA [41.3034 -79.0595]
Sproul
BIG ROCK VISTA - Renovo, PA
PA State Parks
RALPH STOVER SP (HIGH ROCKS) - Pipersville, PA [40.4415 -75.1004]
MCCONNELLS MILLS SP (BREAKNECK ROCKS) - New Castle, PA [40.9534 -80.1759] **
WORLDS END SP (LABYRINTH) - Forksville, PA
NOCKAMIXON SP (HAYCOCK MT.) - Quakerstown, PA
TYLER SP - Newtown, PA
RAVENSBURG SP (CASTLE ROCK) - Mifflinburg, PA
TROUGH CREEK SP - Raystown Lake, PA
County/Twp./Boro Parks
BILGERS ROCK - Grampian, PA [40.9940 -78.5930] *
CHICKIES ROCK - Marietta, PA [40.4415 -75.5252] **
TOP SPOTS
Bouldering:
Rocky Ridge Natural Area (aka Hunters)
Nockamixon State Park (aka Haycock Mt.)
Whiskey Springs
Top Rope:
Shaffer Rocks
McConnells Mills
Sport:
Lost Crag
Indian Rocks/Lions Den
Blue Run Rocks
Trad:
Delaware Water Gap
Chickies Rock
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truello
Feb 1, 2007, 2:18 PM
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Nice work on this list. I've seen a few of the maps you've posted too and they're excellent. It'd be nice to have a lot of the topos for all over PA.
What would be awesome is a .GPX file containing all of this information. Then you could load up a site like http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ and it would plot it all onto Google Maps (you can choose Google Earth and just flat PNG images as well). Then each point becomes a clickable link which could open a .PDF containing more information and a map.
I've got quite a few coords from areas around here but you seem to already have the ones I am confident on. The others i've just found the area via topo maps or something and plan on confirming/updating them when I actually visit.
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truello
Feb 1, 2007, 2:43 PM
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I was entering some of these into my personal coordinate database and have some comments:
- Boxcar Rocks waypoint shows up on railroad tracks in Derry, PA (i've never been here but from what I remember they're near Harrisburg). These coordinates were on summitpost.org: 40.54680°N / 76.5261°W
- Clark Run Gorge waypoint on RC.com led me on a wild goose chase through the Charles Lewis Natural Area. We arrived at this waypoint and there were no rocks. We checked about a quarter mile radius and nothing. On our way back we found the actual rocks and I marked this point: 40.4114, -78.9793 (almost a mile from the point on RC.com). Also, I really don't think this area is worth the hike in for toproping. The rocks aren't very tall (30') but there is an abundance, would be a great bouldering area.
- Wolf Rocks coordinate is 40.20222, -78.75568. There is also a Wolf Rocks near Beams I guess but I haven't been to this one. This coordinate is for the one in the Gallitzin forest. Rocks are ~30' high and spraypainted to hell but there are a few decent routes. Only reason we went there is it was the closest climbing from UPJ.
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dharmatreez
Feb 1, 2007, 3:27 PM
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thanks truello, great idea
my intial plan was a cd that contained the free guide in .pdf (would contain the boulder sketches and route info) that is approx. 150 pages, and a large hunk of .jpegs of all the free public usage maps for the State lands
i could include on this a .gpx data file also, although coord. would be in the guide, this would allow one to upload to their gps unit or topo program
the website was great and would be nice to upload it all to there as well
thanks again
happy trails and safe climbing
jason
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dharmatreez
Feb 1, 2007, 3:38 PM
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truello wrote: - Clark Run Gorge... ...On our way back we found the actual rocks and I marked this point: 40.4114, -78.9793 (almost a mile from the point on RC.com).
thanks for this update, i have a solo backpack planned on the Laurel Highlands Trail, and planned on the last day as I passed the Clark Run Gorge to check these out. now i won't be wandering around
truello wrote: - There is also a Wolf Rocks near Beams I guess but I haven't been to this one. This coordinate is for the one in the Gallitzin forest. Rocks are ~30' high and spraypainted to hell but there are a few decent routes. Only reason we went there is it was the closest climbing from UPJ.
two years ago, i was there backpacking with a friend in the middle of winter, camped at the rocks and seen some possiblities thru the spray paint (yes, there is ALOT), but haven't made it back since to actually climb. the wolk rocks near beam rocks are listed as Ninety Foot Rocks on RC. There is a motorized camping spot, you can reserve free thru the Forbes State Forest Office that gives you a key to the gate on the road leading back to Ninety Foot Rocks (the camp is off of this road 3/4 back and the rocks are a short distance from the end), this allows for a nice overnight in the area and cuts back big time on the walking time to the rocks
i'll update the intial post with your observations in a few minutes
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eddietheteddie
Feb 23, 2007, 10:20 PM
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If your interested i have a chickies topo that im having reviewed right now, and a topo for boxcar rock that you can use if your putting together a free guidebook for pa. Email me here at eddietheteddie@rockclimbing.com if you want a copy.
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truello boxcar rock is just north of ft. indiantown gap, if you take 443 N, turn left on goldmine road its on the 2nd mtn that you drive over. Dont have a gps, otherwise id get the coordnates for you
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dharmatreez
Feb 27, 2007, 10:52 PM
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Thanks! ed
sent you an email
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slowhand
Feb 27, 2007, 11:09 PM
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dharmatreez wrote: truello wrote: - Clark Run Gorge... ...On our way back we found the actual rocks and I marked this point: 40.4114, -78.9793 (almost a mile from the point on RC.com). thanks for this update, i have a solo backpack planned on the Laurel Highlands Trail, and planned on the last day as I passed the Clark Run Gorge to check these out. now i won't be wandering around truello wrote: - There is also a Wolf Rocks near Beams I guess but I haven't been to this one. This coordinate is for the one in the Gallitzin forest. Rocks are ~30' high and spraypainted to hell but there are a few decent routes. Only reason we went there is it was the closest climbing from UPJ. two years ago, i was there backpacking with a friend in the middle of winter, camped at the rocks and seen some possiblities thru the spray paint (yes, there is ALOT), but haven't made it back since to actually climb. the wolk rocks near beam rocks are listed as Ninety Foot Rocks on RC. There is a motorized camping spot, you can reserve free thru the Forbes State Forest Office that gives you a key to the gate on the road leading back to Ninety Foot Rocks (the camp is off of this road 3/4 back and the rocks are a short distance from the end), this allows for a nice overnight in the area and cuts back big time on the walking time to the rocks i'll update the intial post with your observations in a few minutes thanks
I've been to a place called 90 ft rocks around Beams, but it was a hike through the woods straight up hill about half a mile. I believe it's posted by the Rolling Rock Club. There is a pull of across from the spring.
I don't know where exactly you are talking about?
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slowhand
Feb 27, 2007, 11:12 PM
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Where exactly is clark run gorge and how is it?
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chalker7
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Well since this thread is bound to be frequented by us PA folks, does anyone have beta on boxcar or an interest in developing the place a little bit? It's my home crag and I'm all about maintaining the area and documenting it.
Peace.
Colby.
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microbarn
Feb 28, 2007, 12:49 AM
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I have heard of a few areas that aren't on your list.
http://climbpa.telerama.com/climbpa.html
Tim is a great guy. He seems like one of the most knowledgeable people around this area. I would highly recommend talking to him face-to-face or over the phone.
I would also encourage you to run your list by the people at Exkursion
http://www.exkursion.com
Those are probably the best resourses for this area. They contain everything I know.
I am unsure of the access issues for Breakneck rocks. I encourage you to talk to Exkursion about that. The rumor I heard is that the 'standard' parking is on private ground. Then the normal path to the rocks is on private ground. However, the rocks are free game. The only things I can confirm is that there are no trespassing signs near the parking area and I never heard of anyone being thrown out.
Good luck with the work. Let me know if there is some way I might help.
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 1:09 AM
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slowhand wrote: I've been to a place called 90 ft rocks around Beams, but it was a hike through the woods straight up hill about half a mile. I believe it's posted by the Rolling Rock Club. There is a pull of across from the spring. I don't know where exactly you are talking about?
these are the same 90ft/Wolf Rocks i was referring to by Beam Rocks, you can access them from Linn Run Road at the parking by the spring you refer to with a stiff uphill climb, or if you reserve the Forbes State Forest Designated campsite #1, you will be camped along the gated J E Miller Road (off of Laurel Summit Road) and just off of Wolf Rocks trail with a approx. flat walk along the ridge top of about 1 mile to 90ft/Wolf Rocks, this puts you close to Beam Rocks too, which are just off of Laurel Summit Road with the parking area being a little ways before your right turn on to J E Miller Road, so with an overnight stay at the camp (its free, just needs reserved and the gate key sent to you), you could climb at 90ft rocks and Beam Rocks with legal overnight parking and camping in the vicinity
speaking of the area, i just got back from a solo snowshoe backpack on the Laurel Highlands Trail and found some great boulders off of RT30 - south on the Laurel Highlands Trail about 1 mile. the trail weaves right thru them for about 100 yards, seems to be a large boulder field. one boulder has an nice roof with a perfect hand crack splitting it from the base wall up, out and over. does anyone know of its name or history? it is on a small flat above two tributary valleys that eventually feed Lake Gloria, so i was just going to label them Lake Gloria Boulders when i draw up the topos. under the overhangs i found some chalk evidence so there has been some recent climbing here, any beta would be great
as to the area, it seems to be a nice ridge of boulders, starting at State Route #30 one could hike (with your pad) from the LHT trailhead to the "lake gloria" boulders then pass a few large boulders out on your left on the point up the next flat and then encounter some smaller boulders before and after Beam Run Road. continue along the Laurel Highlands Trail and right before Spruce Run you will find boulders off to your right in a bowl, there is various small boulders strewn then until Beam Rocks. with two cars you could go point to point (RT30 LHT Trailhead to Beam Rocks TR Parking), leave your rack at the Beam Rocks car, take your pad for the hike, and get in alot of climbing, with bouldering and a nice hike to warm up and then some good climbing at the end.
there is a place called South Rocks on the north side of RT30 (pointed out by truello from seeing it on geocache) by the shelter area that i was unable to locate due to a nasty winter storm and 20+mph wind that had me in my sleeping bag in the shelter all late afternoon and evening, but i'll be returning within a few weeks to try to find these rocks, start to map "lake gloria" boulders and the smaller boulder areas between RT30 and Beam Rocks (possibly to Laurel Summit SP) during another backpacking trip to the area, i can pass out to anyone who would be interested my intial topo of the area if you would want to explore it and find some routes
thanks again for everyone's help
long happy trails and safe climbing
jason
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 1:29 AM
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i've visited this site a few times in the past, and have some of the areas on a list of mine to find and plot to see what the land management and access is, i have only posted what i have conifidence in. when i get further along with the guide, its a great idea to hook up with Tim to fill in the blanks and correct mistakes
In reply to: I am unsure of the access issues for Breakneck rocks. I encourage you to talk to Exkursion about that. The rumor I heard is that the 'standard' parking is on private ground. Then the normal path to the rocks is on private ground. However, the rocks are free game. The only things I can confirm is that there are no trespassing signs near the parking area and I never heard of anyone being thrown out.
thanks alot, this is the kind of feedback i was hoping for. i'll be in contact with Exkursion soon. i will probably not include it if access thru private land to the public land is in jeopardy at all. is this "normal" parking and trail the only way in the rocks or just the easiest? if there is a different parking area and approach trail on State Game Land then only that could be included in the directions and might help to ease the impact thru private land
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chalker7
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Hey Jae,
Long time no talk, how ya been, lookin forward to shaffers.
Anyway, I was checkin out your topo sketches and they are great. I'm trying to so the same and document the entire area of Boxcar Rocks, so I was wondering if you had any advice. Specifically how do you scale your drawings to make sure that boulder sizes and distance between routes/problems are accurate? Do you actually measure the locations or do you just steal it out of your minds eye?
Boxcar is a really big (long) stretch of rock and I planned on measuring between routes and getting rough distances for the different clusters of rock. I need accuracy because I plan to implement my sketches into a simple free guidebook for the locals that needs distance values in the route descriptions.
Thanks for any advice you've got. See you at Shaffers soon. (and at the NRR from what I hear?)
Peace.
Colby.
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microbarn
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dharmatreez wrote: In reply to: I am unsure of the access issues for Breakneck rocks. I encourage you to talk to Exkursion about that. The rumor I heard is that the 'standard' parking is on private ground. Then the normal path to the rocks is on private ground. However, the rocks are free game. The only things I can confirm is that there are no trespassing signs near the parking area and I never heard of anyone being thrown out. thanks alot, this is the kind of feedback i was hoping for. i'll be in contact with Exkursion soon. i will probably not include it if access thru private land to the public land is in jeopardy at all. is this "normal" parking and trail the only way in the rocks or just the easiest? if there is a different parking area and approach trail on State Game Land then only that could be included in the directions and might help to ease the impact thru private land thanks jason
Honestly I am not the person in the know. Parking before the no trespassing signs seems open. Then, I would assume you could cut through public land in a round-about way. The few times I have gone since this has been an issue, I just took the chance of running across the 50 ft of private land to get to the public area. It is my belief the people are more annoyed because people don't back off the road all the way when parking.
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truello
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microbarn wrote: http://climbpa.telerama.com/climbpa.html Tim is a great guy. He seems like one of the most knowledgeable people around this area. I would highly recommend talking to him face-to-face or over the phone.
I'll second this. I haven't had the chance to meet him in person but he gave me his phone number after I emailed him questioning him about a certain area. A few weeks later I had another question so I called him and he was very friendly and helpful. Definitely does seem to know the crags around Western PA better than anyone i've met thus far.
I found out about Southrocks via geocaching.com strangely enough. Those geocachers love to place caches in points of interest so i've actually found a couple of areas that seem to be untouched this way.
Did you try finding the rocks via the coordinate Jae? I checked it out during the fall so it was a little bit warmer/drier. If you're in the area Beams/90' Rocks is better for TR but Southrocks is a definite bouldering possibility and has a few 25-30' TR possibilities if you get tired of the other climbs like I did. I do NOT know of the access issues of this area, though.
I'm very interested in the bouldering field you've found. Do you have coordinates by chance, or able to guesstimate via topomaps?
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dharmatreez
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chalker7 wrote: Hey Jae, I'm trying to... document the entire area of Boxcar Rocks, so I was wondering if you had any advice. Specifically how do you scale your drawings to make sure that boulder sizes and distance between routes/problems are accurate? Do you actually measure the locations or do you just steal it out of your minds eye?
its actually rare that i sketch the topos at the crag, my climbing partner Rusty has called me a "freak" in the past from showing up a few days after we have been to a new crag with a topo sketch i made from memory. i basically go from memory and exaggerate some features of the rock and area to help get your bearings at the crag. my route ticks on the rock are placed as accurately as possible (usally from the second trip with intial sketch in hand). nothing is to truly to scale but kept as aesthitic as possible. as to measuring, i break out my forestry tape rule only to measure anchor distance on the top from pro placements/bolts/trees to the edge to help one plan top roping gear. if the routes are close together like at Shaffers, then it might be helpful to measure starts (ie...route B is 7 feet right of route A), but that might be most helpful in the route descriptions, and there a standard tape rule will do the trick. if you are looking to measure climb height, the best bet would be a long piece of 2 or 3 mm cord with markings every foot and different markings every five feet, this would allow you to weight an end and walk along the top quickly estimating the various climb heights. even with an extensive past in drafting and architecture i have never broke out the drafting board to make any of the climbing topos, although it would be nice for basic layout, the organic shapes of boulders will be extremely hard to duplicate perfectly, while there are techniques that would allow it, the time spent would far out weigh any beta you could get, but drafting distances such as from the face of a boulder to the next or to place wall angles in correct alignment with others or just general size of boulders would be sweet (still would need extensive measuring and clear notetaking to use at the drafting table)
In reply to: Boxcar is a really big (long) stretch of rock and I planned on measuring between routes and getting rough distances for the different clusters of rock. I need accuracy because I plan to implement my sketches into a simple free guidebook for the locals that needs distance values in the route descriptions. Peace. Colby.
best advice i could give is for such a large area is a few progressive trips, starting by sketching intial layout and cluster areas, redrawing and refining before heading out again to draw the climable faces and boulders accurately in top view and roughly marking routes, then another redrawing before heading out to measure what you need to (adding all measurements to sketch) and defining the final route placements. with this info i would find a suitable scale and draft the area from the measurements you collected (this step will be the most time consuming)
with seemingly such a long ridge it will probably be easier to make an overview map that is to scale but will not show much defintion on the climbing areas. on this overview map, mark off and label the individual areas. then for each smaller area make a map specific for it. that should keep your accuracy good by keeping the plotting areas small (an example of this might be what i am still doing - they are not done yet - for Rocky Ridge Natural Area) and allow you to tackle it in more reasonable sections
i would love to help if you wanted me to. i think i would have about a 3 hour drive to the area, but that is more than reasonable for a day of mapping (something i love to do), maybe make a day of it and revise the intial maps over a trail lunch and retackle it in the afternoon, after that you might only need a day of measuring before final drafting (that i could also help with). send me a pm a little in advance of you heading out there and i'm sure i can make it for a day
jason
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eddietheteddie
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Chalker7 that second wall about 40ft past the main wall at boxcar is great, so few people ever go down their though. If you ever want to clean that place up or need help documenting more routes just let me know, i live pretty close. I definitly like the old rusty pitons there, a reminder from years past. Although the military does do climbing/ rappeling training their, but they dont use pitons (at least not anymore, cant vouch for the past)
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chalker7
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Jae,
I too have an extinsive drafting background and I do far better work when I'm at the table than I do with a sketchpad, but I agree that it wouldn't yield enough benefits to be feasible. I like the idea of the overview map and will likely do that, possibly in a fold out or as an extra so that its large enough.
I appreciate your offer to come and help. I know three hours is a hell of a drive, but I would be glad to have your help. It looks like eddietheteddie is interested in helping out as well so I'm thinking if we can get a group of people or even just the three of us we could make a great day of it and maybe a weekend for those of us who live close or wanna crash on the couch. I'm going to see if I can't pick a date and make a clean-up/mapping weekend for all parties interested. I'll be sure to post up here and definitely pm you so you can plan ahead. Thanks for all the beta and willingness to help.
Peace.
Colby.
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chalker7
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Filer,
I always wonder if the Ft. Indiantown Troops came that way, because I can here them doing large firearms drills when I'm climbing sometimes. Cool.
As for helping out I'd be more than happy to have you lend a hand. As I mentioned to Jae above, I think we should get a group to do some regular work at the area, cuz I love the place. Where do you live that's so close. I'm about 30-45 minutes away in Millersburg.
Peace.
Colby.
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eddietheteddie
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I live right outside of hershey, so its not far at all. did email you the boxcar topo too.
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dharmatreez
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truello wrote: Did you try finding the rocks via the coordinate Jae? I checked it out during the fall so it was a little bit warmer/drier.
unfortunately no, i encountered freezing rain from the warming hut on Laurel Summit Road to about a mile before the rocks and then it switched to heavy snow (with gathering wind), and by the time i reached the shelter area with plans to ditch gear and find Southrocks i had full white out conditions around me, with fine blowing sand snow powered by 20+mph winds, so i huddled up in the shelter and spent the rest of the day in there out of the wind
In reply to: I'm very interested in the bouldering field you've found. Do you have coordinates by chance, or able to guesstimate via topomaps?
just passed thru the boulder field quickly on the LHT, only stopping to catch my breath and drool over a few nice lines, plus i am anti-electronics while backpacking, so no gps hit. would not be able to quesstimate really, i made a sketch of my travels on the LHT in my backpacking journal that evening in the shelter, not sure how accurate it is, kinda a head down, sludge on day, but i attached a quick sketch i made from my journal map and notes, give me a few weeks and i will have a more accurate map for you to use this spring.
the boulder field (to the best of my memory) is less than a mile south on the Laurel Highlands Trail from the RT30 parking area, there would be a blue blazed trail from the parking area to the yellow blazed LHT, the Laurel Highlands Trail will go down hill to a small stream and bridge, up the other side of the small valley and onto the large flat shoulder, on top of this shoulder the LHT should wind thru the boulder field before heading thru some thick laurel on the far side of the shoulder before it drops down into another shallow valley with two bridges and Mile Marker #45 (didn't see it, somewhere under the 2+ft of snow), the Mile Marker #46 is only about 100 yards on the north side of RT30, so i am estimating the rocks to be around .75 miles from RT30 south on the LHT
Laurel Ridge State Park - North
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/...aurelridge_maps.aspx
*this map will lack detail but will give you mileage markers and basic elevation data
Laurel Highlands Trail System - Forbes State Forest
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/...sLaurelHighlands.pdf
*this map has more contour line data, but the shoulder where the field might sit is in the upper right corner, the boulders could actually sit right where the LHT goes off the map, unfortunately the segment between there and RT30 is not shown
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Feb 28, 2007, 3:23 PM
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Filer,
I checked my email for your topo and my inbox is empty. So something must have went wrong in that process. My hotmail is chalker777@hotmail.com so it might work if you send it there. Thanks.
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lodi5onu
Feb 28, 2007, 3:58 PM
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yes wolf rocks in gallitzin forest is a sweet high-ball bouldering junction. a pretty nice roof there too as i remember from my days at upj...several crashpads are nice as some of the high falls can be nasty landings (boulders and small chimneys below)
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eddietheteddie
Feb 28, 2007, 4:13 PM
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alright sent it again, to your other email. For some reason my mail keeps telling me I have 1000+ emails in my inbox, i sure dont see them.
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chalker7
Feb 28, 2007, 4:49 PM
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Alright! I got it on the hotmail account that time, thanks. You wouldn't happen to know (or anyone else for that matter) the name and grade of the crack to the right of Rob's Line, would you? I've only tried it once when it was wet and failed. If no one claims it I'm gonna snag the FA once the weather breaks. Thanks.
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Feb 28, 2007, 4:57 PM
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while it might not be know yet, there are a few boulders in tyler state park along the creek next to the dam near the boat launch. If you look around near the water you can see almost 100 routes covered in chalk.
just to the left of the dam, a bouler with 10+ routes on it can be visible but it's only accseible durring dry times
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dharmatreez
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mushroomsamba wrote: ...a few boulders in tyler state park along the creek next to the dam near the boat launch. If you look around near the water you can see almost 100 routes covered in chalk... ...just to the left of the dam, a bouler with 10+ routes on it can be visible but it's only accseible durring dry times
thanks mushroomsamba (my favortie episode of Cowboy Bebop, btw), i updated the original post and found this public usage map quickly
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/...tyler/tyler_mini.pdf
sounds like something to visit and add to the guide
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Feb 28, 2007, 5:13 PM
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microbarn wrote: I am unsure of the access issues for Breakneck rocks. I encourage you to talk to Exkursion about that. The rumor I heard is that the 'standard' parking is on private ground. Then the normal path to the rocks is on private ground. However, the rocks are free game. The only things I can confirm is that there are no trespassing signs near the parking area and I never heard of anyone being thrown out.
Dan, what do you consider the 'standard' parking area at Breakneck? There seem to be two places that people use, the side of the road very close to the trailhead (labeled on Tim's map), and the area prior to that (the wide dirt 'lot' on the hillside to your right as you approach.
I've never had trouble parking off the side of the road. However, we did receive a note on the windshield when parked in the 'lot' area. It was pretty kind despite the words 'tow truck', but stressed the need to leave space for locals. We were the only people parked there at the start of the day. Just mentioning it FWIW.
Parking seems to be the only real issue, as most of the locals have been really friendly when we've bumped into them.
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dharmatreez
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Rob Holtzman's rc name is "roclimb" and he is a regional coordinator for the Access Fund, i believe he lives in the hershey area and would probably be able to help you guys with boxcar beta, i believe i remember some vandalism there (spray paint) last fall that he was trying to get a group to clean it up. if that still needs work, count me in
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Feb 28, 2007, 6:22 PM
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Id talk to rob holtzman about that route, hes been climbing there much longer than I have. look on this link to the ari
http://www.climbing.com/community/ari/pa/
he bolted some routes their that I couldnt get any beta on, but im gonna email him today and find out, ill let you knw what I hear. Never heard what happened to the cleanup day at boxcar, had a couple friends ready to help, oh well.
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Boxcar is a nasty climb when its wet all that nasty moss all over everything holds the water in for days.
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microbarn
Feb 28, 2007, 6:27 PM
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mark,
The standard area I was refering to was at the trailhead and is labeled on the map. There are definitely signs prior to arriving at the trailhead that say 'no trespassing'. Though, they could be meant for salesmen or such. I am glad you mentioned the note you received. This is the area I thought it was OK to park at.
So, from my standpoint, it seems as though parking is an issue at Breakneck. Maybe that one should be removed from the list until the parking is resolved.
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eddietheteddie
Feb 28, 2007, 6:38 PM
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Alright so heres where things stand pending robs response
-Sent him a boxcar topo to correct/add unlisted routes(ie. ARI)
-Asked about graffiti removal and a posibble spring cleanup day
So assuming my email is actully working now he shuld get back to us soon.
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microbarn wrote: mark, The standard area I was refering to was at the trailhead and is labeled on the map. There are definitely signs prior to arriving at the trailhead that say 'no trespassing'. Though, they could be meant for salesmen or such. I am glad you mentioned the note you received. This is the area I thought it was OK to park at. So, from my standpoint, it seems as though parking is an issue at Breakneck. Maybe that one should be removed from the list until the parking is resolved.
I've parked in the outer area many times, and that was the first time I received any complaints. If it looks like it's filling up, I'd avoid it. I may just try to park well off the road in the standard spot. I haven't had any problems parking there.
As a general recommendation for anyone new to Breakneck, I'd suggest carpooling whenever possible. There's only room for a few cars in the pull-off area, and 4 - 5 in the outer area.
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Feb 28, 2007, 7:28 PM
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microbarn wrote: So, from my standpoint, it seems as though parking is an issue at Breakneck. Maybe that one should be removed from the list until the parking is resolved.
agreed, i was unable to verify that there is even PA State Game Lands at the rocks, SGL #51 is the land in the area around Connellsville and does not extend up to Breakneck, intially i thought it was a piece of land-locked public land, but know i have my doubts, so i'll remove it for now
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you seem to have checked your sources more thoroughly then I, but my rumor mill confirms it is NOT public land. I always heard it was something like a logging company that didn't mind climbers coming to the rocks.
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dharmatreez
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while searching for Breakneck on the PASGL Map #51, there is a location marked called "Elk Rock", it is located just off of of a SGL Road.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/...=9&rgn=Southwest
directions from Dunbar would be:
take SR1055 south from Dunbar along Dunbar Creek and then Tucker Run until a left onto TR545
on TR545, you would want to turn left into the state game lands and up onto Chestnut Ridge on a SGL forest road (or jeep trail?) and the rocks would be a short distance along this road (presumably on the right between two tributary valleys on a point that feed down the ridge to the west Morgan Run)
is anyone familar with this area?
would this be the Elk Rocks that Tim has on his climbPA page?
if this is a climbing spot, then it is well situated on public land and should have no access issues with a SGL road (or jeep trail?) going right to it
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you probably wish I would stop responding since I can only confirm rumors on a lot of this stuff.
I don't have the same map you are looking at in front of me, but you seem to be describing the area I know Elk Rocks to exist at. I have never been to Elk Rocks so outside of knowing it is in the same general area as Dunbar, I am useless. Cow Rocks is supposed to be very close to Elk Rocks. I think I remember hearing they are essentially the same band of rocks, but with a long scramble between them. Evidently if you see them from the road they look like an almost continuous cliff.
I know that ALL of that area has tons of exposed rocks. Almost all of Tim's directions start from Dunbar. :)
I think you should probably add Rob's Knobs to your list of trad places. It is on the hill next to Lost Crag. I walked up there once as a beginner. The blocks were all free standing and there were only a FEW OLD bolts spread around the blocks. I think I remembering that there were enough routes too keep one busy though. I should make another trip up there now that I have a little bit of trad experience.
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 8:01 PM
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microbarn wrote: you probably wish I would stop responding since I can only confirm rumors on a lot of this stuff.
not at all, this is what i was hoping for to debunk myths and sort out what is and is not on public land
In reply to: I don't have the same map you are looking at in front of me, but you seem to be describing the area I know Elk Rocks to exist at.
here is a link to the map, couldn't attach it, too big
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/...=9&rgn=Southwest
In reply to: I think you should probably add Rob's Knobs to your list of trad places. It is on the hill next to Lost Crag. I walked up there once as a beginner. The blocks were all free standing and there were only a FEW OLD bolts spread around the blocks. I think I remembering that there were enough routes too keep one busy though. I should make another trip up there now that I have a little bit of trad experience.
thanks, when i finally get a chance to visit Lost Crag, i'll check this area out and determine land usage
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Feb 28, 2007, 8:03 PM
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Good Good. Let me know what you find out Filer.
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dharmatreez
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OP edited to add Castle Rock at Ravensburg State Park, Mifflinburg, PA
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dharmatreez
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OP edited to add Trough Creek State Park at Raystown Lake
has anyone climbed here?
a winter backpacking trip on the Terrace Mountain Trail took me thru here a few years ago. there is a large overlook with large boulders around the "Balanced Rock"
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eddietheeddie,
Just saw this post. My e-mail is not working at the moment, could you resend the contents of the e-mail in a PM here?
To answer the questions in this post above about Boxcar:
There are new anchors above the Whale formation, a new set right of that that were spray-painted over by someone, another set just right of that that replaced an old set near ther ethat were hacked off a few years back. There are two more sets down at the left end of the main cliff near Russells Ruin--the crack--and Autumns Child. Farther down the outcrop there is a new set of anchors also; about 1/2 mile past the main outcrop.
The game comission didn't want the cleanup during hunting season, so I bagged the idea for Nov thru winter. I would like to have one this spring once it gets warmer. Anyone interested? Any month better or worse?
~Rob
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dharmatreez
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roclimb wrote: ... I would like to have one this spring once it gets warmer. Anyone interested? Any month better or worse? ~Rob
count me in
after the end of may is good for me, i'm done with spring trail maintenance then and my weekends become flexible, but that is just me, i'm sure i can squeeze it in earlier if that's when it works out
btw, is there a method you decided on for the graffiti clean up?
any tools and gear that you still might be looking for, let me know, i can see what i can dig up from my stash or borrow from a trail club
be in touch
happy trails and safe climbing
jason
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eddietheteddie
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Id be up for a cleanup also, whenever works for me. Tried to PM the topo to you but its to big, PM me a different email acount of yours and ill get it to you. If you could marks any unlisted routes that would be great, and all bolts. The routes i have are the ones listed here on rc.com, the ones you bolted with the ARI i couldnt find any info on.
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Mar 15, 2007, 6:53 PM
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hmmmm... Interesting. I was unaware of rocks at Tyler State Park. Anyone have more info? Are they diabase?
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dharmatreez
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OP edited to add...
two areas on the AT around the Hawk Mountain Sanctuary - The Pulpit and Pinnacle Rocks
happy trails and safe climbing this spring!
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Mar 26, 2007, 2:12 AM
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Lost Crag Coordinate: 39.919033, -79.581700 (2062 ft. elevation)
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while not on public land i did see a nice cliff down past chickies. It was on the left while driving on 441 south from chickies. It was the largest of several. Its not Safe harbor or sex wall (that im aware of, theve been closed so long ive never been to either, but going off of all descriptions of the two), its right behind a house just off the road. Anyone see this place before, or any info on it.
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dharmatreez
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OP edited to add Lost Crag coordinates
thanks! andy (truello)
everyone have a fun and safe spring!!!
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eddietheteddie wrote: while not on public land i did see a nice cliff down past chickies. It was on the left while driving on 441 south from chickies. It was the largest of several. Its not Safe harbor or sex wall (that im aware of, theve been closed so long ive never been to either, but going off of all descriptions of the two), its right behind a house just off the road. Anyone see this place before, or any info on it.
If you mean the one by Long Level, south of Colombia, I've always looked at it driving past, but the house (trailer?) and the fact that it's right by the road always made it seem pretty likely no access. Plus, you never see anyone climbing it. Pretty sheer crag, though.
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Mar 27, 2007, 2:54 PM
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I'm in for the boxcar clean-up so just let me know a couple weeks in advance.
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eddietheteddie
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yeah thats the place, might be something the PMA or acces fund should look into developing. Looks like a decent place.
BTW new climb PA guidebook is out, just got my copy, a must buy.
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Curt Harler wrote: For all of you rock jocks out there, the latest edition of CLIMB PENNSYLVANIA is now available. This second edition of the classic work first done in 1985 is expanded from 36 to 68 pages and is updated with new rock climbing areas, bouldering spots, ice climbing, indoor gyms, and lots of photos. Send your mailing address with cash, check or money order for $10 (includes postage and handling) to: Curt Harler 12936 Falling Water Strongsville, OH 44136 I'll even autograph your copy, if you'd like. Thanks for your interest, Curt Harler
FYI for others.
I ordered mine a few days ago, haven't seen the first one so this should be very interesting.
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dharmatreez
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i got mine a few weeks ago. it was not what i was expecting but aside from a few small beefs, to me it was still a good buy.
i have only seen random pages from the old guide, so i was dissappointed to find no maps in the new one, as the old guide had decent ones. there is one overview map of PA with locations ticked, but the scale and accuracy does not lend it to help with travel
overall there is 58 climbing locations (rock and bouldering only, not including ice and gyms).
23 of those are CLOSED (and a few are destroyed from housing development), that is almost 40% of the guide that is only historic. i personally never consider climbing at such areas, BUT would never pass judgement on another individual that does.
2 locations are out of Pennsylvania, Coopers Rock in WV and Cadrerock in MD
(...all of the above has motivated me even more)
there is a few routes described for most locations and they are written well and seemed to be identified well enough to find
if you climb ice there seems to be quite abit of new info and locations added with some areas described and an extensive list of waterfall locations around the state
the indoor climbing section seems to be comprehensive as well and seems to have a listing in all the major towns and cities around the state and anyone can find one within a reasonable drive
overall it was a good pickup, one should defientely grab it up this spring, you'll have a full season of climbing
happy trails and safe climbing
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My concern is that it is just going to tell me what I already know. Is it missing any areas that we know about, or is it pretty comprehensive?
It's a little disappointing to hear about the lack of maps, but it was only $10 so I'll take what I can get.
It's too bad he couldn't make use of some of dharmatreez' awesome topos 
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truello wrote: Is it missing any areas that we know about, or is it pretty comprehensive
missing maybe about half (?) or more of the OP listing
In reply to: It's a little disappointing to hear about the lack of maps, but it was only $10 so I'll take what I can get.
its worth the 10 for sure, there is good route info for some areas and there might be a few areas not on someone's radar
In reply to: It's too bad he couldn't make use of some of dharmatreez' awesome topos
one might see that as copyright infringement, just kidding, i don't care what happens to them after i post, use them in a guide (i don't know they are that good), or if they end up starting your campfire, at least they were helpful
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Aren't the majority of the areas addressed in the guide located in central and eastern PA?
I heard that it wasn't particularly useful for those in Western PA.
Can you confirm or deny this rumor?
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looks like western PA areas listings for include:
Climbing Area Section
- McConnell's Mill State Park
- Dickson Quarry
- Dunbar (a generic listing that is Krahlick, Coll's Cove, and Rebecca Rock)
- White Rocks (Uniontown)
- Mt. Davis (not a climbing area, but it's listed)
Bouldering Section
- Beartown Rocks
- Wolf Rocks (Windber - by Johnstown)
didn't notice that, you can pretty much put a line just past Johnstown running north to south, and everything else would be east of that line
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dharmatreez wrote: i don't care what happens to them after i post, use them in a guide (i don't know they are that good), or if they end up starting your campfire, at least they were helpful jae
I was thinking more of an aid to bowel evacuation. Hah, j/k.
That surprises me about it being mostly eastern/central PA. I figured if he was from Strongsville, OH (near Cleveland) the majority of the climbs would be western PA. Especially since eastern PA is just as far of a drive from there as WV.
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I was a bit suprised to see the focus on central PA crags. But it was interesting to see how some of the smaller spots had allota routes listed and larger ones few. Some decent photos too.
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The new climb PA is pretty cool; sad to see soo many closed areas in the book though. Other than that it's pretty nice.
FYI, Climbing and Bouldering Pennsylvania will FINALLY be available June 07. 400 pages of topos, descriptions, and a good bit of areas unknown to many climbers. All on public lands.
About the ARI at Boxcar,
Moby Neils anchor was vandilized and removed. I plan to go up next week and replace it ... again. This time it will be moved under the cliff where people cant remove the hangers or paint them.
The route listed as unnamed route is the route farther down the lead wall that has a set of chains on it. There is an anchor above an overhang (trad route) that is new--also vandized by paint--but was not part of ARI. Another anchor was placed above a climb called Retro Vertigo but one of the bolts was pulled off by somone.
I think next Wed. I may try to swing by after work and replace some hardware if anyone is nearby and out climbing?
~Rob
(This post was edited by roclimb on Mar 28, 2007, 9:44 PM)
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cintune
Mar 28, 2007, 10:12 PM
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Posted this a while back in its own thread, but here goes again, fyi:
Travis Gault has published a 72-page guidebook to bouldering sites in the South Mountain/Piedmont areas, all within about 50 miles of Harrisburg. Sites described with detailed directions, maps, pics and ticklists include:
Whiskey Springs (54 climbs)
Mt. Gretna (70 climbs)
Walnut Bottom (69 climbs)
Purgatory (14 climbs)
Tumbling Run (49 climbs)
To order a copy or for more info call Travis at the Climbnasium, 717-795-9580.
Copies also available at Wildware, I think.
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eddietheteddie
Mar 28, 2007, 11:38 PM
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will this new guidebook be available online or at a gym? btw roclimb, the chains at (the unamed route?, the ones on the rock 20ft above retro vertigo) were spray painted and the chains later removed by someone, the hangers are still their though. If your gonna replace some stuff for sure next wedsday id be interested in helping (never bolted before) and to discuss a crag right along the road between chickies and safe harbor.
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chalker7
Mar 29, 2007, 12:21 AM
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Don't mean to hijack at all, but since there's a good bit of chatter about Boxcar from many of us here, I will. I plan to be at boxcar either Saturday or Sunday or both. If any are interested, PM me.
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chronicle
Mar 29, 2007, 5:14 PM
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Rob, glad to hear the guide is getting printed. I know I've been asking you about it since 2004, and it's was in the works for a while before that. I'm sure you're estatic to see this come to fruition.
Where will be able to purchase the guide?
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truello
Mar 29, 2007, 9:34 PM
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Got my guide in the mail today. Doesn't look like it'll be extremely useful to me but its nice to have. Like someone mentioned above, he doesn't get too indepth with the areas. For example, McConnells Mill has 3 routes listed.
Anyone else notice that he marked Krahlick as NORTH of Pittsburgh on his map? 
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dharmatreez
Apr 2, 2007, 1:21 PM
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nice Rob!
i've been waiting to hear something on your guide for a few years now it seems.
sort of the reason i started this free one, something to hold me over until the PA "bible" comes out.
i'm stoked!
jae
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roclimb
Apr 3, 2007, 10:03 PM
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eddietheeddie,
yeah, I plan to go to boxcar tomarrow night (wed). Should be there around 5:00. Sooner if I get done with my patients earlier. Feel free to swing by.
That sucks the chains were removed. I thought I put industrial lock-tite on them but must have only on the hangers.
~Rob
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eddietheteddie
Apr 4, 2007, 12:23 AM
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yeah ill try to be their, got a venture crew thing that night. But since they all climb, maybe well have it at boxcar. It is supposed to rai a bit tommorow though.
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dug1985
May 21, 2007, 3:01 AM
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mt minsi? any idea where that is cause i live right in the watergap and never hear of it. Directions? |
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dug1985
May 21, 2007, 1:58 PM
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Yeah ive climbed there alot and just never heard anyone call it mt minsi. I thought it was some seceret boulder area that noone knew about.
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blubeard
Aug 22, 2007, 4:02 PM
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You haven't included Birdsboro, Livezey rocks.
Also, there is the Henry ave bridge in Philadelphia.....
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elwood54
Aug 24, 2007, 2:34 AM
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Hey Guys,
It seems like there are a lot of "guides" to climbing in PA out there being sold in random gyms. Does anyone have a list. I've already ordered (and received) the Climb Penn pamphlet by Curt Harler. Anyone have a list of everything that's out there, and how to order. I'm especially interested in the boulering at Haycock Mt.
Thanks,
Mike
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cintune
Aug 25, 2007, 2:09 AM
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Not Haycock, but for nearby (more or less) Pa. diabase, Travis Gault has a lot of Mt. Gretna areas in good detail in his guidebook. Call Climbnasium (717) 795-9580 and ask for Travis.
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roclimb
Aug 25, 2007, 4:05 PM
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Elwood,
There is a free online guide for a section of Haycock called Hanger 18.
its on www.paclimbing.com under the online guides section.
most of the site is still very much in its development stages
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brlpsualum
May 30, 2010, 6:45 PM
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just bumped into an old post of yours .. very good list of climbing locations in pa. thanks.
Have you ever been to Ravensburg SP (Castle Rock) ?
If you have.. are the boulders hard to find / any advice ?
Thanks
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