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chalker7
Feb 28, 2007, 4:49 PM
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Alright! I got it on the hotmail account that time, thanks. You wouldn't happen to know (or anyone else for that matter) the name and grade of the crack to the right of Rob's Line, would you? I've only tried it once when it was wet and failed. If no one claims it I'm gonna snag the FA once the weather breaks. Thanks.
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mushroomsamba
Feb 28, 2007, 4:57 PM
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while it might not be know yet, there are a few boulders in tyler state park along the creek next to the dam near the boat launch. If you look around near the water you can see almost 100 routes covered in chalk.
just to the left of the dam, a bouler with 10+ routes on it can be visible but it's only accseible durring dry times
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 5:06 PM
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mushroomsamba wrote: ...a few boulders in tyler state park along the creek next to the dam near the boat launch. If you look around near the water you can see almost 100 routes covered in chalk... ...just to the left of the dam, a bouler with 10+ routes on it can be visible but it's only accseible durring dry times
thanks mushroomsamba (my favortie episode of Cowboy Bebop, btw), i updated the original post and found this public usage map quickly
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/...tyler/tyler_mini.pdf
sounds like something to visit and add to the guide
jason
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markc
Feb 28, 2007, 5:13 PM
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microbarn wrote: I am unsure of the access issues for Breakneck rocks. I encourage you to talk to Exkursion about that. The rumor I heard is that the 'standard' parking is on private ground. Then the normal path to the rocks is on private ground. However, the rocks are free game. The only things I can confirm is that there are no trespassing signs near the parking area and I never heard of anyone being thrown out.
Dan, what do you consider the 'standard' parking area at Breakneck? There seem to be two places that people use, the side of the road very close to the trailhead (labeled on Tim's map), and the area prior to that (the wide dirt 'lot' on the hillside to your right as you approach.
I've never had trouble parking off the side of the road. However, we did receive a note on the windshield when parked in the 'lot' area. It was pretty kind despite the words 'tow truck', but stressed the need to leave space for locals. We were the only people parked there at the start of the day. Just mentioning it FWIW.
Parking seems to be the only real issue, as most of the locals have been really friendly when we've bumped into them.
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 5:27 PM
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Rob Holtzman's rc name is "roclimb" and he is a regional coordinator for the Access Fund, i believe he lives in the hershey area and would probably be able to help you guys with boxcar beta, i believe i remember some vandalism there (spray paint) last fall that he was trying to get a group to clean it up. if that still needs work, count me in
jason
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eddietheteddie
Feb 28, 2007, 6:22 PM
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Id talk to rob holtzman about that route, hes been climbing there much longer than I have. look on this link to the ari
http://www.climbing.com/community/ari/pa/
he bolted some routes their that I couldnt get any beta on, but im gonna email him today and find out, ill let you knw what I hear. Never heard what happened to the cleanup day at boxcar, had a couple friends ready to help, oh well.
Filer
Boxcar is a nasty climb when its wet all that nasty moss all over everything holds the water in for days.
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microbarn
Feb 28, 2007, 6:27 PM
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mark,
The standard area I was refering to was at the trailhead and is labeled on the map. There are definitely signs prior to arriving at the trailhead that say 'no trespassing'. Though, they could be meant for salesmen or such. I am glad you mentioned the note you received. This is the area I thought it was OK to park at.
So, from my standpoint, it seems as though parking is an issue at Breakneck. Maybe that one should be removed from the list until the parking is resolved.
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eddietheteddie
Feb 28, 2007, 6:38 PM
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Alright so heres where things stand pending robs response
-Sent him a boxcar topo to correct/add unlisted routes(ie. ARI)
-Asked about graffiti removal and a posibble spring cleanup day
So assuming my email is actully working now he shuld get back to us soon.
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markc
Feb 28, 2007, 6:53 PM
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microbarn wrote: mark, The standard area I was refering to was at the trailhead and is labeled on the map. There are definitely signs prior to arriving at the trailhead that say 'no trespassing'. Though, they could be meant for salesmen or such. I am glad you mentioned the note you received. This is the area I thought it was OK to park at. So, from my standpoint, it seems as though parking is an issue at Breakneck. Maybe that one should be removed from the list until the parking is resolved.
I've parked in the outer area many times, and that was the first time I received any complaints. If it looks like it's filling up, I'd avoid it. I may just try to park well off the road in the standard spot. I haven't had any problems parking there.
As a general recommendation for anyone new to Breakneck, I'd suggest carpooling whenever possible. There's only room for a few cars in the pull-off area, and 4 - 5 in the outer area.
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 7:28 PM
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microbarn wrote: So, from my standpoint, it seems as though parking is an issue at Breakneck. Maybe that one should be removed from the list until the parking is resolved.
agreed, i was unable to verify that there is even PA State Game Lands at the rocks, SGL #51 is the land in the area around Connellsville and does not extend up to Breakneck, intially i thought it was a piece of land-locked public land, but know i have my doubts, so i'll remove it for now
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microbarn
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you seem to have checked your sources more thoroughly then I, but my rumor mill confirms it is NOT public land. I always heard it was something like a logging company that didn't mind climbers coming to the rocks.
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 7:39 PM
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while searching for Breakneck on the PASGL Map #51, there is a location marked called "Elk Rock", it is located just off of of a SGL Road.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/...=9&rgn=Southwest
directions from Dunbar would be:
take SR1055 south from Dunbar along Dunbar Creek and then Tucker Run until a left onto TR545
on TR545, you would want to turn left into the state game lands and up onto Chestnut Ridge on a SGL forest road (or jeep trail?) and the rocks would be a short distance along this road (presumably on the right between two tributary valleys on a point that feed down the ridge to the west Morgan Run)
is anyone familar with this area?
would this be the Elk Rocks that Tim has on his climbPA page?
if this is a climbing spot, then it is well situated on public land and should have no access issues with a SGL road (or jeep trail?) going right to it
jason
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microbarn
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you probably wish I would stop responding since I can only confirm rumors on a lot of this stuff.
I don't have the same map you are looking at in front of me, but you seem to be describing the area I know Elk Rocks to exist at. I have never been to Elk Rocks so outside of knowing it is in the same general area as Dunbar, I am useless. Cow Rocks is supposed to be very close to Elk Rocks. I think I remember hearing they are essentially the same band of rocks, but with a long scramble between them. Evidently if you see them from the road they look like an almost continuous cliff.
I know that ALL of that area has tons of exposed rocks. Almost all of Tim's directions start from Dunbar. :)
I think you should probably add Rob's Knobs to your list of trad places. It is on the hill next to Lost Crag. I walked up there once as a beginner. The blocks were all free standing and there were only a FEW OLD bolts spread around the blocks. I think I remembering that there were enough routes too keep one busy though. I should make another trip up there now that I have a little bit of trad experience.
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dharmatreez
Feb 28, 2007, 8:01 PM
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microbarn wrote: you probably wish I would stop responding since I can only confirm rumors on a lot of this stuff.
not at all, this is what i was hoping for to debunk myths and sort out what is and is not on public land
In reply to: I don't have the same map you are looking at in front of me, but you seem to be describing the area I know Elk Rocks to exist at.
here is a link to the map, couldn't attach it, too big
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/...=9&rgn=Southwest
In reply to: I think you should probably add Rob's Knobs to your list of trad places. It is on the hill next to Lost Crag. I walked up there once as a beginner. The blocks were all free standing and there were only a FEW OLD bolts spread around the blocks. I think I remembering that there were enough routes too keep one busy though. I should make another trip up there now that I have a little bit of trad experience.
thanks, when i finally get a chance to visit Lost Crag, i'll check this area out and determine land usage
jason
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chalker7
Feb 28, 2007, 8:03 PM
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Good Good. Let me know what you find out Filer.
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dharmatreez
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OP edited to add Castle Rock at Ravensburg State Park, Mifflinburg, PA
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dharmatreez
Mar 8, 2007, 4:13 PM
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OP edited to add Trough Creek State Park at Raystown Lake
has anyone climbed here?
a winter backpacking trip on the Terrace Mountain Trail took me thru here a few years ago. there is a large overlook with large boulders around the "Balanced Rock"
jason
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roclimb
Mar 11, 2007, 7:31 PM
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eddietheeddie,
Just saw this post. My e-mail is not working at the moment, could you resend the contents of the e-mail in a PM here?
To answer the questions in this post above about Boxcar:
There are new anchors above the Whale formation, a new set right of that that were spray-painted over by someone, another set just right of that that replaced an old set near ther ethat were hacked off a few years back. There are two more sets down at the left end of the main cliff near Russells Ruin--the crack--and Autumns Child. Farther down the outcrop there is a new set of anchors also; about 1/2 mile past the main outcrop.
The game comission didn't want the cleanup during hunting season, so I bagged the idea for Nov thru winter. I would like to have one this spring once it gets warmer. Anyone interested? Any month better or worse?
~Rob
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dharmatreez
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roclimb wrote: ... I would like to have one this spring once it gets warmer. Anyone interested? Any month better or worse? ~Rob
count me in
after the end of may is good for me, i'm done with spring trail maintenance then and my weekends become flexible, but that is just me, i'm sure i can squeeze it in earlier if that's when it works out
btw, is there a method you decided on for the graffiti clean up?
any tools and gear that you still might be looking for, let me know, i can see what i can dig up from my stash or borrow from a trail club
be in touch
happy trails and safe climbing
jason
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eddietheteddie
Mar 12, 2007, 11:19 PM
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Id be up for a cleanup also, whenever works for me. Tried to PM the topo to you but its to big, PM me a different email acount of yours and ill get it to you. If you could marks any unlisted routes that would be great, and all bolts. The routes i have are the ones listed here on rc.com, the ones you bolted with the ARI i couldnt find any info on.
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jkarns
Mar 15, 2007, 6:53 PM
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hmmmm... Interesting. I was unaware of rocks at Tyler State Park. Anyone have more info? Are they diabase?
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dharmatreez
Mar 19, 2007, 10:20 PM
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OP edited to add...
two areas on the AT around the Hawk Mountain Sanctuary - The Pulpit and Pinnacle Rocks
happy trails and safe climbing this spring!
jason
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truello
Mar 26, 2007, 2:12 AM
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Lost Crag Coordinate: 39.919033, -79.581700 (2062 ft. elevation)
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eddietheteddie
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while not on public land i did see a nice cliff down past chickies. It was on the left while driving on 441 south from chickies. It was the largest of several. Its not Safe harbor or sex wall (that im aware of, theve been closed so long ive never been to either, but going off of all descriptions of the two), its right behind a house just off the road. Anyone see this place before, or any info on it.
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