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EPiCJAMES
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fitzontherocks wrote: oldsalt wrote: The bottom line to me is that my silence does not disturb others. Your music may or may not, but only they know. It is, in old fashioned terms, rude to impose your version of outdoor life on others. Trophy. It's like the smoking in restaurants issue. Nobody's compromised by a NON-smoking section or restaurant. But ALL non-smokers are offended when somebody blows their smoke on 'em. Common sense, children. You can't pee in only one part of the swimming pool.
smoking causes lung cancer. music causes what, geezers complaining about not hearing the birds? no comparison.
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zeke_sf
Oct 3, 2007, 8:41 PM
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EPiCJAMES wrote: fitzontherocks wrote: oldsalt wrote: The bottom line to me is that my silence does not disturb others. Your music may or may not, but only they know. It is, in old fashioned terms, rude to impose your version of outdoor life on others. Trophy. It's like the smoking in restaurants issue. Nobody's compromised by a NON-smoking section or restaurant. But ALL non-smokers are offended when somebody blows their smoke on 'em. Common sense, children. You can't pee in only one part of the swimming pool. smoking causes lung cancer. music causes what, geezers complaining about not hearing the birds? no comparison.
You could just play The Byrds for the geezers. Problem solved.
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NSFW
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oldsalt wrote: zeke_sf wrote: You could just play The Byrds for the geezers. Problem solved. Zeke, you are a genius! How about playing the Animals? The Beatles? The MONKEES! We geezers would love it.
woo hoo The Boxtops 
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angry_nature_lover
Oct 3, 2007, 11:26 PM
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EPiCJAMES wrote: i'm not going to turn it off. w
So, you are at least being honest that you are an inconsiderate hillbilly. Thanks!
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carlos_a
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climbs4fun wrote: I think it's less of an access issue, especially at a place like Jtree where it's less than quiet anyhow, and more of a safety issue since there is almostly always more than one party and hearing your partner can be an issue even when there isn't music. It's just common courtesy to leave it at home.
I completely 100% agree, that it can be a safety issue, and that is definitely a problem. However it still doesn't change my initial thoughts on the matter, it is just as much their right to play it as it is your right to not have to hear it. As far as it being a common courtesy, some would say it is while others would not. Everyone thinks differently and that is part of life. I could go on and on, but long story short it is neither "wrong" or "right". Use simple communication skills and ask the person not to do it if its bothering you. Just think, you showing up and climbing a line right next to thiers may be rude in thier eyes. Once again I personally hate music when I am climbing. Oh and don't compare "noise pollution" to the pollution from someones car, one of them actually is a problem.
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carlos_a
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Oh, just wanted to clarify that the only part of my post directed toward climbs4fun was that I agreed with it possibly being a safety issue. The rest of the last post was toward the general post reader.
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angry_nature_lover
Oct 3, 2007, 11:46 PM
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carlos_a wrote: Oh and don't compare "noise pollution" to the pollution from someones car, one of them actually is a problem.
actually, noise pollution is a huge problem in the us. Loud motorcycles, purposefully loud exhaust on "tough guy" (milliimeter peter) trucks, booming bass, etc......
parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution!
it will ruin access...it will.....
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Oct 3, 2007, 11:56 PM
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welcome to the world, here you have to deal with other people. If you don't want to deal with crowds and such don't go to joshua tree and the fucking thin wall at that! If you have a problem with someone, say something to them and deal with that particular situation at that time, instead of this pussy stuff and then acting like you are campagning to stop music at crags! Guess what? some people like music at the crags. If someone was ruining MY wilderness expeience while 2 mins from a parking lot with evanescence or something I would say "hey do you think you could turn that down, I am trying to trick myself into thinking I am a hard man doing runnout FAs while bolting from a stance". I dont really support annoying shit at crags, but they dont belong to me and I don't think the world should adhere to what I like and don't like. So be a man, show a little respect to your fellow man and ask them to turn it down. OK I'm done ranting about idiots on the net, you can go back to talking about "ethics" now.
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NSFW
Oct 3, 2007, 11:57 PM
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angry_nature_lover wrote: parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution! it will ruin access...it will.....
I absolutely agree, and I don't think the parks should let in those selfish climbers: putting in their bolts, leaving tat on trees and around rocks, pieces of tape and debris on the ground, chalk on the rocks. Not to mention the occasional death or injury. I don't come to the outdoors to see that, I come to see nature. Respect my desires.
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bodyboarder
Oct 3, 2007, 11:58 PM
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Oh snap I just got trolled!
T3
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angry_nature_lover
Oct 4, 2007, 12:01 AM
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NSFW wrote: angry_nature_lover wrote: parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution! it will ruin access...it will..... I absolutely agree, and I don't think the parks should let in those selfish climbers: putting in their bolts, leaving tat on trees and around rocks, pieces of tape and debris on the ground, chalk on the rocks. Not to mention the occasional death or injury. I don't come to the outdoors to see that, I come to see nature. Respect my desires.
there already are bans on bolting (barker dam corridor) and wilderness, which i support. I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless.
climbers don't own the parks and are a minority in them, we will ruin access in places like (the real) hidden valley if we do not be cool....
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NSFW
Oct 4, 2007, 12:03 AM
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angry_nature_lover wrote: NSFW wrote: angry_nature_lover wrote: parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution! it will ruin access...it will..... I absolutely agree, and I don't think the parks should let in those selfish climbers: putting in their bolts, leaving tat on trees and around rocks, pieces of tape and debris on the ground, chalk on the rocks. Not to mention the occasional death or injury. I don't come to the outdoors to see that, I come to see nature. Respect my desires. there already are bans on bolting (barker dam corridor) and wilderness, which i support. I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless. climbers don't own the parks and are a minority in them, we will ruin access in places like (the real) hidden valley if we do not be cool....
I think all the climbers strung up on the rocks are an eye sore. It's nature, not a jungle gym.
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Oct 4, 2007, 12:05 AM
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NSFW wrote: angry_nature_lover wrote: NSFW wrote: angry_nature_lover wrote: parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution! it will ruin access...it will..... I absolutely agree, and I don't think the parks should let in those selfish climbers: putting in their bolts, leaving tat on trees and around rocks, pieces of tape and debris on the ground, chalk on the rocks. Not to mention the occasional death or injury. I don't come to the outdoors to see that, I come to see nature. Respect my desires. there already are bans on bolting (barker dam corridor) and wilderness, which i support. I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless. climbers don't own the parks and are a minority in them, we will ruin access in places like (the real) hidden valley if we do not be cool.... I think all the climbers strung up on the rocks are an eye sore. It's nature, not a jungle gym.
The fixed climbers are the worst.
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zeke_sf
Oct 4, 2007, 12:26 AM
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caughtinside wrote: NSFW wrote: angry_nature_lover wrote: NSFW wrote: angry_nature_lover wrote: parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution! it will ruin access...it will..... I absolutely agree, and I don't think the parks should let in those selfish climbers: putting in their bolts, leaving tat on trees and around rocks, pieces of tape and debris on the ground, chalk on the rocks. Not to mention the occasional death or injury. I don't come to the outdoors to see that, I come to see nature. Respect my desires. there already are bans on bolting (barker dam corridor) and wilderness, which i support. I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless. climbers don't own the parks and are a minority in them, we will ruin access in places like (the real) hidden valley if we do not be cool.... I think all the climbers strung up on the rocks are an eye sore. It's nature, not a jungle gym. The fixed climbers are the worst.
 I think I was behind a couple of those last weekend!
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caughtinside wrote: NSFW wrote: artm wrote: NSFW wrote: zeke_sf wrote: baja_java wrote: zeke_sf wrote: So, what, you bicycle to the crag? At least air pollution is a more real issue than the hypothetical jam box crag takeover gripe. actually, yes, i do bike to the one spot that's close enough to climb. crappy seaside rock. but that's the one spot i can get to on a bike air pollution is a bigger issue than a lot of things. but the appropriate comparison is "driving to climb and leaving a mess" versus "driving to climb and not leaving a mess," that or between "driving to climb and doing noise pollution too" versus "driving to climb without doing the noise pollution." but guess that's for people who can think straight I also bike to a local crag. But I will gladly pollute my way to the better climbing. Does constant beta count as noise pollution, because I think I'll take the Steely Dan. I hate Steely Dan... but would take them over the Kibitzers any day. Those people need to be shot. However, I have yet to hear anyone shout more beta than the guides in Thailand. Right hand up! Now left foot! Now right foot! NO No other foot! Good ole 123 wall [image]http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2057/roflbotmxevdn2.jpg[/image] Yeah, the beta at 1-2-3 is way more annoying that steely dan! Hey, is that Freedom Rock??
Well turn it UP, MAAAANNNN!!!
ps- Thai guide:
"Left foot, left foot, LEFT FOOT. Right hand, right hand, RIGHT HAND!" awesome.
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basilisk
Oct 4, 2007, 3:53 AM
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Dear Anal,
Congratulations. Your insistence on being a dick has just inspired me to bust out the boombox. I don't even like music at the crag, but your being a pushy asshole with no sense of reality is driving me to that end.
Maybe I'll even bust out Cake's Nugget for a little extra irony on both our behalfs. "Aw, shut the FUCK up! Right now! ya! ya! ya! Learn to buck up!"
Sincerely,
Basilisk
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angry_nature_lover
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hey, b asslik, good on ya. i've gone to the dark side!
the way that you soft and spoiled gen-y kiddies opine, i've decided to join you. I got a boombox just now at wall mart, gonna crank teh jams this weekend! Access be damned!
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basilisk
Oct 4, 2007, 4:25 AM
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Nice, I like that better than the usual Ballsack
Anyway, you should really consider one of these instead:
Remember, weight is still an issue!
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angry_nature_lover
Oct 4, 2007, 4:34 AM
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basilisk wrote: Nice, I like that better than the usual Ballsack Anyway, you should really consider one of these instead: [image]http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/digitalgiftstore_1970_155830887[/image] Remember, weight is still an issue!
no, only a pussy without ballz would use that.
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EPiCJAMES wrote: oldsalt wrote: I drive 8 to 12 hours to get to a crag. I can listen to the Eagles or even Lawrence f'ckn Welk at work or in the car anytime. The reason I drive the 8 to 12 hours is to climb and be in Nature. I want to hear the birds, the wind in the trees, and my partner saying, "Watch me!" Leave the jams at home, PLEASE. (Unless you are bouldering. You wear the beanie, you play the tunes.) that's nice. i drive to the crag to climb, hang with friends, and have a good time. part of that is listening to music. we all have different reasons for climbing, just because you do it for nature reasons, doesn't mean i have to. if my music is too loud, i'll turn it down. but i'm not going to turn it off...
Then you're a fucking asshole.
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EPiCJAMES
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angry_nature_lover wrote: I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless.
boulder pads useless?? get off your rope pussy and try to boulder.
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Oct 4, 2007, 5:40 AM
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music / no music ...
seems like kind of a sad commentary on the "community" that the onus of offensiveness falls on the offended to speak up because we're too self absorbed to simply be considerate of each other either here on this board or "out there" where it counts.
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EPiCJAMES
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jt512 wrote: EPiCJAMES wrote: oldsalt wrote: I drive 8 to 12 hours to get to a crag. I can listen to the Eagles or even Lawrence f'ckn Welk at work or in the car anytime. The reason I drive the 8 to 12 hours is to climb and be in Nature. I want to hear the birds, the wind in the trees, and my partner saying, "Watch me!" Leave the jams at home, PLEASE. (Unless you are bouldering. You wear the beanie, you play the tunes.) that's nice. i drive to the crag to climb, hang with friends, and have a good time. part of that is listening to music. we all have different reasons for climbing, just because you do it for nature reasons, doesn't mean i have to. if my music is too loud, i'll turn it down. but i'm not going to turn it off... Then you're a fucking asshole. Jay
so turning it down is being an asshole huh? well than shit, i'll just turn it up louder if i'm an ass either way. thanks for letting me see it another way.
if anyone has a problem with my music, then climb fucking higher. quit bitching, and just fucking climb.
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EPiCJAMES wrote: jt512 wrote: EPiCJAMES wrote: oldsalt wrote: I drive 8 to 12 hours to get to a crag. I can listen to the Eagles or even Lawrence f'ckn Welk at work or in the car anytime. The reason I drive the 8 to 12 hours is to climb and be in Nature. I want to hear the birds, the wind in the trees, and my partner saying, "Watch me!" Leave the jams at home, PLEASE. (Unless you are bouldering. You wear the beanie, you play the tunes.) that's nice. i drive to the crag to climb, hang with friends, and have a good time. part of that is listening to music. we all have different reasons for climbing, just because you do it for nature reasons, doesn't mean i have to. if my music is too loud, i'll turn it down. but i'm not going to turn it off... Then you're a fucking asshole. Jay so turning it down is being an asshole huh? well than shit, i'll just turn it up louder if i'm an ass either way. thanks for letting me see it another way. if anyone has a problem with my music, then climb fucking higher. quit bitching, and just fucking climb.
*plonk*
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