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TarHeelEMT


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patto wrote:
It quickly becomes evident that you don't know much about climbing.

What is it about the climbers on RC.com that requires them to cut other people down in order to feel good about themselves?

Are their egos really that fragile?


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rescueman wrote:
patto wrote:
It quickly becomes evident that you don't know much about climbing.

What is it about the climbers on RC.com that requires them to cut other people down in order to feel good about themselves?

Are their egos really that fragile?

You're falsely assuming that people are calling you an egotistical nutcase who knows very little about climbing to "make themselves feel better." They are doing it because you consistently demonstrate yourself to be an egotistical nutcase who knows very little about climbing.


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TarHeelEMT wrote:
You're falsely assuming that people are calling you a egotistical nutcase who knows very little about climbing to "make themselves feel better." They are doing it because you consistently demonstrate yourself to be an egotistical nutcase who knows very little about climbing.

Once again, I don't make assumptions, but merely respond to what is presented.

If your assumptions were correct, you would have a point, but they are as far from the truth as it's possible to be.

I'll admit to having climbed only for 20 years, since I started when I was 38. But I had the good fortune to begin the art of "dancing on rock" after I was done with the excessive hormonal idiocy of adolescence and youth.

Climbing was never a "sport" for me, but an encounter with the heart of the earth and a metaphysical meditation - something those who climb for sport or ego will never understand or appreciate. Having climbed traditional routes for 20 years without a single leader fall indicates that I had become a true master of the art.

My introduction to climbing came through the Outdoor Leadership Program of Greenfield MA Community College (one of the two, along with NOLS, most respected training curricula), and I worked as an Outward Bound instructor and wilderness guide, introducing hundreds of students to the art of climbing. I also worked as a private climbing guide.

Simultaneously, I broadened my knowledge, skill and expertise into industrial rigging and rescue, mountain rescue, caving and cave rescue, fast water paddling and rescue, ice rescue, and arborist climbing and rescue. I've taught rigging and rope rescue professionally for 12 years and introduced many to the art of climbing.

So, clearly, I have not only a deep knowledge and experience in rock climbing, but a far broader expertise in multiple rope rigging and rescue fields.

So what is it really that you find so challenging to your self-worth and limited experience that requires you (and others here) to get your panties so in a knot that you cannot tolerate my presence here?

I'm here simply to share my knowledge with others who wish to learn. I have no ego in this, since most of my life's work has been in service to the world. And I am certainly more sane than most modern Americans who are self-serving destroyers of everything wholesome and sacred on earth.

Perhaps my attitude toward life represents too much of a challenge for you to tolerate. There's a frightening orthodoxy here, as in most facets of modern life. If it's challenged the dogmatists attack the messenger rather than accept the truth of a different perspective.

It's been the same in all times and everywhere. And it's terribly sad that humanity has stooped so low.


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rescueman wrote:
patto wrote:
It quickly becomes evident that you don't know much about climbing.

What is it about the climbers on RC.com that requires them to cut other people down in order to feel good about themselves?

Are their egos really that fragile?

Yes some people sadly are like that. However you have falsely accuse me and others of this.

I explicitly said that I won't cut you down based on your climbing style. The lengths and grades of climbs are irrelevant to gaining respect. You started throwing mud by accusing those who climb quickly of planning poorly. This is simply wrong.

If you continue to post things that are blatantly wrong or poor advice you will continue to get called out on it. You can either choose to learn from what others have to post, or you can let you ego get in the way of further knowledge.


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rescueman wrote:
TarHeelEMT wrote:
You're falsely assuming that people are calling you a egotistical nutcase who knows very little about climbing to "make themselves feel better." They are doing it because you consistently demonstrate yourself to be an egotistical nutcase who knows very little about climbing.

Once again, I don't make assumptions, but merely respond to what is presented.

If your assumptions were correct, you would have a point, but they are as far from the truth as it's possible to be.

I'll admit to having climbed only for 20 years, since I started when I was 38. But I had the good fortune to begin the art of "dancing on rock" after I was done with the excessive hormonal idiocy of adolescence and youth.

Climbing was never a "sport" for me, but an encounter with the heart of the earth and a metaphysical meditation - something those who climb for sport or ego will never understand or appreciate. Having climbed traditional routes for 20 years without a single leader fall indicates that I had become a true master of the art.

My introduction to climbing came through the Outdoor Leadership Program of Greenfield MA Community College (one of the two, along with NOLS, most respected training curricula), and I worked as an Outward Bound instructor and wilderness guide, introducing hundreds of students to the art of climbing. I also worked as a private climbing guide.

Simultaneously, I broadened my knowledge, skill and expertise into industrial rigging and rescue, mountain rescue, caving and cave rescue, fast water paddling and rescue, ice rescue, and arborist climbing and rescue. I've taught rigging and rope rescue professionally for 12 years and introduced many to the art of climbing.

So, clearly, I have not only a deep knowledge and experience in rock climbing, but a far broader expertise in multiple rope rigging and rescue fields.

So what is it really that you find so challenging to your self-worth and limited experience that requires you (and others here) to get your panties so in a knot that you cannot tolerate my presence here?

I'm here simply to share my knowledge with others who wish to learn. I have no ego in this, since most of my life's work has been in service to the world. And I am certainly more sane than most modern Americans who are self-serving destroyers of everything wholesome and sacred on earth.

Perhaps my attitude toward life represents too much of a challenge for you to tolerate. There's a frightening orthodoxy here, as in most facets of modern life. If it's challenged the dogmatists attack the messenger rather than accept the truth of a different perspective.

It's been the same in all times and everywhere. And it's terribly sad that humanity has stooped so low.

And yet you remain, a climbing DUMBASS. No ego in this, right! That's why every other post is about your experience or qualifications, even though you've never climbed anything worth talking about.

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Having climbed traditional routes for 20 years without a single leader fall indicates that I had become a true master of the art.

No. It indicates you've never led anything over 5.9. And youre prolly a chickenshit, And if I were a betting man I'd take the under on 5.8.



*Edited for trying to spell on an iPhone.


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rescueman wrote:
patto wrote:
If you plan for the eventuality then its (sic) not poor planning is is?

That depends on what the definition of "is" is.

But a blow job under the oval office desk is poor planning, no matter how much you think you've considered the eventualities.Wink

patto wrote:
Rescueman do you have any real world experience?
I have far more "real world" experience in my nearly 60 years on the planet than most of you, but I live by choice in a different world: one in which getting to the end as quickly as possible is not the goal, in which case suicide is the most effective means of getting there.

Slow down and savor life. Live poor so that you can live free. Make plenty of time to help your neighbors. Leave the world a better place than you found it.

He was talking about real world experience climbing, not experience living in a school bus.


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rescueman wrote:
patto wrote:
It quickly becomes evident that you don't know much about climbing.

What is it about the climbers on RC.com that requires them to cut other people down in order to feel good about themselves?

Are their egos really that fragile?
No, we just hate it when people with limited experience front like they are experts, and start dishing out information and advice about things they they lack experience in.

Great, you have a little bit of rope rescue experience or something, but you've never done a route over 6 pitches? Please refrain from ever giving any advice about doing long mountain routes until you know what you are talking about.

Thank you kindly. Some of the things you have posted in other threads and the following discussions are useful or interesting, but please don't front like you know about mountain routes when you haven't done any!


Edit: To remove unnecessary aggression and insults.


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sungam wrote:
Edit: To remove unnecessary aggression and insults.

Dammit I missed your post before the edit, and I bet it was fun to read Smile

Anyway, I am glad that with my limited climbing experience of 2 years, couple of leader falls, and lots of fun, I still refrain from typing so much bullshit as I have seen typed by the rescue man Cool. No promised for what will happen in 18 years from now though!


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MarcelS wrote:
sungam wrote:
Edit: To remove unnecessary aggression and insults.

Dammit I missed your post before the edit, and I bet it was fun to read Smile
Not my best work, but still a very satisfying onslaught.


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patto wrote:
Yes some people sadly are like that. However you have falsely accuse me and others of this.
I've accused no one. I made some well-founded observations and you took it personally, which means I was correct in my assessment that you suffer from a fragile ego and can't tolerate a perspective that challenges your sense of self-worth.

In reply to:
You started throwing mud by accusing those who climb quickly of planning poorly. This is simply wrong.
Once again, I simply stated that this was poor planning "in my book". Your mileage may differ. Opinions aren't right or wrong - though they may differ from or even contrast with your own.

The truth is that this site is for the casual sharing of advice between climbers of varying experience, with little opportunity to determine the value of any of that advice because almost no one here uses their real names, describes their real world experience, or offers some basis for the claim of credibility.

And you, patto, are one of the worst culprits - just another anonymous troll:

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sungam wrote:
No, we just hate it when people with limited experience front like they are experts, and start dishing out information and advice about things they they lack experience in.

Please refrain from ever giving any advice about doing long mountain routes until you know what you are talking about.

The fact is, I have shared the history of my extensive experience and broad expertise, while almost none of you are willing to reveal anything about the experience or expertise you claim, let alone your real name.

Since this is your "profile":

Name: Rose McHaggis
Interests: A bok bok bok, a bok bok bok, a bok bok boka boka bok bok bok... BAGAWK! 3 things I give a crap about: climbing, my lovely lady, and physics.
Email: Ashit@thingsIdontgive.com

...I'd suggest limiting your advice to BAGAWK, some limited personal climbing, your lady and physics.

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Edit: To remove unnecessary aggression and insults.
And to leave the "necessary" aggression and insults (which are uncontrolled outflows of the immature ego, like verbal diarrhea).


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hugepedro wrote:
every other post is about your experience or qualifications

I'm still waiting for you to share your personal history and the source of your alleged expertise (aside from a claimed PhD in "science").

I put forward exactly who I am. You hide behind anonymity so you can be an asshole to your heart's content with no repercussions.

So who is "chickenshit"?


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Enigma: Part Deux


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Kartessa wrote:
Enigma: Part Deux
No way, Enigma is way more sane.


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Cigolon wrote:
What's the longest route you'll lead on a single 60m rope?


This discussion sounds just about right for me to weigh in on. I think the obvious answer is: most people can climb any damm route they want with a 60 but can only climb a 60 meter pitch at a time. What a great topic. How long of a route can you climb with a 60? It's kinda like "how many meters can you measure with a meter stick? Or, how many marshmellows can you put in your butt? Perfectly insane questions. ! It looks like the rescue man knows the answer, which is why you don't want to be rescued, they might just kill you in the process.

Good work, I think quite a few people fell for it, from one troll to another, nice one!!


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carabiner96 wrote:
Kartessa wrote:
Enigma: Part Deux
No way, Enigma is way more sane.

What if they made babies together?


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rescueman wrote:
hugepedro wrote:
every other post is about your experience or qualifications

I'm still waiting for you to share your personal history and the source of your alleged expertise (aside from a claimed PhD in "science").

I put forward exactly who I am. You hide behind anonymity so you can be an asshole to your heart's content with no repercussions.

So who is "chickenshit"?

Correction, you put forward what you want people to think you are, but clearly, from all the incorrect info you post here, you are not all that you pretend to be. Yeah, I'm an asshole to people like you because you deserve it.

As if I owe you any personal information. And I don't have a PhD, you're confusing me with someone else.


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...and I'm the one who is chickenshit.


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Chicken shit is dirty, you really shouldn't be touching it... full of disease.


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hugepedro wrote:
you're confusing me with someone else.

Well I certainly wasn't confusing you for a mature human being.

The thing about assholes is that they really don't need an excuse.


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rescueman wrote:
Well I certainly wasn't confusing you for a mature human being.

The thing about assholes is that they really don't need an excuse.

My dick is bigger than yours.


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We ready to move this thread too?

The question was dumb, the answer was dumber, and the ongoing discussion is dumberer


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Since this bullshit will inevitably end up in scummunity


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Might as well increase my post count

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