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guangzhou
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barleywino wrote: here's a topic that i've always wondered about, which maybe you can shed some light on: what is it about forums like rockclimbing.com that they bring out the worst in people? more than half of the people who post on this forum come across as cocky arrogant smartass juvenile a-holes. This seems like a very relevant topic for a communications class such as the one you're taking. Is it because they're male? or because they climb? because they're young? (or old?) or because they can hide behind the internet? does the forum naturally attract such people? maybe if you read enough posts you can draw some conclusions or at least speculation. seriously... (now i'm sure some person will demonstrate this behaviour when they respond to this post)
Agreed, more or less what I posted above. I think Rockclimbing.com is the worse about his, other forums, people are much more tolerant of questions.
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Rocquestar
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I'll vouch for matterunomama's work, but the font results in only one word per page.
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marc801
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barleywino wrote: here's a topic that i've always wondered about, which maybe you can shed some light on: what is it about forums like rockclimbing.com that they bring out the worst in people? more than half of the people who post on this forum come across as cocky arrogant smartass juvenile a-holes. This seems like a very relevant topic for a communications class such as the one you're taking. Is it because they're male? or because they climb? because they're young? (or old?) or because they can hide behind the internet? does the forum naturally attract such people? maybe if you read enough posts you can draw some conclusions or at least speculation. seriously... (now i'm sure some person will demonstrate this behaviour when they respond to this post)
http://jcmc.indiana.edu/...0/issue4/preece.html
Then you can read all of the cited references in that paper for a better understanding.
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rrrADAM
Oct 20, 2011, 11:06 AM
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sbaclimber wrote: jt512 wrote: cmagee1 wrote: jt512 wrote: cmagee1 wrote: GEED stands for general education. Like BUS stands for bullshit. Jay Kinda except for the fact that GEED actually does stand for general education which a part of every undergraduate degree. As opposed to, say, GE. Jay I'm with Jay here, where do the extra "E" and "D" come from? Where I come from (NY state), GED stands for General Equivalency Diploma, but I have yet to hear of a GEED.... Edit: never mind, explained above as being "university" specific....
It's no different that Ca vs Calif, BTW. Who cares?
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sbaclimber
Oct 20, 2011, 11:16 AM
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rrrADAM wrote: sbaclimber wrote: jt512 wrote: cmagee1 wrote: jt512 wrote: cmagee1 wrote: GEED stands for general education. Like BUS stands for bullshit. Jay Kinda except for the fact that GEED actually does stand for general education which a part of every undergraduate degree. As opposed to, say, GE. Jay I'm with Jay here, where do the extra "E" and "D" come from? Where I come from (NY state), GED stands for General Equivalency Diploma, but I have yet to hear of a GEED.... Edit: never mind, explained above as being "university" specific.... It's no different that Ca vs Calif, BTW. Who cares?
I would image you are right, no one else does either.
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JimTitt
Oct 20, 2011, 11:19 AM
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marc801 wrote: barleywino wrote: here's a topic that i've always wondered about, which maybe you can shed some light on: what is it about forums like rockclimbing.com that they bring out the worst in people? How do you know this is the worst? Maybe at home they are vicious, vindictive, puppy killing, wife-beating drunks with a bad attitude generally.
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matterunomama
Oct 20, 2011, 12:13 PM
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marc801 wrote: barleywino wrote: here's a topic that i've always wondered about, which maybe you can shed some light on: what is it about forums like rockclimbing.com that they bring out the worst in people? more than half of the people who post on this forum come across as cocky arrogant smartass juvenile a-holes. This seems like a very relevant topic for a communications class such as the one you're taking. Is it because they're male? or because they climb? because they're young? (or old?) or because they can hide behind the internet? does the forum naturally attract such people? maybe if you read enough posts you can draw some conclusions or at least speculation. seriously... (now i'm sure some person will demonstrate this behaviour when they respond to this post) For starters there's this: http://jcmc.indiana.edu/...0/issue4/preece.html Then you can read all of the cited references in that paper for a better understanding.
Kid, you got a goldmine of references. 1972 Index card-->2011 crowd-source. Now I hope your fine education allows you to use it all.
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Oct 20, 2011, 1:00 PM
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cmagee1 wrote: Let me clarify. Im focusing on the "language" of rock cimbing. More specifically, the depth of climbing terminology and how it relates to the community. The reason I left it so open is that most climbing related writing can be used in reference to this topic. I dont have a thesis yet, its more of a research question at this point. Thank you guys for everything you've posted so far!
As others have already pointed out, this is still impractically broad. What do you mean by "focusing on the 'language' of rock climbing?" Why is "language" in quotation marks? What do you mean by the "depth of climbing terminology?"
My suggestion for increasing the share of useful responses to your post would be to do one of the following. First, try to be more specific about what your question is. This is what JT meant by "What is your thesis?" What is the basic argument that you intend to advance in this paper? If we know that, then we can be a lot more helpful about brainstorming ideas and sources that might help support or refute that argument.
Second, if you are not yet to the stage of having your thesis defined, then set your question up differently. Lay out the basic goals and constraints of your paper, and invite people to offer suggestions on specific issues that you might address. Some folks have already done this on this thread, but such suggestions will be more helpful if you can help to focus on ideas that might actually be useful to you.
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marc801
Oct 20, 2011, 2:29 PM
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JimTitt wrote: marc801 wrote: barleywino wrote: here's a topic that i've always wondered about, which maybe you can shed some light on: what is it about forums like rockclimbing.com that they bring out the worst in people? How do you know this is the worst? Maybe at home they are vicious, vindictive, puppy killing, wife-beating drunks with a bad attitude generally. Hey Jim! Fix the cheesetitting in your post! I didn't write what you say I did!
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marc801
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sungam wrote: barleywino wrote: more than half of the people who post on this forum come across as cocky arrogant smartass juvenile a-holes. I'm not so sure you should be blaming the forum there, buddy. 
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http://www.theonion.com/...ay-all-moroni,26393/
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barleywino
Oct 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
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you mean "capitalize"?
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LostinMaine
Oct 20, 2011, 11:36 PM
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barleywino wrote: here's a topic that i've always wondered about, which maybe you can shed some light on: what is it about forums like rockclimbing.com that they bring out the worst in people? more than half of the people who post on this forum come across as cocky arrogant smartass juvenile a-holes. This seems like a very relevant topic for a communications class such as the one you're taking. Is it because they're male? or because they climb? because they're young? (or old?) or because they can hide behind the internet? does the forum naturally attract such people? maybe if you read enough posts you can draw some conclusions or at least speculation. seriously... (now i'm sure some person will demonstrate this behaviour when they respond to this post)
I always find this type of post kind of ironic coming from someone with zero personal information in their profile.
I'll take a stab at it, though. Generalizing beyond this particular thread to perhaps the most flammable forum, the beginners forum, if you're not assertive, people actually think they know what they are doing. This can be dangerous for everyone involved. Time and again, relatively new people to the sport enter conversations with wisdom that is... well, unwise. Yet, they will continue to argue their point. This is frustrating and scary.
Often times, this brings out the worst in people who are trying to protect others involved. Kind of like the sad reasoning that people hit dogs to stop them from going into the street...
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barleywino
Oct 20, 2011, 11:54 PM
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Interesting observation, thanks. Just to clarify, I have no problem with posts that argue facts or express opinions based on experience, that's what the forum is for. it's the posts that attack or insult or belittle other posters, instead of attacking the content of the post, that I find annoying. Sometimes you have to wade through pages of this spray to find the real content. I've been climbing for over 20 yrs but have generally avoided climbing forums because of this. Who needs all that negativity?
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Oct 21, 2011, 1:34 AM
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cmagee1 wrote: Hey guys Im a college kid and am writing a paper on rock climbing for a comm class. Only problem is, I need to find some good academic sources to get info from. Any input? Thanks!
Colleges have libraries. Go use it. Ask the librarian for help. They are usually good at what they do. If the one at your school isn't good. Go to another school's library during the day. Ask their librarians. Preferably one that has an interlibrary loan program with your own school.
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Oct 21, 2011, 7:52 AM
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barleywino wrote: you mean "capitalize"?
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sungam
Oct 21, 2011, 12:52 PM
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barleywino wrote: you mean "capitalize"?
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barleywino
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sungam wrote: barleywino wrote: you mean "capitalize"? Nope, I meant "capitalise". Now that we have clarified the correct spelling, perhaps you could learn the meaning? ^.^
Exactly what I'm talking about in my original post. Thanks for illustrating-- I knew somebody would step up to the plate.
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barleywino wrote: sungam wrote: barleywino wrote: you mean "capitalize"? Nope, I meant "capitalise". Now that we have clarified the correct spelling, perhaps you could learn the meaning? ^.^ Exactly what I'm talking about in my original post. Thanks for illustrating-- I knew somebody would step up to the plate.
If you're offended by that, then you're the one with the problem.
Jay
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sungam wrote: barleywino wrote: you mean "capitalize"? Nope, I meant "capitalise". Now that we have clarified the correct spelling, perhaps you could learn the meaning? ^.^
We changed the language for a reason.
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barleywino
Oct 21, 2011, 8:53 PM
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so far, in this thread alone, I count about 20% of the replies are more focussed on ridiculing other posters than addressing the original question. just another example of what I'm referring to. the original poster will have plenty of material to work with.
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barleywino wrote: so far, in this thread alone, I count about 20% of the replies are more focussed on ridiculing other posters than addressing the original question. just another example of what I'm referring to. the original poster will have plenty of material to work with.
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barleywino wrote: so far, in this thread alone, I count about 20% of the replies are more focussed on ridiculing other posters than addressing the original question.
But the original question was unaddressable, and when asked to clarify the question, the OP's response was nonsensical. So, no question was ever asked that could be given a valid answer, and 80% of respondents (according to your calculation) tolerated the stupidity of the question that was asked. What did the OP learn from this? that he doesn't have to think through what he writes; that it's perfectly fine to ask incoherent questions. Who did the OP the favor: the 20% that gave him a hard time for asking nonsensical questions, or the 80% who tolerated the nonsense? Had the 80% refused to "help" until the OP could word a coherent question, maybe the OP could have actually learned something.
Jay
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Oct 22, 2011, 12:35 AM
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cmagee1 wrote: Hey guys Im a college kid and am writing a paper on rock climbing for a comm class. Only problem is, I need to find some good academic sources to get info from. Any input? Thanks!
I don't know, a 100 level college class. The guy says I want to write a paper about climbing, any academic sources. Seems like simple question. He just wanted to know where to find material he could read about climbing.
Maybe he doesn't have a thesis yet.
Maybe any material will work for his thesis.
He asked for "good academic sources" maybe he was open to any source people were willing to give him.
Maybe, like some climbers, he wanted general information so he could figure out the route finding, figure out the crux, or change routes instead of just following a specific line of bolts and chalked handholds.
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barleywino wrote: sungam wrote: barleywino wrote: you mean "capitalize"? Nope, I meant "capitalise". Now that we have clarified the correct spelling, perhaps you could learn the meaning? ^.^ Exactly what I'm talking about in my original post. Thanks for illustrating-- I knew somebody would step up to the plate.
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