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happiegrrrl
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"Community" vs. "Campground" - Only people who have come to rc.com in the last year would be confused about that... ....which brings us directly to the mention of L/R being next to C/G. When that change occurred, and the crap started getting flung in the L/R, we were vocal about requesting that change. It was rejected. The compromise was to relocate the entire Community Section from the top of the page to the lower portion. Dingus' suggestion of filtering out all guys - I'm pretty sure that guy's participation is not the problem, nor do most of the women want to make the forum gender-based for participation. Many guys have great input, and it is welcomed. But it appears some guys can't help but make lewd, inappropriate comments, and then either play dumb when called on it or genuinely don't get it. Those posters, and how to deal with them, are the "issue." I think that the best way to handle it is actually to have active moderation in the forum. It shouldn't have to be a "we'll deal with it if you complain" sort of thing. That ends up allowing plenty of time to pass, and more monkeys to join the pile. Either the admins moderate, or they don't.... The onus is, and should be, on the management of this site to make that distinction and implement it. As it stands, I think the mgmnt would be hard-pressed to say they aren't aware of this recurring issue. While I can certainly understand they may have more pressing things to deal with, the fact remains that a message IS being sent, intentionally or unintentionally, by their slowness/resistance to react. Which leads us directly to the reason why these guys who continue to act like asses keep coming back. They're aware that the can "get away with it."
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I don't think filtering out the guys from the LR is the solution. There's time when they may have experience and input that could be helpful. And, there is definitely some level of teasing that we can all handle as women. Being able to take and dish out that kind of teasing crap is one reason why we like to hang around with guys, and why guys like us; being self-confident & sharp-witted probably has a great deal to do with why we can and want to climb, and why we're even brave enough to post here. I think some teasing is normal. Its like having a bunch of brothers around, you love 'em, and in general they look out for you. But then, there are times when we're trying to get something done here and the ever-belligerent misogynist male rears its brainless head... and things get pretty sideways. Its when somebody barges in, makes no constructively useful comment, won't back down, and doesn't have any clue when to STFU- even when explicity asked to. there are plenty of places I can go to watch men argue, vent aggression or be explicity sexual- from (pick a community forum) to a hockey game. I can choose if & when I want to deal with that. Personally, I expect the ladies room to be free of it. Period and end of story. You'd think common courtesy would get the job done, but... apparently not. So dudes, just like in real life,: when she's telling you to back off- BACK OFF!!! Maybe a "3-strikes/complaints and your banned from the LR for awhile. "
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macherry
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bent_gate wrote: (Not necessarily responding to climbs4fun, but rather all mods, your post was the last) I've suggested this before and have been basically ignored. I would appreciate a response whether it be positive or negative: 1) In the Ladies Room, (or perhaps create a separate section), Why not allow the OPs to moderate their own threads? Give them the ability to delete posts that they don't like and/or even ban users from posting to their thread? Mods don't get blamed for censorship that way, and people who don't like whatever have control over their thread. 2) I have frequently seen Mods tell posters to keep off-topic, or ridiculous posts limited to "Community". Well "Ladies Room" IS in "Community", and it's pretty misleading. I've seen users in "Ladies Room" told to take it to "Community". Again "Ladies Room" is IN "Community". Would you please tell people to take it to "CAMPGROUND". It makes it much more clear and I actually believe may solve part of the problem. 3) Failing the above two, how about just moving "Ladies Room" out of "Community" and give it it's own separate section. Why do you want the Ladies Room right next to the most raucous Campground around. And then wonder why raucous men come wandering in? Why do you want to have the most Highly Moderated right next to the Least Moderated? Community implies everyone. Move it to its own special section. I honestly believe if you had Arno's section right next to campground, you would also get a lot of dumbass responders wandering in and saying, "Just. suck it up and climb dudes!" So separate section Anyway, I respect the choices the mods have made on this site. Even the ones I don't agree with. So I would appreciate a response on this. in regards to your first point, only the user has control over their post We don't delete posts, they are moved to recycle bin or to the mods and editors forum for discussion. Secondly, i have supported moving the ladies forum out of community. This is a management decision and they have decided to keep the ladies forum in community. I sometimes tell users to keep their idiotic remarks to community, sorry for not being more specific, it's an old school mistake because there was never soapbox or campground, just community. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, it has been a bit trying to moderate the ladies room. I guess users don't get it. If you don't have anything relevent to the discussion or just want to be a smartass stay out. I have been recycling the dumbass posts. Happie, this is not a full time job for any mod. Sometimes i just stop in at rc and check pms or maybe a specific forum. I try to give a cursory view over things in campground. There is no reason that a user can't drop a pm to any mod about any problem post or thread. We're doing our best to catch the crap. there is a varying opinion, even in the ladies room, pertaining to how much moderation users want. Some want more, some less (i'm talking women users here). I don't want to be a net nanny, but do want to maintain mature discussion in the ladies room. The users are getting very good at self moderation in the ladies room, pointing out smartass users and keeping the discussion back on track.
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macherry wrote: bent_gate wrote: (Not necessarily responding to climbs4fun, but rather all mods, your post was the last) I've suggested this before and have been basically ignored. I would appreciate a response whether it be positive or negative: 1) In the Ladies Room, (or perhaps create a separate section), Why not allow the OPs to moderate their own threads? Give them the ability to delete posts that they don't like and/or even ban users from posting to their thread? Mods don't get blamed for censorship that way, and people who don't like whatever have control over their thread. 2) I have frequently seen Mods tell posters to keep off-topic, or ridiculous posts limited to "Community". Well "Ladies Room" IS in "Community", and it's pretty misleading. I've seen users in "Ladies Room" told to take it to "Community". Again "Ladies Room" is IN "Community". Would you please tell people to take it to "CAMPGROUND". It makes it much more clear and I actually believe may solve part of the problem. 3) Failing the above two, how about just moving "Ladies Room" out of "Community" and give it it's own separate section. Why do you want the Ladies Room right next to the most raucous Campground around. And then wonder why raucous men come wandering in? Why do you want to have the most Highly Moderated right next to the Least Moderated? Community implies everyone. Move it to its own special section. I honestly believe if you had Arno's section right next to campground, you would also get a lot of dumbass responders wandering in and saying, "Just. suck it up and climb dudes!" So separate section Anyway, I respect the choices the mods have made on this site. Even the ones I don't agree with. So I would appreciate a response on this. in regards to your first point, only the user has control over their post We don't delete posts, they are moved to recycle bin or to the mods and editors forum for discussion. Secondly, i have supported moving the ladies forum out of community. This is a management decision and they have decided to keep the ladies forum in community. I sometimes tell users to keep their idiotic remarks to community, sorry for not being more specific, it's an old school mistake because there was never soapbox or campground, just community. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, it has been a bit trying to moderate the ladies room. I guess users don't get it. If you don't have anything relevent to the discussion or just want to be a smartass stay out. I have been recycling the dumbass posts. Happie, this is not a full time job for any mod. Sometimes i just stop in at rc and check pms or maybe a specific forum. I try to give a cursory view over things in campground. There is no reason that a user can't drop a pm to any mod about any problem post or thread. We're doing our best to catch the crap. there is a varying opinion, even in the ladies room, pertaining to how much moderation users want. Some want more, some less (i'm talking women users here). I don't want to be a net nanny, but do want to maintain mature discussion in the ladies room. The users are getting very good at self moderation in the ladies room, pointing out smartass users and keeping the discussion back on track. Thank you for responding. Just to follow up on number 1: My suggestion in number 1 was to create a section where the user (only the Orginal Poster or creator of the thread) can moderate posts in their own thread. So they could delete, responses they didn't like from their own thread. So it's giving Mod powers (plus specific post deleting powers and specific user banning powers) to the users to use only within their own created threads in this new proposed section only. Is that something you (or any mod) would be interested in proposing to the owners, or not?
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macherry
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hey bent, i posted up in the mods forum, asking for other mods and owners to get involved in this thread. Good discussion. the more imput the better. thanks
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happiegrrrl wrote: "Community" vs. "Campground" - Only people who have come to rc.com in the last year would be confused about that... ....which brings us directly to the mention of L/R being next to C/G. When that change occurred, and the crap started getting flung in the L/R, we were vocal about requesting that change. It was rejected. The compromise was to relocate the entire Community Section from the top of the page to the lower portion. Dingus' suggestion of filtering out all guys - I'm pretty sure that guy's participation is not the problem, nor do most of the women want to make the forum gender-based for participation. Many guys have great input, and it is welcomed. But it appears some guys can't help but make lewd, inappropriate comments, and then either play dumb when called on it or genuinely don't get it. Those posters, and how to deal with them, are the "issue." I think that the best way to handle it is actually to have active moderation in the forum. It shouldn't have to be a "we'll deal with it if you complain" sort of thing. That ends up allowing plenty of time to pass, and more monkeys to join the pile. Either the admins moderate, or they don't.... The onus is, and should be, on the management of this site to make that distinction and implement it. As it stands, I think the mgmnt would be hard-pressed to say they aren't aware of this recurring issue. While I can certainly understand they may have more pressing things to deal with, the fact remains that a message IS being sent, intentionally or unintentionally, by their slowness/resistance to react. Which leads us directly to the reason why these guys who continue to act like asses keep coming back. They're aware that the can "get away with it." Ladies room used to be seperated from community or campground. It still got it's share of inapropriate posts. I don't know about you and what your day is like, but mine is such that I can't, don't and won't spend every waking moment of my day logged onto this site. I'm not paid to, nor will I ever be paid to, read every single post made in ANY forum. I don't have the time to do so. So my suggestion still stands that if you have a problem with something posted LET A MODERATOR KNOW ABOUT IT. That is the quickest way to get it handled. Somebody is probably logged in when you see that there is a problem. It doesn't have to me myself of macherry that handles it. It could be any moderator of this site. And finally, we're all adults here people. Maybe some people should learn some self control. I know some five year olds with more than some of the people posting on this site.
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bent_gate wrote: My suggestion in number 1 was to create a section where the user (only the Orginal Poster or creator of the thread) can moderate posts in their own thread. So they could delete, responses they didn't like from their own thread. So it's giving Mod powers (plus specific post deleting powers and specific user banning powers) to the users to use only within their own created threads in this new proposed section only. Is that something you (or any mod) would be interested in proposing to the owners, or not? Nope. I don't support it. We have enough moderators. The system here doesn't work the same way it used to. Moderators on this board have the ability to moderate any forum, not just some here and some there. Again, if you have a problem figure out which moderator is online (under who's online) and send them a pm to let them know. There are plenty of us.
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happiegrrrl
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Nobody expects volunteers to act as employees, although I have to say - therein lies one issue. This is a for-profit website, so maybe ownership should consider offering their volunteers an incentive to do the work(and it is work). It was one thing when we all understood rc.com was shaky-at-best in their ability to finance the bandwidth for this site, but with all the click-throughs to Snorg T's, by the sort of people who are crass in the L/R and also in general, most likely!), and the paid advertising by companies such as Oakley, I doubt the site is in the red. Interestingly - when the site was in the red, the LR was actually fairly well moderated in real time. I don't have a problem making my point when I see abuses taken. But I will say that I am glad someone pointed out just how one goes about knowing how to find a Mod online! You might think such things should be obvious, but they aren't. The reason that I think it's sort of not right to require the "make a complaint, we'll act" guideline is that it perpetuates victimization. I know that sounds big - don't get bent out of shape. I'm just using some words to give an idea, so no "lewd post isn't rape" sorts of deflective responses from peanut gallery sorts, please. The Ladies Room DID have a reason for being created. , and it's the same reason many climbing workshops offer the "women only" intro to rock sessions. It's because there are women who have been conditioned to see themselves as objects. They haven't learned to say "no." They may use their body as a way to garner acceptance. They may never have learned to trust other women, but see them as competitors instead of allies. They may have been abused by men in a way that they have been hard-wired to set themsleves up for more abuse. THOSE are the types of women who are simply not going to "be a tattle-tale," or "a bitch" or "not a good girl" and take a stand - EVEN in an anonymous environment.(And sorry - everyone has seen that the "backrooms of rc.com": are far from a secured situation. Look how nasty someone got to me when I called them out on the "slut/vaginal contractor"(or whatever it was) issue? And I am about as strong as strong gets, when it comes to voicing my opinion and standing by it. I am so strong, in fact, that I have some left over to advocate for the one's who's voices have been muffled. And I will. It is for THOSE women that I make my request. Actively moderate the ladies room. Have someone dedicated to keeping tabs on it, in real time, as best as can be done. Maybe - yes - that involves paying an employee or two, to fill in for time spaces where volunteers aren't available. A person who would obviously have time to do other tasks, since the LR doesn't see much traffic. As things are now, the LR is not a healthy environment. It will not become one with and change will be organic, taking time to form.
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macherry
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I don't know what more to do happie. I have been in the ladies forum and actively moderating.........the one active thread!!!! warnings have been issued for inappropriate posts and in previous threads these posts have been recycled. I was a women studies major, i understand all the issues you bring to the table for discussion, but as you can see from the women posting in the LR, there are varied opinions about moderation. I'm not about to babysit the ladies room, and i don't believe any other mod will either. We expect a level of maturity, but still leave room for discussion and opinions. a mod doesn't have to be on line to drop a pm. As most around here know, i check in frequently. As far as this site for profit, it was for profit before the new owners stepped in. just different owners. And just check out the threads in the ladies room before the change in ownership, you'll find the moderation was even less, with more controversy, and inappropriate content. The forum has had it's ups and downs
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Macherry - I KNOW you work very hard. I am actually not suggesting any efforts to be made for you or any volunteer mod, and apologize if you all have felt I was attacking your positions. My comments are entirely directed toward the ownership of the site, and are only a viewpoint I posess(albeit I've had plenty of backup from people on my viewpoints; I can't walk down the carriage road or through HVCG without someone approaching me with some version of "what you said!" about the various positions I speak on). Though, of course I don't believe my opinions are the one and only, I would hope no one would suggest I believe I am speaking for the masses. So, then, since the mods are doing all that is within their power, and if ownership sees no reason for change - why not take a "see what happens" approach, I suppose. Discussions such as the one this thread entails would, I'd think, leave some sort of impression on those who know they are perpetrators(whether they would admit it even to themselves, much less out loud). Perhaps the stance of "Not acceptable," followed up by actions when appropriate, will produce that organic change and allow the Ladies Room to return to a place where a person can actually post without expecting a process of devolution.
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macherry
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happiegrrrl wrote: Discussions such as the one this thread entails would, I'd think, leave some sort of impression on those who know they are perpetrators(whether they would admit it even to themselves, much less out loud). Perhaps the stance of "Not acceptable," followed up by actions when appropriate, will produce that organic change and allow the Ladies Room to return to a place where a person can actually post without expecting a process of devolution. i agree, but i wouldn't want the LR to return to the way it was, like i said, the old threads prove it has been worse. I would like it to be an even better forum.
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happiegrrrl wrote: The Ladies Room DID have a reason for being created. , and it's the same reason many climbing workshops offer the "women only" intro to rock sessions. It's because there are women who have been conditioned to see themselves as objects. They haven't learned to say "no." They may use their body as a way to garner acceptance. They may never have learned to trust other women, but see them as competitors instead of allies. They may have been abused by men in a way that they have been hard-wired to set themsleves up for more abuse. WTF? Women climbing sessions at my gym are because men abuse women? I always figured that the women only sessions were because women may be more intimidated to show up at a gym that may be full of guys to try something new that pushes them from their comfort zone and may feel embarassing. Possibly because climbing may seem a masculine pursuit. But because women use their bodies as a tool, or distrust other women and see them as competition, or see themselves as objects? That is not what I've heard from women running it and participating in it, at least. But they probably wouldn't tell me straight up since I have testicles. (Wait, if it is the women they distrust, maybe they will tell me...) Seriously, why all the pussy footing about women? If someone is being an ass then they are an ass. If they are off topic or violating a forums rules, enforce the policy. It isn't cool whether they are doing it to a guy or a girl or what forum it is in (expect campground I s'pose, since off topic is on topic). That JT local thread that got bumped to campground was stupid. Page after page of guys trying to out-gay each other. Moving it is a poor solution since it then encourages people to spam threads they dislike until they are useless. Tell the off topic homophobes to take their flirting to PM and ban them if they persist. Other forums have temp ban (time outs) when peoople are being stupid, and it keeps the signal to noise higher.
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Marge, I think you need to remember that Happie does not speak for all of us - a small number, if anything. Mojo - I smell what you're stepping in. Happies....assertions... seem way off base, and as an active female climber, I just don't understand why we need to bring 10th grade social studies gender roles inot someplace where it just doesn't apply. Now, I know that I am only speaking for myself here, but then, so is Happie.
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It's all in the framing, Mojomonkey. Someone presenting a program will use words that create a positive imagery..... Why might a woman "be more intimidated to show up at a gym that may be full of guys to try something new that pushes them from their comfort zone and may feel embarassing"? It's sort of a chicken or the egg first question.... At any rate, in a woman's only session, a woman has a chance to remove obstacles such as a compulsion to be flirty, or act helpless or unintelligent. Or more aptly, the behavior will be intensified for them selves as they fall into the habit, in a setting where it's sort of out of place.... A safe place to deal with the feelings and new situation. It also provides them with a host of other women, some who may have similar issues, some that have worked through and come out beyond those issues, and others who have totally different ways of handling pressures. Also a place to meet new friends and climbing partners of the same gender. Especially helpful for the woman who had a b/f show them the ropes, and that has been the only climbing partner they have had..... And that women do tend to climb more in a balance-oriented way as opposed to using a willfull/get up it attitude.
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happiegrrrl wrote: It's all in the framing, Mojomonkey. Someone presenting a program will use words that create a positive imagery..... Why might a woman "be more intimidated to show up at a gym that may be full of guys to try something new that pushes them from their comfort zone and may feel embarassing"? It's sort of a chicken or the egg first question.... At any rate, in a woman's only session, a woman has a chance to remove obstacles such as a compulsion to be flirty, or act helpless or unintelligent. Or more aptly, the behavior will be intensified for them selves as they fall into the habit, in a setting where it's sort of out of place.... A safe place to deal with the feelings and new situation. It also provides them with a host of other women, some who may have similar issues, some that have worked through and come out beyond those issues, and others who have totally different ways of handling pressures. Also a place to meet new friends and climbing partners of the same gender. Especially helpful for the woman who had a b/f show them the ropes, and that has been the only climbing partner they have had..... And that women do tend to climb more in a balance-oriented way as opposed to using a willfull/get up it attitude. Ok, now this is ridiculous. WTF? Way to stereotype women in the way they always have been. Keep on.
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happiegrrrl wrote: It's all in the framing, Mojomonkey. Someone presenting a program will use words that create a positive imagery..... Why might a woman "be more intimidated to show up at a gym that may be full of guys to try something new that pushes them from their comfort zone and may feel embarassing"? It's sort of a chicken or the egg first question.... At any rate, in a woman's only session, a woman has a chance to remove obstacles such as a compulsion to be flirty, or act helpless or unintelligent. Or more aptly, the behavior will be intensified for them selves as they fall into the habit, in a setting where it's sort of out of place.... A safe place to deal with the feelings and new situation. It also provides them with a host of other women, some who may have similar issues, some that have worked through and come out beyond those issues, and others who have totally different ways of handling pressures. Also a place to meet new friends and climbing partners of the same gender. Especially helpful for the woman who had a b/f show them the ropes, and that has been the only climbing partner they have had..... And that women do tend to climb more in a balance-oriented way as opposed to using a willfull/get up it attitude. Happie, I don't know what kind of issues you've had with men in the past, but stop trying to put words into our mouths. I've been to girl climbing nights and mountain bike groups. Why? Because sometimes I just like the company of women.
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This is not a stereotype, nor is it a generalization of women as a whole. To deny that the woman's groups are a safe place for some ladies to empower themselves, as well as develop relationships within their gender is the ridiculous assertion, I would say. I've facilitated and participated in several situations that offer women's clinics(I'm speaking about groups outside of climbing, as well as within the sector); some quite well established, and this has been the overall way many of the groups are presented during orientation. Not all women need that sort of arena. Some benefit from the community of women that may not have been available to them otherwise, but would do just as well in mixed groups. But many are helped tremendously by it.
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happiegrrrl
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...and one more time - I speak for myself. Not as a self-appointed representative of all women, the women of rc.com, or any other subset. I am not putting words in ANYONE else's mouth. But G-G, you have facilitated in these w/shops. Perhaps your experience has been different than mine, but in every single one I've facilitated, at least one or two ladies has personally shared with me their experiences coming from where I describe. I can say this - If you can't identify with this issue - consider yourself lucky! Be grateful! You are the ladies who can brush off jerky comments and ignore obnoxious posts. But don't discount the one(s) who do.
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Yo happi I wasn't suggesting cutting out all the boys. What I was suggesting is yall taking control of your own forum. Let in who you want. Kick out who you wish. Give everyone the edit button! It'll be like a mini-2nd amendment experiment. That sort of thing. DMT
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happiegrrrl wrote: The reason that I think it's sort of not right to require the "make a complaint, we'll act" guideline is that it perpetuates victimization. I know that sounds big - don't get bent out of shape. I'm just using some words to give an idea, so no "lewd post isn't rape" sorts of deflective responses from peanut gallery sorts, please. Speaking for myself, I have to admit that I don't always know what comments a woman might find offensive. Oh, sure, there are blatant ones, and even a thick skulled nincompoop like myself can figure those out, but I've seen/read complaints over comments that I didn't see as so offensive. FWIW, there are "obvious" over the line posts in other threads, too, not just LR. But there's also lots of gray areas in those forums, too. Thus, the quandry of the staff: When to draw the line, and where? When I think it's offensive? When the user at whom the comment is directed thinks it's offensive? A simple majority of users? Where/When? That's the hardest question to answer each time I hover my mouse pointer over the "Move thread" button. Maybe I'm not sensitive to women's issues because I'm not a woman. So, for me, I'm stuck with the "If you complain, I'll do something about it" mode of moderating threads. To alter things just because *I* find them offensive leads me down a road I don't particularly like. Bent Gate, I like the idea of giving each OP the power to moderate, in the abstract, but again this has great potential for abuse: Imagine a religion thread where every post that questions the religious views gets sent off to the dumpster by the OP. Not exactly the sort of open discussion environment we want to promote, dig?
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reno wrote: happiegrrrl wrote: The reason that I think it's sort of not right to require the "make a complaint, we'll act" guideline is that it perpetuates victimization. I know that sounds big - don't get bent out of shape. I'm just using some words to give an idea, so no "lewd post isn't rape" sorts of deflective responses from peanut gallery sorts, please. Speaking for myself, I have to admit that I don't always know what comments a woman might find offensive. Oh, sure, there are blatant ones, and even a thick skulled nincompoop like myself can figure those out, but I've seen/read complaints over comments that I didn't see as so offensive. FWIW, there are "obvious" over the line posts in other threads, too, not just LR. But there's also lots of gray areas in those forums, too. Thus, the quandry of the staff: When to draw the line, and where? When I think it's offensive? When the user at whom the comment is directed thinks it's offensive? A simple majority of users? Where/When? That's the hardest question to answer each time I hover my mouse pointer over the "Move thread" button. Maybe I'm not sensitive to women's issues because I'm not a woman. So, for me, I'm stuck with the "If you complain, I'll do something about it" mode of moderating threads. To alter things just because *I* find them offensive leads me down a road I don't particularly like. Bent Gate, I like the idea of giving each OP the power to moderate, in the abstract, but again this has great potential for abuse: Imagine a religion thread where every post that questions the religious views gets sent off to the dumpster by the OP. Not exactly the sort of open discussion environment we want to promote, dig? I'm stepping into this one late and reno has already eloquently expressed how I feel about modding in LR. I have no problem stomping out the obvious over-the-line posts but I do refrain from acting on gray area posts until I have some sort of feedback from users. I'd also like to point out that although Paolo (slab) was wrong in his post and subsequent defense of it (if only because it became obvious that it had offended a fair number of you ladies) that does not, in any way, give you the right to insult or personally attack him. I would suggest that people who advocate for stronger enforcement should be particularly careful with their words. -F
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slablizard
Nov 1, 2007, 11:41 PM
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fenix83 wrote: I'd also like to point out that although Paolo (slab) was wrong in his post and subsequent defense of it (if only because it became obvious that it had offended a fair number of you ladies) that does not, in any way, give you the right to insult or personally attack him. I would suggest that people who advocate for stronger enforcement should be particularly careful with their words. -F (Cough) thank you old chap...thank you....(cough) getting close to my 42th birthday will hopefully bring more consideration and resperct in my heart and words... god bless you all my dear friends...god bl.... (he dies..eyes open..a smirk on his face)
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philbox
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Nov 2, 2007, 1:55 AM
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reno, fenix, I love you guys, Phil chokes up, blows nose with hanky (foghorn sound effect, hanky flutters out horizontally) I agree with everything the other mods have said.
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wonderwoman
Nov 5, 2007, 5:47 PM
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bent_gate wrote: (Not necessarily responding to climbs4fun, but rather all mods, your post was the last) I've suggested this before and have been basically ignored. I would appreciate a response whether it be positive or negative: 1) In the Ladies Room, (or perhaps create a separate section), Why not allow the OPs to moderate their own threads? Give them the ability to delete posts that they don't like and/or even ban users from posting to their thread? Mods don't get blamed for censorship that way, and people who don't like whatever have control over their thread. 2) I have frequently seen Mods tell posters to keep off-topic, or ridiculous posts limited to "Community". Well "Ladies Room" IS in "Community", and it's pretty misleading. I've seen users in "Ladies Room" told to take it to "Community". Again "Ladies Room" is IN "Community". Would you please tell people to take it to "CAMPGROUND". It makes it much more clear and I actually believe may solve part of the problem. 3) Failing the above two, how about just moving "Ladies Room" out of "Community" and give it it's own separate section. Why do you want the Ladies Room right next to the most raucous Campground around. And then wonder why raucous men come wandering in? Why do you want to have the most Highly Moderated right next to the Least Moderated? Community implies everyone. Move it to its own special section. I honestly believe if you had Arno's section right next to campground, you would also get a lot of dumbass responders wandering in and saying, "Just. suck it up and climb dudes!" So separate section I've suggested some of these things before and still think these are good ideas.
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timd
Jan 4, 2008, 10:47 AM
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happiegrrrl wrote: Asshole - So I suppose if you were in a relationship with a woman who has a 12-year old son, and were acting in a caretaker role, and the kid's school had some sort of discussion forum where parents, teachers and students all posted on forums about such things as school sporting events, classroom needs and extra-curricular activites - you'd think it would be okay to post pedophile jokes in that venue? Touche' I love it, keep up the good work Happie!
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