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codyk
Feb 14, 2003, 12:59 AM
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What should I do if someone says they have driven 200 miles for the route I am on? I had this happen to me for the first time a while ago. I was thinking they shold be able to find another route, considering the surronding routes were all approx the same rating.
We decide to let the climber that was on the route finish, but move to a different route after that. It was no more than 30 seconds after I had cleaned up that the were already setting up. They were standing at the top of the route before our climber had finished, and were dropping rocks without warning on him. It was top roping, so I cleaned up and moved over 3 routes to rappel down.
Any Comments Welcome.
Thanks,
Cody Keith
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valygrl
Feb 14, 2003, 1:14 AM
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200 miles to set up a top rope? How completely LAME!
I think it is first come first serve. Just be polite. Don't leave your TR hanging there with no one using it, and be aware that if there are lots of you, you could offer to let them use your TR to be polite, but other than that... geeze!
I hope you don't mean they were dropping rocks intentionally.
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rollingstone
Feb 14, 2003, 1:21 AM
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Yup, the dudes were losers! Dropping rocks?? Intential or accidental, they were lame and it does not matter how far they drove, it's first-come, first-served.
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kman
Feb 14, 2003, 1:27 AM
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Dropping rocks on him eh. I sure hope it was not intentionall. Even if it wasn't I would still have something to say about it. Cam to the head.*WACK* "how's that feel jackass, kinda like a rock falling on my head eh...jackass." Sorry...having a bad day
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topher
Feb 14, 2003, 1:31 AM
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i dont intend for this to sound elitest....
ok who the drives 200 miles to top rope!!! like holy crap. im thinking that the person was spining you a line.
as for rules of conduct, your there first its all yours. now if your not climbing they can have a crack (no pun) at it but if your on it then they can wait, and if they did drive 200 miles, then im sure there is at least one other route that they would want to get on.
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nailzz
Feb 14, 2003, 2:12 AM
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I would agree with just about everything that has been said about this already. If you ask me, it makes no difference how far somebody came to climb something. Once you are at the crag, crag rules and etiquette apply. Personally, I would have told them to wait and maybe warm up on another route while I finished up. And, not to be rude, but I would have not been in a hurry. I want to enjoy my day just as much as I am sure they do. If I'm rushed to get off a route not only will I not enjoy it, I am several times more likely to make a mistake and put somebody's life in danger.
I hate hearing about crap like this in this sport. I like to think that most climbers are a little more reasonable and less self-centered than the rest of the world but crap like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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moabbeth
Feb 14, 2003, 2:21 AM
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I just gotta ask...what route and where was this? Was it something beyond spectacular? I can't imagine driving 200 miles to toprope something! That makes no sense.
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fritzski
Feb 14, 2003, 2:22 AM
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I had almost the same scenario happen to me in the Queen Creek, AZ area. Only they were Euro trash from Belgium or something and couldn't speak very good English, but walked up while we were on the route and basically said this was the one they wanted to climb (about a hundred others available w/in 100yds!) and that we should get off ASAP. I was completely blown away at their rudeness which I have to say is the total EXEPTION for that area - other climbers you normally meet there are awesome! We were at a loss and of course ended up being very accomodating. I have to say that I couldn't even dream of going over to another country and acting like that. I'd fully expect to get my ass kicked! So much for the myth of the ugly American!
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cobra652004
Feb 14, 2003, 3:14 AM
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Yeah, I'd have to agree, these guys had to have been selling you some tickets. I don't think anybody comes 200 miles to toprope. Aside from that, let them wait, you're on the climb, and it's not like it will take you all day long to get out of their way. They can hang around or come back in a little while if you're on it. Politeness is still always nice, though.
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cobra652004
Feb 14, 2003, 3:14 AM
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Yeah, I'd have to agree, these guys had to have been selling you some tickets. I don't think anybody comes 200 miles to toprope. Aside from that, let them wait, you're on the climb, and it's not like it will take you all day long to get out of their way. They can hang around or come back in a little while if you're on it. Politeness is still always nice, though.
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jerrygarcia
Feb 14, 2003, 3:25 AM
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Your making up the part about the rock dropping arent you? Its sounds like one of those stories a kid tells when hes late coming home from 2nd grade then he says "oh yeah and a dragon flew by and took me to the park so I couldnt come home right away".
Dave
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nailzz
Feb 14, 2003, 3:25 AM
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The only way I could see people driving 200 miles to toprope a marginal route is if they live somewhere where climbing (I won't even say good climbing) is that scarce. Parts of TX (where the original poster is from, according to his profile) I could imagine are this way.
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col_sanderz
Feb 14, 2003, 3:36 AM
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Why do you say it dosen't make any sense to drive 200 miles to top rope. What if they wanna road trip somewhere but don't have lead experience. Its seems viable to me!
However, it still dosen't matter how far they drove. First come, first served!
[ This Message was edited by: col_sanderz on 2003-02-13 19:38 ]
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codyk
Feb 14, 2003, 3:40 AM
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Rocks- true, although on accident they should still warn.
The route was on barton creek greenbelt. Don't which, sorry
and the best part was the rope that they had was too short for the route.
Texas is where i be from y'all
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lox
Feb 14, 2003, 3:42 AM
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Stay far from that place.
Excapt the bad bolder...
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curt
Feb 14, 2003, 5:14 AM
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Normally, I would be inclined to let them tie into my rope. I don't climb with an agenda and if strangers walked up to me and politely informed me that they really wanted to do a route I had a rope on (since this was apparently a TR) I would invite them to do so.
However, it sounds like these guys were maybe not so polite, so when they informed me that they had driven 200 miles for this route, I probably would have told them that I had just finished driving 500 miles to do the route--and they would just have to wait.
Curt
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camhead
Feb 14, 2003, 5:20 AM
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just to clarify ya'll... what these guys did was rude, and they do not know climbing etiquette.
now to the important stuff...
Here in big ol' Tejas, it is commonplace to drive 200 miles for a day of climbing, especially if you are from the rock-free area of dallas. I don't know how many times I've gotten my ass up at 4am to drive down to the Austin area for a day of climbing.
but not to Barton Creek, dude... not to Barton Creek.
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texplorer
Feb 14, 2003, 5:29 AM
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Before I became old and wise I lived in Texas and yes, I too went on those crack of dawn trips . And yes, I drove that far to toprope, at mineral wells no doubt. Ah, how things have changed.
Anyway, cody, if I'm in Yosemite and there is someone who has traveled around the world or from 10 miles outside the park everyone has to wait their turn and they must also learn the ethics involved in climbing. If you have problems, inform them and if that doesn't work you can start brandishing your "belay Knife".
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danskiz
Feb 14, 2003, 5:36 AM
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Every now and than me and my climbing crew go to this one place that not many people know where is. Usually when the main cliffs are crowded. We go there specifically to set TRs on stuff that kicks our ass. We usually have four ropes set up all day. When some one does come around, we dont even wait for them to ask, we offer them a ride on a rope. We have never had any problems at all doing it this way. I even gave Conrad Anchor a ride on one of our ropes one day, that was sweet. How often do you just run in to and get to climb with someone with his experience on the east coast!
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jon_dittman
Feb 14, 2003, 1:18 PM
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Tell them that you have just driven 300 miles!
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totigers
Feb 14, 2003, 1:47 PM
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I've driven over 200 miles to climb and all I do is toprope but who cares what I climb. I'd rather talk with some of the locals that can give me more info on what to climb. And if I'm there then why not let them take a crack at it on my rope since I'm set up already and I probably could use a break anyway.
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apollodorus
Feb 14, 2003, 1:57 PM
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DOOOD! I just drove 300 miles! I get your house, wife and kids. Brahhhhh!
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astrocrag
Feb 14, 2003, 2:04 PM
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I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that any one who climbs could possibly throw rocks at another climber doing a route! I'm sorry codyk, I still remember your post threatening to shoot anyone smoking pot in "your world".
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codyk
Feb 14, 2003, 2:13 PM
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what pot smoking post? Yall confuse me
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whitenight
Feb 14, 2003, 2:22 PM
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What they did is wrong and just plain mean, they could have waited a little longer.
As for the 200 miles thing...I have to drive 60 miles just to get to a rock gym. I don't even know how many miles it is to get to other climbing places. 200 miles can be done in about 2 hours, no big deal. My family went down to Red River Gorge to climb and it took 6 1/2 hours....and yes we just toproped. I know that a lot of you can't understand it, but sometimes you can only do what your experiance allows you to. We had a great time and I would do it again!
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