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missedyno
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I can understand the reasoning behind the apparent trend that (assumed heterosexual) rockclimbing guys seem to a) want a climber chick; or b) want their present chick to climb.
I’d like climber opinions on another trend.
I’ve noticed that guys seem intimidated when a girl attains too much muscle. Doesn’t climbing naturally build muscle, be it tone or in some cases mass? What defines the fine line between “good climber” and “she looks manly”.
I can understand that with a lot of muscle, women can loose their femininity (hardcore female body builders, for instance). But with climbing comes some toning for most people. What justifies using the sport you love in common against them?
Opinions, please.
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woodse
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I love that my girl climbs and the body that comes with it. Women who climb, for th most part, have great bodies that tend to be in great shape. Much different from the women body builders on ESPN whose arms are bigger than my legs! I find it to be true that a lot of climber chicks are hot, not intimidating!
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cryptoboy
Apr 17, 2002, 3:28 AM
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guys are generally kinda dumb (I speak from experience being a guy and all )
Some people can't think for themselves. How many people would willinging go against generations of ingrained gender roles and just judge someone for who they are.
Me, I think muscular chicks are sexy. But I think smart girls are sexy too, so I'm just kinda wierd
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addiroids
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Case in point:
Tiffany Campbell is fvcking huge, but is one of the cutest chicks I have met.
I don't think it is intimidating to see chicks with some guns. I appreciate when people take care of their body, and if chicks like Tiff get strong from climbing hard (she was a college gymnast too) then how can you fault them for that? Also if a chick climbs a wall, I would expect her to be a little beefy. It takes more than 90 pounds to fight the pig all day, although I wouldn't mind taking a very petite 90 pound girl up a wall and doing all the work in exchange for "favors".
TRADitionally yours,
Cali Dirtbag
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What about lisa rands?? She is pretty musccelly, and someday she will realize that she should marry me;-). Or not as the case may be. I think muscles are very sexy on women, and so what if she climbs better than me, most people do....
E.B.
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beyond_gravity
Apr 17, 2002, 3:53 AM
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No one climbs better then Dr. Jumar
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ravens_wing_jim
Apr 17, 2002, 3:53 AM
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The looks you see the guys giving the gals
at your local crag, is not the look of
intimidation, but something quite differant
I think women who rock, rule!
And I think it would take a
very insecure guy to
think any differant.
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graniteboy
Apr 17, 2002, 3:59 AM
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Muscle tissue is muscle tissue. So what?
Women who are ripped are fine. Women who are ripped and who feel they have to compete with men all the time are just as personally offensive to me as men who are ripped and feel they have to compete all the time.
I met a runner gal the other day who had the most ripped leg muscles I've ever seen on a woman. Not weightlifter style, but lean and mean runner style...
I had to hide the fact that my "other head" found her extremely attractive....It was awfully hard to carry on a whole conversation with my legs crossed so tightly...
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blacksamba
Apr 17, 2002, 4:12 AM
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i thought that from the forum title that you meant girls that climb better then men which is a way different issue.
on this topic tiff cambell is huge but still feminine yada yada what everyone else says
I on the other hand was a stick boy through highschool and am still skinny, I am fvcking sick of being called effeminate (granted by arsehole guys) because I dont have huge guns or a ripped chest.
Masculintiy and Feminity should have nothing to do with body image and everything to do with you as an individual and how you personally handle your body type ie there is no one woman or man
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climberchic
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Wow, addiroids...you really ARE a Cali Dirtbag!
Anyhoo, here's my 2 sense..
Guys that I've dated that are non-climbers (which, by the way, never lasts long ) tend to be intimidated by strength in girls. And it probably doesn't help their ego when I win at arm wrestling
But climbers? They seem to find chicks with guns very sexy. Hey-just means they're better climbers
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jeepmonkey
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There is a world of difference for me between a woman who body builds and a woman who acquires muscle from climbing, running, rowing, playing softball, etc.
I don't find woman who body build all that attractive. there are exceptions.
Haven't met a woman who climbs and has muscle that is not attractive and feminine. Nike is a case in point.
some guys may be intimidated by a woman who climbs better than them, but tough. lot's of woman climb better than i do (my gym partner climbingjoy does). my daughter climbs better than i do. so what.
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Personally I enjoy a girl that looks healthy. just as the others say tho, those girls with necks bigger than their heads are very unatractive. I don't mind a little meat on the bone be it muscle or non-muscle and I said JUST A LITTLE, which goes either way. I think tiff campbell is cute for being so "well developed" in the muscle department... because it's all power and not showing off, but some women do go so far as to losing a lot of their femeninity, because of all the muscle in part, but also because their way of moving is no longer femenine and this usually has little to do with muscles but with attitude. So to answer the question is no, I'm not intimidated by strong female climbers, just turned off by unfemenine women.
I think competition between one and one's partner is good as long as it doesn't become a race to prove something about the other!
power to the ppl! (guys AND gals)
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Apr 17, 2002, 5:16 AM
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Well...
yep...here I go.
MY Rant:
I get digs in from others, women at work, the husband...as if muscle is a" bad". I feel the need to defend.
I find this an interesting subject.
I've been all too concerned...from feedback of unnamed peoples...about no fat. My body changes, loss of weight...gain of muscle.
I have loved the results, climbing has done for my physical appearance.
I've gotten comments, from my husband.
Some? Not so very positive.
I've previously been overweight by 60 lbs ... so, my body's changes??? Yes, muscle is a good thing.
Climbing, I love. It's fun. It's challenging.
I've not hidden my love for the human body...since taking up climbing.
It truly is poetic. Tone women or men.
I love to see the back muscles, and the forearms...
calves...
It's ALL just amazingly graceful.
I do feel the need to defend myself.
Like it's a bad.
I know it's not.
But, how do you explain to others...your love and passion for climbing.
It's damn hard.
I'm lucky to have found climbing.
This result...may intimidate?
I'm feminine.
I'm all GURRL!!
I'm not a whiner.
but, the gurl is alive and well!!
no male muscle here.
All girl.
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Apr 17, 2002, 5:22 AM
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i like a girl that can kick my ass!!!!!
most can from age 10 up!!!!
not to say i like young girls just that im weak and have no problems with strong fit chicks!
joe
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Amen Erica! Climberchic is right. In general, men are intimidated by strong women...physically, mentally... those that have got it together...
But climbing men don't seem to get intimidated. I think most realize that this is not a gender-contest.... just because a woman is strong does not mean he's less than a man!
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My Opinion
Most Rock climbing chicks are sexy
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Apr 17, 2002, 6:09 AM
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I'm definitely not in want for muscular bulk - all the girls on my lacrosse team are like that, we were just bitching today about the size of our calves from the hill sprinting. . .
But on that note - I think thin guys are cute. So . . . cheers!
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joemor
Apr 17, 2002, 6:24 AM
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thin guys are cute.... i thought i never hear those words...... i think i am the best surviving example of a skinny guy....... or is that scrawny?
lol
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Apr 17, 2002, 6:30 AM
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Strong girls are alright. Crazy girls are bad. Las Vegas girls are dangerous jail bait. "Fight Club" quoteing girls are bad muthers (Samual Jackson style).
I havn't quoted like that since I was a school girl.
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I myself like a gurrrl that is in great shape. It is even better if she climbs or does anything that involves being outdoors.
I am not into the frail girly girl that has to be made up all the time. It just doesn't do it for me. Sorry, but I like the adventurous type that doesn't mind getting dirty and spending a lot of time outside..
I hope to meet one of them outdoorsy chicky's sometime in the future.
So back to the muscle thing. It isn't a bad thing at all!! In fact it is a VERY, VERY GOOD thing!! So all you Gurrls out there be very proud about it!!
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I would not be intimidated by any climber who could out climb me, and who was a much more experienced all-arounder than I, regardless of their sex.
For instance, if I were climbing with Chris Sharma; I would not be intimidated, nor would I feel sorry for my own techniques/abilities. I would try to have as much fun with the guy as possible.
This would be the same if I were to climb with say Lynn Hill, or Tiffany Campbell. They could most definitely out climb me by all means, though I would just go out there to have as much fun as possible.
Besides, it's a perk anyway getting to climb with the girls. They're not too bad to look at don't cha know!
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I Love, repeat... LUURRVVEEE female climbing boddies. Seeing a girl that can crank out hard problems is awesome to watch. It dosnt intimidate me to climb with a girl who climbs harder than me, i think it's good.
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I don't know if this is being covered or not, but 'most' guys can't handle if their 'girl' climbs better than them. I know of a few instances were boyfriends/husbands either quit or stopped climbing as much when the girl started to out-climb them. As from my experience it has just been sort of a competition
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Yesterday, I was trying to change my license plates, but one of the screws was rusted into place. Try as I might, I couldn't get the damn thing out, but I kept trying. Eventually, I broke the screw driver tip in my attempts. The screw driver was my Dad's favorite, so I felt pretty bad.
Later that night, my parents and I are eating dinner, and I had forgotten about the screwdriver. All the sudden my dad says, "We need to find a new hobby for Dana."
I give him a confused look, so he responds, "You're too strong. I've never seen anyone break a screwdriver like that before. No more rockclimbing for you."
I'm pretty ripped, especially when I'm climbing a lot. From my experience, I get nothing but admiration for my muscles. If I'm climbing in my sports bra or a tank top, people stare and say stupid things like, "Man, you're ripped." I hate the attention, so I usually wear t-shirts to avoid all the compliments. Now that it's warmer out, though, I'm going to have to suck it up and wear the tank.
Some friendly advice: if you see a muscular girl , you don't need to tell her. She already knows, and she's probably already heard it a gajillion times.
Cheers!
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I have always found female bodies to be incredibly attractive. (My first love was the female gymnast body; thick quads, ripped calves, and wide backs.)
With regards to being intimidated, personally, it’s not intimidation but rather motivation that I feel when my partner (male or female) climbs as hard or harder than I do. It pushes me to try harder.
Case in point: I was recently working my first 5.12a on TR. I was the first one to try it. I got about 20 feet off the ground and after several attempts, asked to be lowered. My female friend was up next. She made it to where I had made it. Took a few tries, but finally worked the entire route. When she came down I felt I had to give it another go. Not because I was intimidated that a “Lady†did something that I couldn’t, but because I was motivated by the stick-to-it-evness that she displayed. Gender is not nearly as much a factor for some as it is for others. I would have tried the route again with the same desire had my partner been a man. Just the way it is.
Now with that said, I know and have known many men that have given up on activities because their female counter-part became better at it than them. (Bowling, pool, darts, etc.) However, on the same token, I know and have known women that have given up on certain activities because their male counter-parts became better at it than them. So I don’t know if it is so much gender driven, as it is personality driven. Whatever it is, I find it sad that someone would give up climbing or any other activity that brings them joy and satisfaction just because their girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, or husband is better at it than they are.
But what do I know…I’m just a climber
-Hanger
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Apr 17, 2002, 3:21 PM
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Man, I thought that this thread would be about men being intimidated by women who are better climbers than them!
Oh well.
I am sick of trying to get girls that I like to try climbing. from now on I'm only going to date climbers, preferably only those that are better climbers than me.
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missedyno
Apr 17, 2002, 8:21 PM
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well, even though i think it's funny that i can beat some guys in an arm wrestle, i personally like that my boyfriend is a lot stronger than me.
so do you think this question can go in reverse? strong women wanting stronger men?
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Well as a dedicated weight lifter and climber of course, i have developed quite a bit of muscle...not enough to become bulky because of my lack of testosterone, but i am getting defined and toned. Which i love. even though i was just thinking yesterday that because of my lack o' boobs that i looked like a boy. I soon got over that after i did a super intense workout and felt great.
However...to those who don't work out, like people i work with i feel like i have to defend my passions for exercise, diet and of course that irresponsible and risk taking sport of climbing. It used to bug me but now i just remind myself that when i look in the mirror i look great, i feel great and that's all that matters.
If men are intimidated....oh well they can fall into the group of people i would rather not conversate with anyway.
MUSCLE GIRLS ROCK!!!!!!
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I too got the impression from the title of this thread that we were talking about girls that climb better than guys. . . sooo, I'll say that I would love to date a climber that could kick my trash on the crag, I'm very competitive and this would inspire me to push myself way harder. And hopefuly she would do the same and we could just feed of each others energy.
Along the same lines, I think that watching a chic get a real tough redpoint is a MAJOR turn on.
And on the strength issue, the kind of body that hardcore climbing builds I personally find way attractive.
~foolry
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Apr 17, 2002, 9:36 PM
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I'd like to turn this around. Would you ladies date someone who climbed significantly and consitantly worse than you?
Oh yeah and on the actual topic of the post, what climber isn't attracted to girls that are in shape? I don't think I've seen Sir-mix-alot out at the crag recently.
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cedk/x(?): good question. I wouldn't have a problem with it. Besides the standard, forgive me girls, is that most climbing couples the man is able to lead/climb the harder routes, so the men are used to this why would we have aproblem with it? The one I would think would have an issue would be the guy feeling inferior.
I would be glad to say I am a lesbian, but that wouldn't be true, but I can say that I love looking at toned female bodies, they're extremely attractive creatures. And I love the way I look after a trip.
I think our climbing men are not your average arseholes, and do not subscribe to what may intimidate other men, god bless em.
Proud to be a large ladie,
Lis
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My little girly cousin in on a college Rugby team and has almost as many scars as me now. I like it, but of course our relationship is based on kicking the crap out of each other and trying to break each other. Our favorite is standing on the other's stomach while they slowly say the entire alphabet or whisle. I got a hugh weight advantage, but she still hangs in there some how. Shes a tough cookie. It would really suck if this was the same kind of relationship I had with a girl friend. Where is the lovin in that?
Maybe people get intimidated because they want a romantic relationship with with somebody they've always had a crap kicking relationship with and they can't get the other to understand.
Just a thought I had in Math class
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this is a way interesting topic. I'm a girl for context. (Warning: This is long)
I've noticed when climbing with guys that there's more competition. It's generally OK when I don't climb as hard (or sometimes expected) but it doesn't seem as cool (from the guy's psyche) if I'm climbing stronger that day. With women, it seems to vary more on the individual. If I'm climbing w/ a fem who's pretty competitive, she might be testing me to see how hard I'll climb so she can compare her abilities to me.
Competition against my partner doesn't seem to motivate me much. I'd rather get the satisfaction of completing a project that has been kicking my butt for a while. I like people who are funny and relaxing (if they're intense climbers on top of this, that's way cool).
If a guy were climbing below my level but was safe and had the same goals for improvement, that would be cool. Like at least having the ability to swap belays.
Psychologically wanting a stronger guy? Well, I wouldn't want to be bigger than the guy. It's nice to be w/ someone who makes you feel looked after (probably in life as in climbing).
I've been playing sports since I realized I wasn't a cheerleader type. Gaining too much muscle has always been a concern. But I see strong women climbers w/ well-defined back muscles and think, "wow, I want a back like that."
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No I am not intimidated. i dont get indtimidated cuz i know there are always people better than u and u always have room for improvement.
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Competion?
I like to think of it as setting a standard that the others must meet. Like towing the line. Two evenly matched climbers sharpen each other and push the line of their ablities upward at a steady rate. Unevenly matched partners may stagnate or get frusterated with each other. An overly matched girl may cause more frusteration than stagnation in a male partner of lesser ablities.
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Hey crazylikeafawkes... define "too much muscle" on a woman. I personally find well muscled women devestatingly sexly, attractive, and frequently confident in themselves and their abilities (which I also like in a person in general, not just women ).
If you're finding guys intimidated by your power, t'hell with them. They don't know what they can learn from you.
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I'll define it to you spike... in 3 words: female body builders... and I'll tell you why it's TOO MUCH muscle in 3 more words: extremely not sexy.
I'm straight and all but I think I can tell the difference between ugly and attractive men, and I don't see anything attractive in guys with thighs wider than their heads either!
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Big muscles on females just aren't attractive to me. Maybe it's just that it doesn't seem natural to me. Lean, firm, smooth, with only slight definition is what I find appealing.
As for climbing ability. If I were to seek a relationship she would definately have to climb or else I'd have to give up climbing. As long as she was willing to climb and enjoy it then I don't guess it would matter how bad she was. However I don't think I would like having a girlfriend who consistently climbed better than me.
Is she intimidating me? No I don't think so, she could probably cook (I say this because I never cook) better than me and that's not intimidating. Embarassing though? Yeah, a lot.
And to answer the original question. The difference is that "good climber" in my opinion applies totally to ability to get up the rock. "she looks manly" totaly refers to physical appearance and can have nothing to do with climbing. some girls are just born "manly". I think there's a huge line between the two. For example say Heidi Klum climbed a V14. She would be a good climber. She does not look manly. suppose Mrs. Butch flails on a V0-. Is she a good climber? No. Is she manly? Yeah. They're completely different.
You can be one and not the other.
You can be the other and not the one.
You can be both.
You can be neither.
As for using the common sport against them. If it's producing an undesirable effect in either member then it should be stopped or checked or revaluated. Let's take a similar example. Guy and girl are boyfriend and girlfriend. Both climb. Guy pulls incredibly hard and starts sending some 14's and double digit V's. (all good right) Well it makes him start to get cocky (which he has no problem being cocky, after all, he's sending some hard stuff) but she doesn't like it. So she tells him to either stop having a bighead or she's leaving cause she can't stand cocky guys. Nothing wrong with this. Climbing is producing a characteristic trait that she doesn't like so she should do something about it. Same as girl getting big muscles that the guy doesn't like. He should try and do something about it.
Now of course if the guy likes muscles then there's no problem.
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Apr 18, 2002, 1:34 PM
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The only way female bodybuilders get so huge is because they take some sort of supplements, steroids etc. Woman do not produce enough testoterone to get that huge naturally. Not saying that we can't build muscle and be lean mean and toned. But the herculean bulk is accomplished with assistance.
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Apr 18, 2002, 1:58 PM
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Hellaz, Im not even close to being intimidated by a climber chic. That rocks. I mean someone that can climb better than me, well deserves the respect. I dont think it should even be a gender issue, just a skill issue. rock on girls!
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It's always a bonus when a guy knows more or can climb harder, so I have something to learn, but by no means is a requirement. It's hard enough to find someone you connect with, are attracted to, AND share your life passion. So, if the chemistry was right, would I date someone that climbs "worse" than me? Absolutely. But the key is persistence. If they give up too easily (on a climb) that is a major turnoff to me. Just a need to climb, that's all.
On another note, I haven't had much experience climbing with guys that climb worse than I do. Besides "new climber" exceptions, I have been lucky enough to keep finding partners that can seriously crank. This motivates me to, not necessarily to compete or surpass them, but try to at least keep up. In a lot of cases, "keeping up" means dragging yourself up those 12a's
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krillen
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Okay I'll take the heat.
You guys that say you'd love to date a stronger climber than you, or aren't intimidated by a stronger woman than you, have ot see the big picture.
Sure at first it's fantastic (as most new relationships are) but after a while it nags at you a bit (in varry degrees depending on the person) ESPECIALLY if you are very competetive. We can all SAY we think equality in the sexes is a good thing, but there are still traditional sexual stereo-types ingrained into all of us.
Now, how you deal with those feelings of intimidation etc. is a different matter. Having them floating around in your head ISN'T bad thing, letting them interefere with your relationship with that person IS.
I will admit I HAVE been intimidated by stronger women, and still am occsionally, but I've done my best to see the whole person. Sometimes it gets the better of me, but all I can do it try my best.
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I don't mind a woman that is muscular. I think it looks good.
I don't think I would like it if she beat me up and talked like a guy though.
Scary!
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I like women with good body. Climbing really helps them. And i dont mind them climbing better than me. my ex was for a time better than me, so i pushed a little harder... now im the better one. but still a good girl is a good motivation. But they must not muck you. I dont muck anybody.
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I don't think I could date a guy who was a worse climber than me. Why? I'd feel like it was holding me back. I'm getting this way with my choice of climbing partners. My most (at the moment) regular partner and I are about matched for skill, so it works pretty nicely. We work together to get better. Kind of how relationships should be.
And just to make Crap's day: I am Joe's complete lack of surprise.
Now, that's not to say that I wouldn't take a guy I was dating climbing and train him. I'd probably be bummed when and if he surpassed me, but. . . them's the knocks in life.
I can't remember who posted about not mentioning how ripped a gal is. I don't know about that. Just depends. People tell me I have wide shoulders (I don't think I do), and it kind of bugs. But tell me I'm in great shape? I'm yours.
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Wow! The thread was really different from what I thought it was going to be when I read the title. It was all about muscle and I thought it was going to be about technique. I'm a guy and started out hauling myself up the wall with my guns, pump, pump, pump. Then I noticed these women who were really dancing up the wall with little effort. That's when I noticed climberchicks for the first time. How'd they do that? And I watched them and asked some questions. I watched some more and tried to do that and my consciousness began to shift from upper body to mid body and legs. What a difference in climbing and its enjoyment. Thanks climberchicks! You can still climb better than me, but who cares. You taught me how to climb, like my mama taught me how to pray. I'm gonna keep watching you. Hope you don't mind!
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maculated: kudos on the fight club post. i just couldn't think of any. (i've been told that chicks who like fight club are uber cool.)
any chicks find that people feel they have some sort of important say with your looks? "don't work on your legs too much, they'll get big and you don't need them to climb" i've also been told not to touch weights as they will build mass as well...
geeeez!
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Quote:Maculated: People tell me I have wide shoulders (I don't think I do), and it kind of bugs.
I think broad shoulders on a woman looks great!
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But tell me I'm in great shape? I'm yours.
Maculated, you are in great shape!
Dinner at 8:00?
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maculated
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Hey! I'm not THAT easy!
Crazy, well . . . that makes two of us, then. And, actually, I used to do a bunch of weights and crunches when I was younger, but I have a low metabolism, and it kind of just makes the fat stick out more . . . so I quit doing the crunches. I'm doing them again for lacrosse, and I've lost weight, so it's not that big of a deal, but yeah . . . "don't bulk up" is common. You should see my school - 80% skinny minnies spending 80% of their time on a treadmill.
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I think its more embarrasing (for me at least) if a very very young climber is totally whooping your butt.
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Coming from 1st hand experience (I am a grrl)I love what climbing has done to my body. Guys shouldn't feel intimidated just b/c chicks have muscles. My man is 6'3'' and he is only intimidated b/c he is so LARGE not b/c i have muscles larger than the average female. I enjoy climbing and i will not let BAD SPORTSMANSHIP get ME down.
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Apr 22, 2002, 7:19 AM
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Oh, please, don't hurt me, you dominatrix hotte. OW! Stop that! OW! I know I am am worthless trash. OW! I know I don't deserve to be whipped by someone so hot. OW! I know I've been very, very bad. OW! I know I don't like this. OW! Don't! OW! Stop! OW! Don't stop....
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Apr 22, 2002, 12:56 PM
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Muscle on chick climbers is good, but body building muscles on chick climbers, hmmmm is just not good, not good at all.I do think some guys feel intimidated by some chick climbers and cos of that they then feel the need to be more manly
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ALL serious climbers, all sexes, share the love of adrenaline and reep the benefits of a more toned, sleek body. Don't be intimidated by a hard woman climber. It's about proving things to yourself, not others. And remember, it's about grace and style as much as the muscle....
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Thank you bean...you know exactly what climbing has done for me. I didn't feel better at twenty.
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we were just talking about this topic in chat...
it seems to be agreed that climbers in general need to maintain a certain "look" to be taken seriously by others (until, of course, you see them climb)
someone else, i believe it was pacificrain, made the point that climber guys like their climbergirls to stay kind of delicate...
personally, i've found that i've become more "girly" since i started climbing... because i'm not a fragile little waif....
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I just wanted to add my last two exes were, as xgretax put it, waifs. It's a phase, I'm over it, and now I'm looking for someone that I don't feel like I'll break in half if I poke too hard...
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Feet . . . HAHAHAHAHAH!
I was poking my friend the other night (he's 5'2" and has he puts it, weighs as the limit approaches 120) and got into an arm wrestling match and I was just holding my arm out and he was trying with all his might. Finally I was like, "That's it, I can't do this . . ." good thing I still have climbing partners who can whip my mushy attempts.
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I like chicks who climb... i like them tone and all.
I don't have a problem with them, in fact i respect them and love them, especially those who can kick my ass.
To all those who DO have a problem with climbing chicks who are tone and muscular and better than them... go see a doctor.
NOW... I MEAN IT..
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missedyno
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well greta, i'm not sure if guys like "waifs" but that's certainly what society (magazines, evil media plots, etc) want us to think.
therefore when we bulk up a tad and hear "don't get any bigger" we assume that they want us to be 100lb rakes.
don't get me wrong, i'm fine with how i am now, but i keep hearing "don't do weights" and "you're strong enough now"
i know technique accounts for a lot, but how am i supposed to get better?
maculated: i can only beat one of my climbing buddies in an arm wrestle. would you like to borrow the others?
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Hello .I put my desire for gurls aside and concentrate on my boulder or my lead problem. But Upfreak ,suicidal soldiers, smashme my best of friends in climbing would always pin point out to me the cute chicks climbing ESpacially Upfreak .But whenever i am alone i dont normally take notice of gurls, NOT that i am interested but because my heart isnt there to take notice off
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Apr 23, 2002, 5:42 PM
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I'm inspired by them...
Women tend to climb much more gracefully, and use more static techniques. This is how I try to climb, so I'm inspired by women who climb well.
Not only are women beautiful, they climb beautifully.
rrrADAM
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"Not only are women beautiful, they climb beautifully."
~Very well said Amigo~
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toobigtoclimb
Apr 24, 2002, 12:59 AM
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Does it count if you look like a woman when you take your shirt off?
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Just my own thoughts about this. When I think of a girl who is 'muscular' I think of a body builder. I think that girls who climb defintely have more muscle than girls who don't, but it's more like toned muscle. Not the bulging biceps, neck, back, etc...
I saw a girl at the Red last time I went and she had bigger thighs than the guys I climb with. And two of them are powerlifters! She had huge arms and muscles popping out of her back; which to me looked a little too manly. The people I climb with dig climber chicks with toned muscle, but even they thought she was a bit too extreme.
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who the hell cares? don't you guys have anything better to do than discuss this? go climbing, do pushups, pullups, build hand strength, read a book, a magazine, write a story, draw a picture, masturbate, eat food, sleep, go for a walk or a run, SWIM!!!, anything but waste your time on this...
i say this because i love you... sorry for yelling.
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Burly chicks are sexy...not like ESPN..but the chicks you see on like 12s and 13s are damn sexy. If that is you then check my profile...
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xgretax,
My girlfriend dosent climb,
and she is no waif.
Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes.
As far as what men find attractive,
I have found women in all shapes and sizes
to be attractive, wether they climb or not.
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I love hot climbing chicks I wish my significant other would climb it would be a great way to get closer and spend time together doing something you both loved
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I have to say that I am intimidated by a chick that can climb better than I can. Granted taht would be just about any girl that climbs. But I do not get pissed or otherwise out of control. Instead I try to make friends with them so I can hang with them and climb with them... so that I might learn from their female style. It has been my experience all through school and even at the climbing gyms that chicks still do not have the upperbody strength that most guys do. So I see them make up for it with technique. A chick that can teach me somethign is damn sexy to me. So if a guy has a hangup like not being able to deal with a climber chick that is better than him... I think that he might not be a true climber
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this has to be the worst topic I've seen on here... and it makes the featured topic? Why can't a girl be muscular (perhaps looking a lil manly) and STILL be a good climber. The introduction to this topic is as bad as saying "what defines the line between good climber and he looks like a wimp?" And whose to say looking "manly" is a bad thing. I, personally, do not find the bigger girls as attractive as others but that plays absolutly no role in how I judge them, especially as a climber. Disapointing topic
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missedyno
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Read.
The question is not "can a female can be muscular and still be a good climber", nor is it "how do men feel when a woman can climb better"
It's based upon society's view of how women should be waifs, conflicting with the physique that naturally develops from climbing.
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common against them?
i think the gentlemen on the site have expressed opinions and answered my question that they are attracted to the "climber chick physique" no matter what society says, which is great.
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Not only am I attracted to the "climber chick physique," I think that women who climb have better looking bodies than women in any other sport. The way that climbing shapes a woman's arms and back is very attractive.
-Jay
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well i wouldn't say it's the worst post ever made....but i do agree with the idea of what actually determines or defines too manly, too wimpy etc.
we all are built differently and what one may consider as bulky and manly may not appear that way to another.
as stated before woman naturally do not produce enough testoterone to create the muscular size that men can acquire.
on another view.....at what point does a man become too muscular. some may say the grossly overdefined muscle and bulk is just as unattractive on a man. personally muscle bound men are a big turn off to me.
In addition, as if women aren't freaked enough about our bodies....too fat, too short, to skinny, to tall....now too strong and muscular.
it's a wonder woman have any confidence at all.
my thoughts are do what is right for you if you want to get killer ripped then so be it and don't let anyone tell your going to bulk up or you're strong enough already.
I lift weights and train hard 5 days a week so i can be strong and confident most importantly.
Peace,
Rock "Ain't nothin' wrong with gettin' strong" Womyn
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I LOVE my muscles. (I'm a girl)
My Mom is disgusted by them, hahaha!
It's all a matter of taste. Some are into buff climber chicks and some are more into runway models.
I don't think there's anything wrong with either preference...
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yup, nothing wrong with individual opinion, it's the one thing that's yours and yours alone.
there's someone for everyone out there....
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I'm scared of my climber girlfriend.
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I used to have a partner who took it as a personal insult when a woman could do a climb and he couldn't. His projects usually involved climbs that he had seen a woman do. I personally think that many women are better climbers than men because they have better form. They can use the balance factor. I have also heard that women have a better strength to weight ratio.
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You know, I climbed with a guy two days ago who couldn't go up a route that I had pretty much no problem with. I wouldn't let him down until he did it, and his resolve and openness to my coaching was not only refreshing, but . . . it made him way cuter.
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pianomahnn:
Are you afraid she might break it off?
read my posts earlier before you read me the riot act about this post...it is obviously as the smileys show, a joke.
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Joke or no joke, "she" doesn't really appreciate the comment.
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Quote:I have also heard that women have a better strength to weight ratio.
No, men have the better strength-to-weight ratio. Women have the better brain-to-weight ratio. Women find creative solutions to cruxes that men power through.
-Jay
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Enough of this madness!!!
I wouldnt be suprised if our male climbers childish behaviour has put off girls from climbing!
Ladies - im sorry for the behaviour of my species.
If my memory is correct the initial question asked if male climbers were intimidated by stronger female climbers. My view is that intimidation should have no place in Rock Climbing, as a sport or as a culture. Unlike most sports, we have a common goal. Whether the climber be male a female we can only benefit from having them around. I dont even get intimidated by the muscly guy at my local gym who thinks hes too good for it.
Also mentioned in the initial post was what defines the line between a "good climber" and "she looks manly". This is like comparing chalk and cheese. There is no connection. Just because a lady has large muscle mass does not make her a good climber, nor does a lady with a more petite figure have to be a poorer climber. There is simply no relation here.
later, Dizzy.
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Ladies - im sorry for the behaviour of my species.
Has that line ever worked? Please.
Yes, I am intimidated by women who can climb better than me. I am also intimidated by men who can climb better than me. But at least I can call the men names like "wussy sport climber" and "spandex boy" and secretly wish he would put his shirt back so he doesn't make me look so bad.
Women on the other hand have a slightly different effect on me. I become shy, reclusive, and tongue tied. I go home and cry myself to sleep wondering why I cannot land me a hot chick like that.
BTW, I secretly have a crush on xgretax, rock_diva, nikegirl, crazylikeafawkes, rockwomyn, and any other women who has ever laced up a pair of rock shoes.
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men and women are of the same species, just different genders.
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I was watching some show on telly the other day and some bloke was saying wat he looked for in a women and wat he liked and it was, "A girl whose a size 8 with a small back" this comment really peed me off to think that some guys are like that, who expect skin, bones and no brains!!!
GO ALL YOU CLIMBER GUYS WHO FIND HEALTHY WOMEN ATTRACTIVE!!!!
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What's a small back?
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at the risk of offending some1, i will say this... i find SKINNY women very unatractive, i love a woman with a toned body, some1 who is fit, not some1 who looks like a twig and if she turns side on she dissapears.....
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My wife just started climbing and she regularly schools me and my climbing buddy in smoothness and fluidity. We were seaing balls to set a new route in some rocks outside of town and once we had the anchor set she sailed up the problem that had given both of us a good minute or two of stopping and thinking without even half the holds we had used. of course this was after we had top-roped it, so she didn't have the worry of placing pro. but it was only her thrid time being roped in. I love it. she will soon be way better than me (then she can lead those damn sketchy routes)
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I'd have to say that climbing won't produce the huge muscles that body builders have so there's not intimidation factor there. Plus, the fact that women are not as strong as men mean they have to use better technique and that often makes them better climbers after a while. Any girl who likes the outdoors is okay in my book.
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I have to put my 1cent in. I dig a climberchick or a non-climberchick. But to have a routine of working out in any fashion is a must, I climb, ride, run, lift....she should do something too, to keep in interesting...Or maybe I'm compulsive(she says) I'm new to this site......It Rocks!!
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heightachiever
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I think we lose the point in climbing. It's to better you, beat the odds. Woman or man, we're all different and have different obstacles. If I'm 200 lbs and can only climb 10 feet, hear me roar because that is my best. Climbing is a you on you struggle, but if anyone wants to make it a you and me issue then I can be found. No press please, too embarassing for yous
JD
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eastindiandude
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I think women will not like a guy who climbs worse than them. I see no reason why both persons in a relationship must climb.
Beautiful body: Firstly, beauty is personal- so tastes vary.
But in general:
Men like slender women with body fat % above 15-18%. So if you put on muscle and drop to below 15, you SHOW too much muscle. On the other hand date a 12% BF woman, marry her, make babies, even if she puts on weight she is still way sexy. (I am going to be killed for this- but who cares!)
So female climbers who have dropped below 15 will look muscular(undesirable to some) in a sportsbra- but they will look damn good in a sleeveless evening dress. So climbing will improve your appearance, as will more muscle. As long as you dont put on way too much muscle(15 pounds or so) AND be below 15% body fat- you will look good. Putting on 15 pounds is hard even for men. So it is even harder for women- when done naturally without steroids.
I see these women in my gym, gyrating for better legs- if they leg pressed a decent amount- they would get better looking legs.
Even if women lift weights 90% of them avoid leg exercises. This is so sad- considering they are doing it for better shape.
More muscle= more beauty
To look ripped for a woman = you must be body fat below 15% and have a lot of muscle.
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rockwomyn
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Thanks for our requirements.....i'm heading out tonight to have my body fat % tatooed on my forehead so even if i have a great body and great personality i won't hook up with anyone who requires the use of numbers in their process of judging people.
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Well guys!
I think this topic has given far too much controversy! I'm not surprised though. I started climbing just two or three months ago so i can't say that my body is built of climbing but i've always been very sportive (athletics, soccer..). By that i mean that i've always had to hear guy's comments such as: "wow...how much muscle u've got! it's amazing..."
I've always been disapointed by such comments! I think that there are lots of guys (at least here) who disapprove built girls as they think it's manly. I do hate that word but it's how many guys describe these girls who have their body well built just cos they enjoy practising sport! What's wrong with that?
Sorry but i strongly hate these sexist comments! Guys (fortunately not all of you!) don't u think it's about time u stopped putting pressure on us? Top models, skinny gals...no muscle...come on! I'm fed up!
Girls...if u like sport...go for it! No matter what they tell u...
Just my opinion...
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Interesting observation Mr. Dude:
And while I respect your opinion…I feel the desire to offer my opinion as well.
My attraction to women, as you’ll notice from my previous post] , does not necessitate a particular “body-type†nor is it confined to a sliding scale of one’s Body Mass Index.
I live in beautiful southern California; which is to say that there is absolutely no shortage of what you might deem as beautiful* people. This has lent itself to making me much more aware of the attributes of others that go much further than their perceived appearance. (I use the term “perceived†to emphasize that it is only one’s personal perception…not necessarily reality…that attracts one to another and therefore has been the cause of many very short relationships.) I feel that this has opened my eyes to beauty not captured by a photographer’s camera…or a magazine editor’s layout. It goes much deeper than that.
And if you haven’t already, I hope that you too will learn to appreciate the inner beauty…the core.
Peace
-Hanger
*(Based on the criteria that you’ve listed as the general guidelines for males to find the female body attractive.)
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missedyno
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this is too funny... i never knew this thread would spark such controversy!
i'm glad to be surrounded (on rc.com anyway) by great people who just love to climb...
i'm getting all ver klempt... talk amongst yourselves...
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Hey Dude,
I know I've got to be above 18% body fat, but I still have guys telling me I'm ripped. What gives?
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missedyno
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oh yeah, i just had my fitness test at my (non-climbing) gym and i'm 20% body fat. 15% is a looooooooooong ways off for me....
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needtolearnhowtoclimb
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Alot of the girls that i have seem that climb tend to be pretty good looking and at least they arent wasting their time going to beuty parlors and stuff like that. And Doesnt climbing biuld muscle anyways? But i only 3 girls that climb so...
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iclimbtoo
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Stephanie Forte. Beth Rodden. Brandi Mulligan. Roxanna Brock. Tiffany Campbell. All really hot. All could kick my ass three times up and down any route that I could attempt. I don't care. 1) If you are a chick, and into climbing, way cool. 2)If you're better than I am, I think that's cool too. I need SOMEONE to challenge me...my partner doesn't do a very good job of it anymore. No, I don't dig climber chick because I want a girlfriend who climbs (although a BIG+ ), I like chick climbers because I like girls and I like climbing. Put two and two together...what could be better??
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I really dig chicks that climb.I find it really cool.There is this one chick at the gym that I go to....she is like way better then any other chicks that climb there.Shes right up there in skill with the guys.She is unbelieveable.I say to all the girls out there.Climb if you want too.Some guys....(me for one) like girls that climb.So what are you waiting for???Get out there and CLIMB!!!
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May 3, 2002, 10:54 AM
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I've been climbing with Stigonrock for the past two weeks or so- she floats past my crash & burn spots, man. I'm not intimidated- I'm inspired by her ability, and happy for her, as I am for any of my friends when they do something cool! She is a little intimidated by me, though- I took a 25 footer last weekend, and she got rocketed into the wall- ouch! Sorry, Stig!
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Jeezie Louizee people! I kinda browed thru all thet replies, and it seems to me like we need to add anyther folder under "classifieds" for all those single guys looking for climbing chicks out there...all you guys got kinda excited talking about us burli girli's...what do ya say gals? should we start a "personals" section here?
I myself am a quote "burli girli" and I PRIDE myself on this fact. HELL YEA I can take a piss in the woods HELL YA I like a little dirt under my nails and when I see all those "prissi sissi" girls out there, I laugh...they are so caught up in materialistic things it cracks me up!!! I'm glad that they are all in the malls getting their nails done...less gumbie wanabies near the crags.
BURLI GIRLIES UNITE!!!!
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missedyno
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well, i'm a "non sissy" girl, but that still frightened me ever so slightly....
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I agree with iclimbtoo,
climbing+chix=great thing ya know why its so great,besides the fact that girls that climb generaly feel better and have less hangups about themselves,generally have hot well toned bodies,and are just generally kool for climbing. Well its because they dont bitch about the time you spend doing ur other favorite thing. Thanks that is alll!!!!!!!
Mike
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I think this is the first long thread that I've read from start to finish. Got a lotta' laughs which is driving the night-shift crew here in ER crazy. Tell ya' what, I'm in love with Nikegirl after reading her post on page 1. I mean, anyone that intelligent and a climber too!! man, she's gotta' be a megababe. You ever think about publishing some of your work in Climbing mag?
Same goes for you crazylikeafawkes; some of your posts gave me goosebumps & some cracked me up.
Either of you make it to Devil's Tower let me know...I'd be proud to have either one of you kick my old butt all the way up it. In my next lifetime, I want to marry you both!
Really, girls, your looks aren't as important as all that. OK, that's stretching the truth a little. But it's your attitude and how you carry it. If you're trying to prove that you're better on the rock so you can feel superior, you're way ugly, no matter that you look like a super model or a trophy wife.
But if you're enjoying life and have a good sense of humor and don't feel like you need to compete with me to prove something, I'd be happy to admire your style from my shady belay spot. And climbing with a better climber always inspires me to push myself.
All that being said, I married a pretty one that couldn't climb a ladder!
The only trouble with climbing chicks is the shortage of 'em here in small-town Wyoming plus the fact that most are young enough to be my daughters. Though I did meet some grandma/grandpa climbers in England & in Belgium, it doesn't seem to be as accepted a sport for the older American couch potatoes.
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i think i can tell you where that line is.
remember that women are really not ungly but when you are overly buff there there is a problem
take the test (women) You might be buff if;
> You wear tank tops because your arms don't fit in the sleaves of the shirt sive that fits your body.
> Your neck does not go in when you flex.
> you can mannage off widths by stuffing in your bicept and flexing it
> You've ever been asked if you are a body builder by proffesion.
> If you have ever considered going to a Body building contest with a hope of winning.
The following are habits to look for;
> If your voice is deeper than your boy friend's
> If you can walk a doberman(sp) on a short leash through a room full of cats, with out any trouble
> If you drive a really big honking truck and it doesn't look odd or ironic.
and finally> If your Nick Name is The Soviet House Wife (no offence to Russians, its just that there are some BIG STRONG Russian women out there)
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iclimbtoo
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Amen Foograbbinstone!!! Right on!
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eastindiandude
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People:
I just described what a general theory of beautiful woman is. I am not endorsing the mall rats with painted nails, ignoring inner beauty and so on.
To those who meausered body fat at a gym: your estimate might be completely wrong.
Most gyms measure body fat by measuring body fat at 3 points or 2 points. For a tri-athlete, climber, swimmer this may overestimate fat significantly. Reason: You may have a lot less fat in your pecs, thighs and calves. (the points missed in the 2 point fat test. )
So go get calipers and measure body fat at 7 points as in :
http://weightrainer.virtualave.net/index.html
If after the 7 point test, you are a woman at 20% and people find you ripped in a sleeveless T-shirt/skirt- report to me. I will revise my theories.
Seriously, there are models who are at 20% and can curl around 60 pound barbell- and they still look very attractive.
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moonshine
May 6, 2002, 11:52 PM
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I wish I climbed like a "girl"- in balance, not powering everything, using my feet way better.
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Hey K.A., not to brag or anything, but I'm at about 12% right now, (the lowest I'v been was 11.5) and I can curl much more than 60 lbs...and I'm not "too muscular"...you be the judge...
I think that body fat percentages can be a good means of measuring fitness for some women...but then, there are those women out there that can be 10 x the athleet at 25 + compared to a woman at 12 or 15%...trust me, I know a few who can blaze past me in a triathalon EASILLY...its all genetics
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To me the line between tone and "manley" is very defined. Muscle is a good thing on a woman, especially when its toned. As long as she's not so tone she looks anorexic it can very sexy.
Now, when you get to the other extreme, it gets scary. If a woman is muscular and tone and looks larger than a lot of men, then it gets to be sick and not very attractive.
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Different people like different things, and that's good for me. I personally find attractive many different kinds of women. It makes no sense to me to tell then what they should do with their body. My experience is that you can create rules or canons of beauty, but then you find someone that doesn't fit on those rules and she steals your heart.
If we all looked the same it would be quite boring. Don't you think?
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pusherem
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my aunt can kick my ass
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bcmtngrrrl
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I kicked my grandma's ass one time...well she deserved it. Oops, totally off topic, eh?
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Nikegirl is married???? Bummer...
The only muscle that matters is the heart. The rest is just window dressing.
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lilred
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Danny, you ROCK!
I wish more guys out there saw us in that light!
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Thanks Lilred (you a redhead too?)
It was easier to accept the importance of one's spirit when I noticed my own expanding waist line.
My climbing partner and I might be in the Denver area in mid Sept. Interested in doing some climbing with us?
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Nothing defines it. It is the work of men insecure in their sexuality and place in life. Most women I know that climb are very tone or even "ripped". Now, I prefer a "smooth" body line in a woman, but it is par for the course when climbing. If you committ to serious climbing, then a person's body will trim and tone. If a woman is very small to begin with, speaking specifically of very small muscles, then she will gain some mass from the constant use of lifting her own body weight. However, the mass building will stop when it is sufficient enough to carry the "weight load" during said activity.
Men having a problem with a woman being toned, more toned, a better climber, or some or all of the above need to lose the ego, or stop worrying that their penis size isn't adequate. Whatever the reason may be, the guy needs to get over it.
The fact of life is this. Men are generally the "stronger" (physically) gender. This is the way we are built. We need to lose that part of our maculinity, the ego, and get a life. Many men have problems when a woman exceeds his ability in, well, anything. Only insecure men suffer from this. I think we all go through it in adolescence, I know I did, but it is the immature that carry it on beyond their teens.
I feel comfortable in saying that all the women climbers I know can climb rings around me. I don't care. I support them, they support me. What is really the big deal.
If there is a guy still sitting there that is reading this and still has a problem with a girl, frankly, kicking his ass in something, then too damn bad. Your penis can't be that small.
I say support our "fairer" sex companions. If they climb better, so be it. If they are smarter, so be it. Whatever the one, or many, things they may excel at better than the guy, so be it. We are all different and we all have different strengths and weaknesses. This is the wonderful thing about all of us.
Steve
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Single, white, male looking for love on the rocks. Enjoy long walks through the woods (or anywhere else that leads to the rock), movies about rocks, and quiet dinners of Ramin and hot dogs. Seeking woman of similar interests that wants to "hang out" and possibly more.
Ok, actually I'm not single but this seemed appropriate after all the hormones in this thread (Estrogen and Testosterone).
Of course girls that climb are hot to guys that climb. That's nature. That is the very reason that there are so many types of people in the world. We are naturally attracted to those that are similar to us in ways. Social Dynamics is the term that would best describe this.
T is married? Oh, where is a window to jump out of. I guess my wife can rest easy now.
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Well I think its awesome that you guys think it cool that you like women with muscle, last time I checked, my climbing parthers aren't intimated by me climbing (both guys)with them... I'm sure they enjoy the view
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They should be afraid of us, be very afraid ...
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If only I can find a female climber to climb with my big fat ugly sorry ass it will be nice….and they think that Im puritan….oh the shame….
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Oh A-m-b-e-r-r-r.....
Bring IT!!!
(hee hee hee)
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/me ninja chops hangerless, hacky-style ..
"Take That ... aaaannnnddd that!"
*sigh* .. if only they had a hacky smilie ...
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LOL!!!
Have you so quickly forgotten...I've seen you "play" hackysack!
/me invisions Amber swinging her feet and hands aimlessly into the air while screaming as the hacky enters her personal space of 25 feet
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Wish I'd have seen this thread sooner... oh well...
Quote:Also if a chick climbs a wall, I would expect her to be a little beefy. It takes more than 90 pounds to fight the pig all day
Two words: LYNN HILL
xgretax: I like the way you think! Rant on girl!
crackaddict: I beat you up, do I not? And oh yessss, you LIKE it! *THWACK*
In my layperson's opinion, I think the average, non-climbing guy is, if not put off by, then at least confused by, the sleek strength of the chick climber. Climber guys, methinks, know what's up. They see a shared passion in those muscles. Strong and independent of body and mind, that is the chick climber!
(well, this is my optimistic idea!)
I am a small girl, but in my heart I'm big.
I weigh 100 pounds, but I ain't no "twig."
I am strong, I am proud, I will say it loud:
"I like how I look! I like how I climb!
And if you don't agree, don't waste my time!"
HEAR ME ROAR!
~Hillary
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OK, that inspired me to the point of tears. Sniff Sniff. GO girl
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I learned to climb from my girlfriend. Woman not having the upper body strength like guys do, makes them climb with there feet lots more. Taught me alot. I love female climbers, there ripped and in shape and I dont mind getting out climbed at all, they can lead all they want, the view is awesome from down here I have never seen and out of shape female climber, one of reasons I love the sport so much......love those tight little tops and skin tight bottoms they wear!......damn, let them get ripped and lead on.......nothing like rock chicks...... B
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Yeah! Dating a stronger (female) climber must be cool! She leads the hard routes for you! And you don't have to be looking at your male partner bottom when belaying...
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Nicely stated, Hillary!
Quote:Climber guys, methinks, know what's up. They see a shared passion in those muscles. Strong and independent of body and mind, that is the chick climber!
(well, this is my optimistic idea!)
I agree whole-heartedly. Let's just say we share that optimism (I'll leave the word-artistry to you).
Climber chicks rock! (and so do climber guys )
Oh yeah... interruptor, I like your attitude too…
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REALLY?
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Hillary,
You go girl!!
We rock
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This is still going? Hey! Men and women are equals! End of story!
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I think its cool what everyone is saying. I think the same goes with guys. Most people get intimidated by a muscular guy. Personally I think its cool that guys care about their health and stuff. Climbing is a great way to keep in shape and help you stay healthy. If you build muscles from it hey cool all the better. I'm sure everyone has benifited from climbing in some sort of way. Me personally it got rid of my asthma and helps me stay in shape and relief stress and building muscles is another part. I'm a small person I'm only 5 feet tall and about 115 pounds a good deal of it is muscle. I've been climbing for about 4 years now i'm not very good just basically climb because i love it. I surprise alot of people with my strength i don't ry to show of or anything but i'm not going to pretend to be weak either. I think that no one should be ashamed of how they look or anything. Scrawny tall short etc. does not matter with who you are. I would be happy to climb with anyone no matter how much better of a climber you are we all can learn from the best and the worse of climbers.
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climbing has for sure, helped me with my asthma, too. Weird to say: (knock on wood) that I have not had to be medicated for the first time in years!!! And my stress induced asthma, is also completly under control. Fit, yes. Climbing does that for sure. Breathing for sure. Strength. YEP.
Love it all. Muscles, health...life.
Climbing is a way of life for me.
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ha ha, i can't believe that this topic i started on a whim has generated such response!
time to spill some estrogen on this one...
yeah, i'm a chick. yeah, i guess i'm strong. i mean, that isn't important, it's that i love to climb, but since this is about strong females, then i have to say once more that i'm thrilled with the response to this thread. i've come to realize that the people/comments that generated this topic are very shallow.
i'm comfortable with myself, and i love climbing. could life be better?
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Nonclimbing guys think it will be great to spend an afternoon at the rock gym with their "climber-girl date". I've learned my lesson there.... three times. They are stuck on a training wall and when we finally go where I want to climb, they're too tired to belay. I have vowed to never again date a guy I can beat in an arm wrestle match-- and I don't plan to stop climbing or doing gymnastics anytime soon!
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I'm a girl that practice rockclimbing, and i climb more than some guys but less than others, and i only hear that in my country: " all women when climb look so good"
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T- it HELPS you with your asthma?
I have excercise induced asthma and I breathe pretty hard on routes when I'm concenrating, so a day afterward, my chest huuuuuurts.
On a side note, how about chicks being intimidated by better chicks. My one friend cannot be separated from his fiance' for long, and takes her with him climbing. But although she has shoes and a harness and everything, i never see her climb.
My one friend tells me it's because she doesn't like climbing when I'm around because I'm better than her. Say WHAT???
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Quote:
Nonclimbing guys think it will be great to spend an afternoon at the rock gym with their "climber-girl date". I've learned my lesson there.... three times. They are stuck on a training wall and when we finally go where I want to climb, they're too tired to belay. I have vowed to never again date a guy I can beat in an arm wrestle match-- and I don't plan to stop climbing or doing gymnastics anytime soon!
If I was to keep with climbing girls only, i'dd be doomed! And you better not date anyone that practices some activity where you're not as confortable as in climbing. You might be a very boring date for them...
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Mac.: some girls just have fragile "male" egos too. (hehe, you don't really have to be a guy to have a "male ego" )
I, for one, haven't yet been intimidated by being around a rockin' female climber! at least not on account of her being a girl. if somebody gets all cocky and spray-daddy (or momma!) and creates a hostile environment, guy or gal, that's when I get intimidated... or at least not so stoked to be climbing with 'em but generally, watching another girl tear it up gets me in a mildly cheesy, but sincere, "you go girl!" mode I'd love to climb with Lynn Hill or Lisa Rands, they could give some wicked pointers to this lil' amateur
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only if she is super hot, but then again most men are intimidated by any superhot lady
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my 2 cents.
I don't think it has anything to do with being male or female. I think it boils down to personality. Most climbers are exposed to strong people on a regular basis. If you are used to and familiar with something then it doesn't intimidate you. The intimidation comes from something you haven't seen before and don't understand.
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My opinion on this topic, is that I have a female friend who is my climbing partner, she is built like Lynn Hill I'm not intimidated by her muscle but I am intimitated by her technique. And yes there are times when I wish she was my girl but friends is fine by me. So guys don't get jealous.
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my climbing partner, even for alpine and ice climbing, is a girl...
i am not very much stronger than she is... and i like that, how can you otherwise always go climbing together?
PS: we are both from brussels... you all tought jean claude vandamme is the musscles from brussels ... wait till you see us !!!
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just my 2 cents, I would expect a female climber of equal age, and time spent climbing, to be better than me. I think that women are generaly more diciplined than guys and so progress is made much faster.
It's just what i expect, so it doesn't suprise me or intimidate me.
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All male climbers that I know are turned on by women who climb hard. Muscular climber chics rock.
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I have the very real problem of falling in love with every beautifully sculpted angel who can outclimb me.
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I climb in a gym of a female to male ratio of about 1 to 10. I've found that climbing with my group made up of guys (me being the only female) I've been pushed harder than ever on the wall. I've never got the impression that the guys have felt threatened or whatever, they're the best support I've ever had. They are the ones that are constantly telling me how good I look on the wall, and pushing me further and further.
Having never dated a climber until recently, I've discovered how awsome it is to date someone who totally understands the passion for the rock. I push him hard, and he pushes me hard on the rock... it just get's him a bit upset when I'm having a fab day and pushing my limit harder than him. But then I get frustrated when anyone is climbing harder than me, be it female or male... I hate being beaten, so it motivates me.
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I wouldn't say that I'm intimidated by woman who are better than I, they have worked hard and gotten to where they are by their own accord. My hat goes off to all those weman out there that are good climbers and if I meet some of you some day I hope that you can teach me something of value. I like when a girl can beat me in something, b/c it doesn't ever happen and I'd like a change every now and then.
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Hmmmm.... Im pretty young (18) and Ive been climbing since 13. I was brought up in a very conservative household (Im Swiss and Korean), and I still am extremely conservative. I should clarify that when I say conservative I mean in terms of gender roles and family, etc. (although yes, I am Republican). Anyways, when I see a very muscular chick it doesnt intimidate me, it just seems a bit wierd to me. Because of the upbringing ive had and because of how my culture has influenced my ideas on beauty, I dont really warm up to them at first. I respect their climbing though, and agree that they do some awesome stuff, however I do not find the overly muscular women good looking at all.
Hah, i guess i should put down though, that climbing can have some wonderful toning effects on the female physique.
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intimidated. more like repulsed.
no one wants to boink their genetic superior.
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Mar 17, 2006, 7:05 AM
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this thread's dumb
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grk10vq
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In reply to: this thread's dumb
i wish i had four hands...
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climbsomething
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WOW was I cheesy 4 years ago!
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octarine
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Just because this thread got bumped...
Since I started climbing, I notice I'll check out a girl and think, "Woah, nice back!"
I'm checking out female backs now?! There's something I never saw coming.
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octarine
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Just because this thread got bumped...
Since I started climbing, I notice I'll check out a girl and think, "Woah, nice back!"
I'm checking out female backs now?! There's something I never saw coming.
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because this thread is back from a 4 year sleep...
something a climber boy told me...
'yeah, I totally want a climber chick! Unless she pulls harder than me. She's better than me, then it's totally over'.
:shock:
sweet kid, but what a tool.
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nuts_r_us
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In reply to: WOW was I cheesy 4 years ago!
Man, I had to go through like 9 pages to see just how cheesy!
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yanqui
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In reply to: intimidated. more like repulsed. no one wants to boink their genetic superior.
Doesn't that leave the field a bit restricted in your case?
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reg
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i can't remember seeing a female climber that i didn't,,,,well,,,,like. :wink: i am not in the least intimidated by strong female climbers - to the contrary - i applaud them! who would you rather be on the rock with when stuff goes south? or in the "outback" when you get into trouble? i want someone who can help me - maybe carry me or my gear - whatever! i refer to my wife as "packable" cause i can throw a pack on her and we head out! i applaud the not so strong female climbers as well! hey,,,, after all we're all just good folk havin a good time, Right? but i still love to see women climbing. i esp. like to be the belayer! 8^)
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I am a visual person. . .I wish you would post picts so I could judge on a case by case basis!
But seriously if you are not challenged by hanging out with people that are better than you(male or female) then you already have a problem and getting a girlfriend isn't going to help! I like people that challenge me. . .and if they are hot. . .more the better!
I love RC.com especially the hilarious posts!
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I gots a few things to say...
Guys who are intimidated by strong(er) chick climbers are weiners.
Cut climber chicks are hot.
The end.
p.s. My wife is a small climber chick (5'3" 120) who can campus and beat up most guys.
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bastien
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Any male who is intimidated by a strong woman has weak sperm and will give you ugly babies with 6 fingers on one hand. Avoid breeding with them at all costs.
Strong women rock. Nuff said.
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In reply to: Any male who is intimidated by a strong woman has weak sperm and will give you ugly babies with 6 fingers on one hand. Avoid breeding with them at all costs.
that was awesome. :lol:
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grk10vq
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In reply to: I gots a few things to say... Guys who are intimidated by strong(er) chick climbers are weiners. Cut climber chicks are hot. The end. p.s. My wife is a small climber chick (5'3" 120) who can campus and beat up most guys.
p.s. grow some balls.
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mikej
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In reply to: grk10vq Posted: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mikej wrote: I gots a few things to say... Guys who are intimidated by strong(er) chick climbers are weiners. Cut climber chicks are hot. The end. p.s. My wife is a small climber chick (5'3" 120) who can campus and beat up most guys. p.s. grow some balls.
So... a weiner eh? Intimidated by women cause you're not masculine enough? :lol: he he he, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! oh, back to the point.
I didn't say she could beat me up, just most guys. I used to wrestle and she (including other climber guys) puts up more fight than anyone I've wrestled, minus a couple of dudes years ago. I still can beat her, but at the cost of a bloody nose from being head butted <---- not legal in freestyle. My other buds either lose or run away. Not many good looking women can claim that.
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last fall i was dating the man of my dreams. he was primarily a kayaker, but was more recently getting into climbing. we spent blissful sunny afternoons at local crags; he had natural skill and was getting better by the day.
then one weekend we went to the gunks. i was on my game and climbed really hard. he couldn't do many of the routes i did, but ran up tons of climbs in his skill range. back at camp slime each night we relaxed by the fire and roasted corn on the cob and collapsed in the tent. i'd though the weekend couldn't have gone better and was more in love than ever.
when we got back to school that sunday, he dumped me. i was dumbfounded, confused, shocked. i felt like he had shot me.
was it that i outclimbed him? i may never know. so in response to whoever asked if women would climb with men who were new/not-great climbers, YES. that in itself does not matter to me at all. if i gravitate towards better climbers as partners, it is because they tend to push me harder to succeed - i don't mind a newbie if they persist and love it! especially if i am in love with them (sigh :roll: ).
in terms of dating, one of my two best friends from home, eric, has forbidden me from dating non-climbers. i agree with him - my passion for climbing deserves a match in my man.
i am greatly encouraged and warmed by the support many of you men have posted on this thread for strong climber chicks. hope to see you at the crag.
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Most of my climbing partners have been women. Very few have been stronger climbers, but I'm always hopeful that they will improve. I can't think of anything better than having a female climbing partner that I have to try and keep up with or that would be willing to lead something harder for me to second. Intimidated, no. Enticed would be a better word.
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Mar 28, 2006, 9:33 PM
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there are strong female climbers? where?
hook me up.
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In reply to: there are strong female climbers? where? hook me up.
Hook you up for an ass 'whooping, from the sound of it.
Yes, jack@$$ there are lots of strong female climbers.
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In reply to: Hook you up for an ass 'whooping, from the sound of it. Yes, jack@$$ there are lots of strong female climbers.
hey baby... how YOU doing? :wink:
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Man I can believe I'm adding to the spray of this thread. However just getting done with a clinic from Vera Schulte-Pelkum. I can see why some men are intimidated.
Men usually try to do a million pull ups and power their way up the routes, where as women usually do not rely on strength to make it up. They think and use their feet more so than men. This was very apparent to me in Vera's clinic. By the way Dr. Vera is not only an excellent climber but a great teacher and down right good person.
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EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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weschrist
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don't be intimidated....
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octarine
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Touche.
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Wow, one of the great thread revivals of all time. Good job.
I miss climbing with my female 5.13 /14 red pointing partners. They rocked! And they still do, but I live far away and can't climb with them any more.
Ah, the good old days.
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in my personal opinion, even in life, if a female is more dominating, successful, what have you, it's really inspiring. UNLESS, this person's acheivements threaten my general state of laziness.
that's when i feel intimidated. i'm rather comfy in my 'comfort zone'. but if prodded -- even unintentionally -- then i view the person differently, more as a supervisor/subordinate relationship, rather than a friend, or even girlfriend.
did that make sense?
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In reply to: did that make sense?
no.
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really? english... bah! i can't even speak it and it's the only language i know.
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canadians... pfft...
no, seriously, I like Canadians... except Scott, he's a dick.
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I had never dated any girls that liked to climb. But about a month ago I just started dating a girl thats awesome at climbing. She is really strong and just looks good when she climbs. She is an all around great girl. The best thing about strong female climbers is they usually love to camp. There is nothing better than climbing, camping and hiking with the girls you love...good time...
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Goddamn there are some gutless cowards on this board.
And I'm one of them.
(this thread, back from the dead)
Why am I a gutless coward?
A myriad of reasons, most of which are beyond the scope of this RFI.
But yes, let me be the first in 4 years and umpteen pages to admit that
Yes, I am intimidated by very strong female climbers.
Please, allow me to qualify.
I couldn't care less if a super strong woman walks by me and hikes the route free solo that I just aided. I would likely stand beneath her and gape in awe and not a little attraction.
That aspect of a strong woman climber is not intimidating to me, its an attraction (as most of the boys have pointed out).
Its the prospect of roping to a super strong woman I find intimidating.
Why? Fear of failure of course. Fear of not being able to pull the grade.
Hackles raised yet? STFU and let me continue!
I don't mean, fear of not being able to keep up or compete with a woman. NO!
Its a fear, in my case deep seated, of simply not being able to climb something difficult and being left in a position completely out of my control.
More hackles raised I predict. Comb those neck hairs down and chill out.
Again, its not about a subservient role to a female partner that produces this unease in me. I don't need to control those around me and am in fact not the sort to even try. Its not about being in charge or being the boss.
Its this deep seated fear I have, that my mouth will write a check my ass can't cash. To borrow a Bizkit.
Fear not ladies, I am equally intimidated by really strong male climbers, for the exact same reason. I fear they will misjudge my abilities and get me on something I can't handle. In terms of climbing control, I do NOT like to be in a position where I cannot control my own destiny.
Additionally, I feel it is not a good idea to always be the second to a mentor, or to always get drug up the hard pitches.
To put it in stark terms, I'd rather swing leads on Nutcracker with my punter friends than be drug by hook or by crook up Astroman, or what have you. If I don't believe I can hold my own and swing leads and contribute to the lead of the climb, then generally speaking I shy away from such adventures.
Honestly, the hardest grade routes I've ever managed, aside from single pitch sport routes, has been at the hands of a better climber, in a lot of cases MUCH better climbers. For some of these routes, I could not have done them on my own.
In my own mind, I have difficulty counting those routes a personal success. Oh sure, I may have enjoyed them, and I may mention some of them. But my internal bullshit guage doesn't count being drug up some route beyond my abilities as a tick on the old lipstick case.
I've had my ass handed to me in the past for writing these ideas. I'm interested in gut responses to what I have described.
As a benchmark, the first 5 or 6 walls I did were partnered with an equal. To me and my mindset, I earned those routes. So did my partner. We didn't hitch our wagon to a star, or pay our way up some climb. We did it the old fashioned way.
All that said, I still climb with my betters. But I am very selective about what I'll try and I don't mind saying at the start, sure, I'll do it but you're the woman (or man) on this project. Every time I tie in with Brutus of Wyde I feel compelled to say that. People who head up 11 inch overhanging cracks on FIRST ASCENTS, well... they have a special kind of madness. I don't have that.
So yeah, strong women climbers intimidate the hell out of me.
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weschrist
Mar 30, 2006, 1:21 AM
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In reply to: would likely stand beneath her and gape in awe and not a little attraction.
I'm guessing your "attraction" is slightly below the 7" average.
In reply to: Its the prospect of roping to a super strong woman I find intimidating. Hackles raised yet?
That ain't all... once ropes are involved nature takes over...
In reply to: In terms of climbing control, I do NOT like to be in a position where I cannot control my own destiny.
sounds like you have trust issues. and btw, destiny, by definition, cannot be controlled.
In reply to: If I don't believe I can hold my own and swing leads and contribute to the lead of the climb, then generally speaking I shy away from such adventures.
way to embrase the adventurous spirit of the sport. Dingus, taking life by the throat... no wait, by the shoulders... no wait, Dingus, softly tapping life on the shoulder and begging its pardon...
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Mar 30, 2006, 1:39 AM
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What's embrase? I'm not familiar with french.
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weschrist
Mar 30, 2006, 1:46 AM
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it is French for "a typo that will cause stupid Amerikans much confuzion because they lack the cognitive ability to understand the ephemeral and unstructured nature of communication in the information age and cling to meaningless rules for marginal satisfaction in thier otherwise drab lives..."
At least that is the best translation I can come up with.
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Mar 30, 2006, 3:13 AM
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In reply to: it is French for "a typo that will cause stupid Amerikans much confuzion because they lack the cognitive ability to understand the ephemeral and unstructured nature of communication in the information age and cling to meaningless rules for marginal satisfaction in thier otherwise drab lives..." At least that is the best translation I can come up with.
yes itz all qyte predicktible
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Mar 30, 2006, 3:19 AM
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I'm only inteimidated by the strong female climbers who threaten to break my little stick arms, LOL, and there is at least one of those out there.
I hope I never meet her in a dark alley!!!
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Mar 30, 2006, 4:09 AM
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Dingus-
I know what you mean about a comfort zone.
I also gravitate toward climbing with people who are my equals. Or who I can tell myself are my equals anyway.
On the one hand I tell myself that I'm hanging out with people at my level and not slowing anybody down, but deep down there's a smidgen of self-centered fear that I'll get my ass handed to me over a safety issue (or worse for just being an all around wuss).
I met a person recently who has climbed weekly with a climbing mentor for more than a year, and while I was envious of the experiences the person must have had, I couldn't picture myself in the same situation at all.
Count me among the gutless cowards onsighting well-traveled 5.6's!
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Mar 30, 2006, 5:06 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: If I don't believe I can hold my own and swing leads and contribute to the lead of the climb, then generally speaking I shy away from such adventures. way to embrase the adventurous spirit of the sport. Dingus, taking life by the throat... no wait, by the shoulders... no wait, Dingus, softly tapping life on the shoulder and begging its pardon...
Huh? Because he likes to do climbs where he's part of the adventure, rather than just being guided up shit that's over his head? I don't think you understood his post, Wes. If your understanding of the "adventurous spirit" of the sport is being coddled up stuff you could never do by your own blood, sweat, and tears - no thanks. I like climbing with stronger partners sometimes, but there's got to be a tradeoff.
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In reply to: I'm only inteimidated by the strong female climbers who threaten to break my little stick arms, LOL, and there is at least one of those out there. I hope I never meet her in a dark alley!!!
Send me. I'll meet her for you. I've a fiva'
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In reply to: Because he likes to do climbs where he's part of the adventure, rather than just being guided up s--- that's over his head?
I thought that was how everyone does it?
Shit, am I going to have to change my 8a.nu scorecard?
In reply to: If your understanding of the "adventurous spirit" of the sport is being coddled up stuff you could never do by your own ....
I have no idea what you are talking about... negativity is not my native language. You got to keep et posateeev mahn...
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Me and my mates have climbed with partners at a variety of levels. Male and female, we may be in awe but not intimidated; our abilities may be pushed, but we all love the challenge. Transient climbing associates who are intimidated by better climbers don't last long as partners, cuz the rest of us are climbing for the joy of being on rock and don't have time to devolve that side of our egos.
I think that both male and female climbers moving over rock offer the best viewing of the human body at its best - functional, coordinated, toned, balanced - athletes in the truest sense, and I don't say that just cuz I are one.
Intimidated? No way.
Impressed, motivated, awed? You bet.
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