Ha! On my fourth or fifth one - they're the only rope I'll do anything really hairball on. Hell, on a few occasions I've even used them a half ropes.

I still have one of those. After 6 years, the sheath is barely fuzzy. I haven't used it as hard as my 9.9 (which I just replaced after 18 months), but that's only because the Mammut 60m "10.2mm" rope weighed more than the 70m 9.9m from edelweiss. Its bombproof and definitely worth using when the approach is short.

4) any cam by Hugh Banner. God rest his soul.

I have to disagree with you. I love my HB Quadcams. The trigger is rather annoying, but I place the tiny little red one with the brass lobes on almost every pitch.

I bought the supersafe too. It doesn't get fuzzy but it gets thick, stiff and becomes unusable in an atc guide and a pain to use in a gri gri. Mine didn't even have a good middle marking. As far as I can tell the only thing it has going for it is the fact that it passes some discredited sharp edge test and has the best name in the history of climbing ropes.

I guess it is an okay rope if you like climbing on thick ropes but I think most of its perceived safeness is marketing hype and that is lame.

2) PAS. Enough said.

They don't get fuzzy or fat or stiff from my experience. They are fat and they are stiff when you buy them - two characteristics I like for my application. As for the sharp edge test - yeah, it's not the best test, but it does provide some data and I prefer that to no data. The Supersafe's wear performance so outstrips any other rope I've owned that there essentially isn't a runner up of note. I attribute that to the combination of sheath %, weave, and coating technology. That same combination, and particularly the coating technology, probably provide edge protection that is as good as is possible.

I've never had the slightest problem belaying with it in a grigri or reverso. I would suggest folks are now officially 'spoiled' by smaller rope diameters - that the feel of very flexible, sub-10mm ropes in grigris has now both set the collective expectation of 'feel' when belaying - and possibly leading to diminished tolerance and skill in rope handling as well as upping the drop rate. I also climb extensively over lots of existing routes on 9.8 and 9.9's, but again, doing FA's on sharp terrain? Those nasty Supersafes are going to be the only thing you'll ever find me tied in with.

The 0.3 and 0.4 C4/Camalots. Way too wide and there are much better cams at that size.

Mammut ropes...it is my understanding they measure them while they are weighted. That's why they are "thicker" than all the other ropes of similar sizes on the market.

You did miss something. There have been two Link Cam failures, I'm assuming you know about the one at Jtree (Left Ski Track), there was also one at Smith. Both total link coupling failure due to placements in constrained pods as you mention. OP's handling of both events was ok (I think the cams should be recalled) but they now advise that links not be used in situations where their rotation is constrained.

The thing is, the majority of falls I have taken on cams have been on placements in some kind of pod, pin scar or constraining slot. This kind of placement is quite common on thin routes on granite. I can think of lots of spots at my local crags where the only piece of gear protecting a mandatory runout is a link sized cam you wiggle into a placement ... other cams are beyond bomber in this situation (a .75 camalot in pod feels like a bolt to me), links break.

I think the only reason more links haven't broken and people haven't died is that most people leading 5.11 are too smart to trust their lives to such a piece of junk. I actually can't think of anyone who leads 5.11 regularly and has them on their rack.

Aliens on the other hand still get used, they crop up in BD adds and I've met climbers sponsored by other companies that keep a few hidden away. There is no denying that CCH has the worst quality control in the history of climbing gear but their design is brilliant, the OP design is flawed.

I'm not actually buying any new aliens but if you offered me a rack of free ones I'd test the hell out of em and climb on ones whose heads were still on.

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I own doubles of all 'em. Having used them extensively in the alpine and trad environment I can tell you that they are the shit. The purple and green are by far my most used pieces on my rack.
Most of the negative opinions I hear regarding the Link cam are from folks that don't even own one, who have used a single size maybe once or twice, or who are so stuck on how awesome their C4's are that they can't think beyond anything else.
You can do whatever you want, it's your rack. Just don't go spewing nonsense about how shitty they are or how they can't hold a fall when you've got next to no real world experience with them.

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I own doubles of all 'em. Having used them extensively in the alpine and trad environment I can tell you that they are the shit. The purple and green are by far my most used pieces on my rack.
Most of the negative opinions I hear regarding the Link cam are from folks that don't even own one, who have used a single size maybe once or twice, or who are so stuck on how awesome their C4's are that they can't think beyond anything else.
You can do whatever you want, it's your rack. Just don't go spewing nonsense about how shitty they are or how they can't hold a fall when you've got next to no real world experience with them.

I have to disagree with you. I love my HB Quadcams. The trigger is rather annoying, but I place the tiny little red one with the brass lobes on almost every pitch.

Why the PAS? I was always using a single dyneema runner for anchoring myself for cleaning and stuff. I actually just bought a PAS today. What's wrong with them? My buddy loves his, has had it for at least a year now.