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notapplicable
Oct 6, 2010, 6:56 PM
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carabiner96 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: jakedatc wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: rangerrob wrote: I've done Flyin' Hawaiin at Rumney, and I don't remember ever owning a stick clip. It's not impossible. I agree with anti stick clip guy on this one. He values his ethic that he needs to be able to confidently climb the entire route without the aid of an artificial long arm. It's sort of arbitrary, because the bolts are more or less arbitrarily placed, so the danger is arbitrary. I would use a stick clip if I felt I needed it, but I would admire someone much more who climbed routes that they were comfortable with on their own terms. The whole concept of a stick clip, and sport climbing in general is kind of absurd. You are manufacturing a route with whatever degree of danger you want to have in it. If it's okay to stick clip the first bolt, why not stick clip the second, or third? Why not leave the rope hanging from all but the chains? What's the difference? Aside from bolting on the lead, why would someone intentionally make a sport route dangerous to lead? That's what i don't get about sport climbing. When you're placing gear you are either good enough to place the gear or you're not. With a sport climb you can easily make the route safer by just adding a lower bolt, and spacing them closer together. It's a joke, a farce...something that is there for pure entertainment. Not something to REALLY push the limits of what you yourself find as acceptable risk, and how close you can push yourself to the edge while still being in control. RR quoted just because it is well said, and to remind people once again that the question was, in fact, posted in the trad forum. Then WHY did you put : stick clip gumbie because it's worthless idiot. Aww. Young love.
When I first saw the title to this thread I told myself, "Bryan, don't read that thread. Just don't fuckin do it."
And then I read it anyway. *facepalm*
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carabiner96
Oct 6, 2010, 7:17 PM
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notapplicable wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: jakedatc wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: rangerrob wrote: I've done Flyin' Hawaiin at Rumney, and I don't remember ever owning a stick clip. It's not impossible. I agree with anti stick clip guy on this one. He values his ethic that he needs to be able to confidently climb the entire route without the aid of an artificial long arm. It's sort of arbitrary, because the bolts are more or less arbitrarily placed, so the danger is arbitrary. I would use a stick clip if I felt I needed it, but I would admire someone much more who climbed routes that they were comfortable with on their own terms. The whole concept of a stick clip, and sport climbing in general is kind of absurd. You are manufacturing a route with whatever degree of danger you want to have in it. If it's okay to stick clip the first bolt, why not stick clip the second, or third? Why not leave the rope hanging from all but the chains? What's the difference? Aside from bolting on the lead, why would someone intentionally make a sport route dangerous to lead? That's what i don't get about sport climbing. When you're placing gear you are either good enough to place the gear or you're not. With a sport climb you can easily make the route safer by just adding a lower bolt, and spacing them closer together. It's a joke, a farce...something that is there for pure entertainment. Not something to REALLY push the limits of what you yourself find as acceptable risk, and how close you can push yourself to the edge while still being in control. RR quoted just because it is well said, and to remind people once again that the question was, in fact, posted in the trad forum. Then WHY did you put : stick clip gumbie because it's worthless idiot. Aww. Young love. When I first saw the title to this thread I told myself, "Bryan, don't read that thread. Just don't fuckin do it." And then I read it anyway. *facepalm*
Then you have no one to blame but yourself.
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dingus
Oct 6, 2010, 7:19 PM
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carabiner96 wrote: notapplicable wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: jakedatc wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: rangerrob wrote: I've done Flyin' Hawaiin at Rumney, and I don't remember ever owning a stick clip. It's not impossible. I agree with anti stick clip guy on this one. He values his ethic that he needs to be able to confidently climb the entire route without the aid of an artificial long arm. It's sort of arbitrary, because the bolts are more or less arbitrarily placed, so the danger is arbitrary. I would use a stick clip if I felt I needed it, but I would admire someone much more who climbed routes that they were comfortable with on their own terms. The whole concept of a stick clip, and sport climbing in general is kind of absurd. You are manufacturing a route with whatever degree of danger you want to have in it. If it's okay to stick clip the first bolt, why not stick clip the second, or third? Why not leave the rope hanging from all but the chains? What's the difference? Aside from bolting on the lead, why would someone intentionally make a sport route dangerous to lead? That's what i don't get about sport climbing. When you're placing gear you are either good enough to place the gear or you're not. With a sport climb you can easily make the route safer by just adding a lower bolt, and spacing them closer together. It's a joke, a farce...something that is there for pure entertainment. Not something to REALLY push the limits of what you yourself find as acceptable risk, and how close you can push yourself to the edge while still being in control. RR quoted just because it is well said, and to remind people once again that the question was, in fact, posted in the trad forum. Then WHY did you put : stick clip gumbie because it's worthless idiot. Aww. Young love. When I first saw the title to this thread I told myself, "Bryan, don't read that thread. Just don't fuckin do it." And then I read it anyway. *facepalm* Then you have no one to blame but yourself.
Cavet Emptor.
DMT
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MS1
Oct 6, 2010, 8:58 PM
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dingus wrote: carabiner96 wrote: notapplicable wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: jakedatc wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: rangerrob wrote: I've done Flyin' Hawaiin at Rumney, and I don't remember ever owning a stick clip. It's not impossible. I agree with anti stick clip guy on this one. He values his ethic that he needs to be able to confidently climb the entire route without the aid of an artificial long arm. It's sort of arbitrary, because the bolts are more or less arbitrarily placed, so the danger is arbitrary. I would use a stick clip if I felt I needed it, but I would admire someone much more who climbed routes that they were comfortable with on their own terms. The whole concept of a stick clip, and sport climbing in general is kind of absurd. You are manufacturing a route with whatever degree of danger you want to have in it. If it's okay to stick clip the first bolt, why not stick clip the second, or third? Why not leave the rope hanging from all but the chains? What's the difference? Aside from bolting on the lead, why would someone intentionally make a sport route dangerous to lead? That's what i don't get about sport climbing. When you're placing gear you are either good enough to place the gear or you're not. With a sport climb you can easily make the route safer by just adding a lower bolt, and spacing them closer together. It's a joke, a farce...something that is there for pure entertainment. Not something to REALLY push the limits of what you yourself find as acceptable risk, and how close you can push yourself to the edge while still being in control. RR quoted just because it is well said, and to remind people once again that the question was, in fact, posted in the trad forum. Then WHY did you put : stick clip gumbie because it's worthless idiot. Aww. Young love. When I first saw the title to this thread I told myself, "Bryan, don't read that thread. Just don't fuckin do it." And then I read it anyway. *facepalm* Then you have no one to blame but yourself. Cave at EmptorLector. DMT
(This obnoxious correction was brought to you by your friendly neighborhood Latin nazi.)
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erisspirit
Oct 6, 2010, 9:07 PM
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hafilax wrote: AntinJ wrote: My Steel Omega Pacific locking carabiner. I bought it when I was first learning to set up top-ropes..... What a waste of moolah. But look at the bright side; next time I need 62kN of holding power, I know where to find it! [image]http://media.rei.com/media/801624.jpg[/image] When I started I was told to get a few meters of tubular webbing. At one point I used it to tie up a hammock but that's about it. I don't think I have enough for a slackline.
Yeah the only time I needed any of that was to replace a dying rap station in JTree.
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dr_feelgood
Oct 7, 2010, 12:45 AM
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moose_droppings wrote: Perihelion wrote: devkrev wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: kachoong wrote: Oh, by far the grappling hook. ... Fucking n00b. You need a grappling hook with retractable teeth.  jeez, are you guys freakin' ninjas or something? I'm going to go with "or something," by which I mean "moron." Why in the world would you be carrying that thing? I try to maintain a broad perspective of things I don't quite personally appreciate, but this one is pushing the envelope. So you're flinging that thing up the rock and you can't figure out why it comes back to hit you? And for that you blame the hook? And, if it does snag, you'd trust a piece that just randomly snagged a rock or a root? Moron! Moron! MOR-RON!! I'm quoting this one before it gets away.
I am the wave of the motherfucking future. WI6=WI4 with that motherfucker.
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c4c
Oct 7, 2010, 1:53 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: rangerrob wrote: I love the "I established a new route" when he is telling someone about a another climb to try. Notice he didn't just say "there is route just down the road that would be better for you". He had to add the "I established it" part. I love it!! We all want our recognition, right? I think you're reading too much into it, Mr. 'My shit smells so much like roses that I'm too good for bolts, lookahme! Lookahme!.' C4C, can you pm me deets? I'd love to hop on it next weekend...is it north or south>
PM sent (no stick clip required)
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moose_droppings
Oct 7, 2010, 2:39 AM
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dr_feelgood wrote: moose_droppings wrote: Perihelion wrote: devkrev wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: kachoong wrote: Oh, by far the grappling hook. ... Fucking n00b. You need a grappling hook with retractable teeth. [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Dr_feelgood/P1000652.jpg[/IMG] jeez, are you guys freakin' ninjas or something? I'm going to go with "or something," by which I mean "moron." Why in the world would you be carrying that thing? I try to maintain a broad perspective of things I don't quite personally appreciate, but this one is pushing the envelope. So you're flinging that thing up the rock and you can't figure out why it comes back to hit you? And for that you blame the hook? And, if it does snag, you'd trust a piece that just randomly snagged a rock or a root? Moron! Moron! MOR-RON!! I'm quoting this one before it gets away. I am the wave of the motherfucking future. WI6=WI4 with that motherfucker.
Useless without the cannon launcher that goes with it.
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climbingaggie03
Oct 7, 2010, 3:27 AM
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adjustable aider from metolious, that was useless.
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Colinhoglund
Oct 7, 2010, 5:33 AM
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dr_feelgood wrote: moose_droppings wrote: Perihelion wrote: devkrev wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: kachoong wrote: Oh, by far the grappling hook. ... Fucking n00b. You need a grappling hook with retractable teeth. [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Dr_feelgood/P1000652.jpg[/IMG] jeez, are you guys freakin' ninjas or something? I'm going to go with "or something," by which I mean "moron." Why in the world would you be carrying that thing? I try to maintain a broad perspective of things I don't quite personally appreciate, but this one is pushing the envelope. So you're flinging that thing up the rock and you can't figure out why it comes back to hit you? And for that you blame the hook? And, if it does snag, you'd trust a piece that just randomly snagged a rock or a root? Moron! Moron! MOR-RON!! I'm quoting this one before it gets away. WOW, that reply made my day. Hook line and sinker. The angry ones are never right 
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kachoong
Oct 7, 2010, 12:33 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote: moose_droppings wrote: Perihelion wrote: devkrev wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: kachoong wrote: Oh, by far the grappling hook. ... Fucking n00b. You need a grappling hook with retractable teeth. jeez, are you guys freakin' ninjas or something? I'm going to go with "or something," by which I mean "moron." Why in the world would you be carrying that thing? I try to maintain a broad perspective of things I don't quite personally appreciate, but this one is pushing the envelope. So you're flinging that thing up the rock and you can't figure out why it comes back to hit you? And for that you blame the hook? And, if it does snag, you'd trust a piece that just randomly snagged a rock or a root? Moron! Moron! MOR-RON!! I'm quoting this one before it gets away. I am the wave of the motherfucking future. WI6=WI4 with that motherfucker.
Yeah, instant hanging belay, whether you wanted one or not.
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julio412
Oct 7, 2010, 1:17 PM
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I was with an old climbing buddy (over 25 years climbing together) awhile back cruising through an irrigation canal up in the mountains- man, I wish I had a grappling hook.
And, I think and agree on on one aspect of this thread.
Sport Climbing is neither Sport nor Climbing.
And the most worthless piece of gear is the one you don't have the imagination to figure out how to use.
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Guran
Oct 7, 2010, 2:09 PM
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Piece of gear most worthless on one route, while being essential on another: (drum roll) The quick draw.
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hafilax
Oct 7, 2010, 3:08 PM
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The old DMM belay master. Having to lock the biner to close the plastic doohickey or have it catch on everything or ripped off relegated it to the bottom of the gear bin.
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dingus
Oct 7, 2010, 3:30 PM
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julio412 wrote: I was with an old climbing buddy (over 25 years climbing together) awhile back cruising through an irrigation canal up in the mountains- man, I wish I had a grappling hook. And, I think and agree on on one aspect of this thread. Sport Climbing is neither Sport nor Climbing. And the most worthless piece of gear is the one you don't have the imagination to figure out how to use.
Hah! So I'm not the only one.
Stu and I rode our mtn bikes down the edge of an irrigation canal past some no trespass signs. The 'trail' along side the canal went from bad to worse to non-existent at a bridge. The canal was empty and about, oh, 10-12 feet deep I reckon. Very steep sides, U-shaped bottom like a glacier carved canyon.
OK so we lowered our bikes into the canal and proceeded to our destination. When we arrived at the base of the our target crag, we just left the bikes in the ditch.
To get out, I boosted Stu up so he could grab the lip and mantle out. With suitable jumping and one-arming we figgered we could get out on our own, but boosting was a lot easier. When he was up he just offered me his arm - I grabbed his hand like a hand hold and yarded on up
So we went and we sent! New route, one pitch. While contemplating if there was time to do another, we heard a strange sound.
Looked around a while, nothing.
Then Stu was all,
"dude, they turned the water on. LOOK!" He points to the canal and sure enough there is water coming down the thing! Not a deluge, at least not yet, we could actually see the wave front of the advancing water.
I have no idea if someone saw us and decided to flush us out or if it was just bad timing on our part, but we had to skeddadle!
Laughing at our predicament we went back to the bikes, now in a foot of rapidly moving and rapidly rising water! Hah!
Again I boosted Stu up to the rim, then passed him our packs and then one by one the bikes as well. When it was my turn, Stu stood up, looked down at me, grinned and said....
"Do I know you?"
BASTARD!
True dat.
DMT
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cracklover
Oct 7, 2010, 4:05 PM
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I honestly have never bought a piece of climbing gear I didn't get a lot of use out of. I just wanted to post to the thread to say thanks for the story, Dingus!
I haven't been on rc.com much lately, but stuff like that reminds me of why I keep coming back.
GO
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boymeetsrock
Oct 7, 2010, 4:36 PM
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cracklover wrote: <snip> thanks for the story, Dingus! GO
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dr_feelgood
Oct 7, 2010, 5:39 PM
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I would like to nominate a piece of gear as the most useless item:
Jakedatc's rack.
It is an antiquated, mostly second hand pile of rusted crap. The majority of the pieces are blue tcu sized, and it is quite greasy while reeking strongly of neglect and cabbage.
The only reason that he is still alive is because no part of his rack has made contact with the rock for as long as he has owned it.
Quite nauseating, really.
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jakedatc
Oct 7, 2010, 6:12 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote: I would like to nominate a piece of gear as the most useless item: Jakedatc's rack. It is an antiquated, mostly second hand pile of rusted crap. The majority of the pieces are blue tcu sized, and it is quite greasy while reeking strongly of neglect and cabbage. The only reason that he is still alive is because no part of his rack has made contact with the rock for as long as he has owned it. Quite nauseating, really.
KNOT TREW!!!111 
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c4c
Oct 7, 2010, 11:35 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote: I would like to nominate a piece of gear as the most useless item: Jakedatc's rack. It is an antiquated, mostly second hand pile of rusted crap. The majority of the pieces are blue tcu sized, and it is quite greasy while reeking strongly of neglect and cabbage. The only reason that he is still alive is because no part of his rack has made contact with the rock for as long as he has owned it. Quite nauseating, really.
1z tru! 1 haz scene it!
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a helmet
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Perihelion
Oct 8, 2010, 4:43 PM
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"Colinhoglund wrote: WOW, that reply made my day. Hook line and sinker. The angry ones are never right
yep, I admit it, I swallowed the bait. But like I said, I took a good rant and felt much lighter afterwards, so it wasn't a total loss. 
Editing to add a P.S.: I misunderstood the first poster, who was actually talking about the familiar grappling hook/cliffhanger. I don't think those items are worthless, but I can appreciate the bit about racking hooks and having them fly back into your face. The second guy, the one who posted the picture, is apparently channeling 007/Batman, and I'll stand by my comments about him... moron. WI6 to WI4, indeed. Right-O. (Of course I mean that in the nicest possible way, as far he knows.)
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kachoong
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Perihelion wrote: "Colinhoglund wrote: WOW, that reply made my day. Hook line and sinker. The angry ones are never right yep, I admit it, I swallowed the bait. But like I said, I took a good rant and felt much lighter afterwards, so it wasn't a total loss. Editing to add a P.S.: I misunderstood the first poster, who was actually talking about the familiar grappling hook/cliffhanger. I don't think those items are worthless, but I can appreciate the bit about racking hooks and having them fly back into your face. The second guy, the one who posted the picture, is apparently channeling 007/Batman, and I'll stand by my comments about him... moron. WI6 to WI4, indeed. Right-O. (Of course I mean that in the nicest possible way, as far he knows.)
Ummm, no that's not what I was talking about. Here I thought you were riding the wave of sarcasm, but it seems you were seriously bunching your panties about the grappling hook. Heh! Whyyyyy soooo serioussssss?
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