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svilnit
May 11, 2007, 1:09 PM
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oldsalt wrote: The Village - Aarghh! It takes a little fooling around between consenting adults after all of the little n00bs have gone to bed to start a little troll. After that, they are raised by their older cousins who have been around for awhile...
Very true... very true..
It's amazing that they are keeping this thread alive though. Are they not reading the same thing we are?
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johngenx
May 13, 2007, 4:36 PM
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I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so my comments are based on the first page and specifically the OP.
Noobs are not killing the sport. It's the elitist snobbery and downright asshole attitude of many climbers that degrades climbing. Instead of dismissing all new climbers, do as your predecessors did and find the ones that have the true passion and mentor them. Show them the ropes, literally.
The popularity of climbing rises and falls. Always has, and always will. Get used to it.
Without the noobs running out and buying all kinds of new shiny climbing gear, companies like BD, Grivel and so on would barely survive, much less have good budgets for R&D. Thos new products benefit all climbers, not just noobs.
Yes, it means crowded local crags. Climbing gyms packed every evening. But, if you're such a fuckin' hardman, what are doing at the sport crag or on plastic anyway? Is anyone saying the killer alpine routes and walls are packed with noobs? Get real.
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the_leech
May 13, 2007, 9:05 PM
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johngenx wrote: I haven't read all the posts in this thread...
Noooo... Really?!?
johngenx wrote: Noobs are not killing the sport. It's the elitist snobbery and downright asshole attitude of many climbers... bla, bla, bla, etc, etc, etc, for a few more paragraphs...
And so the thread continues.
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SamScott
May 13, 2007, 9:18 PM
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No because this sport kills noobs.
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crewdude
May 13, 2007, 9:59 PM
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I love how in the real world, climbers are really nice and helpful and help new people without harassing them or making fun of them and then you come online and it's the polar opposite....
Kinda funny, if you're new and ask people in the real world simple questions they understand that you're new to the sport and sympathize, helping you because it makes them feel better.... and here people make fun of people for not knowing everything about a new sport the first few weeks that they do it.... as if as soon as you decide to rock climb someone gives you a manual on how to do it, common terms, and all of the basics....
some people on here are the least supportive people that I've seen online, which is funny considering I know a bunch of really good climbers (who don't spend all their time on the internet) and they all just support me as I move along and learn more and more.... but w/e....
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notapplicable
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crewdude wrote: as if as soon as you decide to rock climb someone gives you a manual on how to do it, common terms, and all of the basics....
I agree with the sentiment that this sport is attracting more and more noobs all the time and the best way to deal with the situation is to offer support and help them get past the dangerous noob stage as fast as possible. If new people dont start climbing this sport would become stagnant but please respect the fact that climbing is not tennis and its not to be taken lightly.
One of the things that makes this sport great and allows its participants to take pride in being a climber is the necessity of self reliance and independence. There is a ton of lituature (online and off) that provide more than just a basic understanding of every facet of our sport and it is the responsibility of anyone who wants to take part in this sport to educate themselves. Read the books, practice breaking down anchors and lowering, learn how to use all types of belay devices in general do your part to become experienced and proficient in the vertical world.
In this sport lives are on the line and I dont feel that you should come to the crags if you arent motivated enough to learn as much as possible and prepare your self for the responsibilities of being one half of a partnership. There are valuable lessens that you should not learn on your own but people have to understrand that it is frustrateing to see people comeing to this sport wanting to have there hands held when self reliance and trust between partners is at the core of climbing.
Think of it this way, would you bother to teach someone the subtleties of paceing or any other "trick of the trade" that allowes a person to thrive in the sport of long distance running if they arent motivated enough to get in shape and establish a level of conditioning that would make them able to participate in the sport to start with. I have taught people how to climb in the past and will teach others in the future but only people who are willing to do as much as possible to steepen there own learning curve.
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stymingersfink
May 14, 2007, 12:12 AM
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oldsalt wrote: The Village - Aarghh! It takes a little fooling around between consenting adults after all of the little n00bs have gone to bed to start a little troll. After that, they are raised by their older cousins who have been around for awhile...
or put another way... if a n00b's parents get divorced, are they still brother and sister? 
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crewdude
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well i think it shows at least a little initiative to come online, find a forum, sign up, and then ask a bunch of people that you don't know for help.... but I do get your point...
my point is just that when someone is asking a troll-esque question like how their shoes should fit or what good workouts are, we should give them positive support, because obviously, they want to improve themselves....
I know that when I was in the gym last time, I walked up and helped out these two people that had never climbed before, didn't sit across the room and sneer because they didn't care to work hard and such...
And I'm sooo appreciative every time that my friends who climb better than me give me small suggestions or even large ideas that I need to work into my climbing, because without getting their first hand experience passed on to me, it would take so much longer to improve....
I'd much rather have hands on learning with someone I'm comfortable with when it comes to the life and death aspects of climbing, I don't want to read a book that shows me how to be safe and climb good, I want to learn from people that know and do it all the time, people that can show me and teach me with the knowledge and wisdom that they've accrued over the years...
In response to the paceing thing, my dad was a marathon runner for over 20 years and always helped others, whether they were overweight and couldn't run well or were cross country stars from my high school... you shouldn't just help someone because you know they'll be successful, you should help them because of the good sense of accomplishment that you have of once being at that point and now being at a place where you can help others like they helped you...
IE: EVERYONE here at one point or another LEARNED to belay someone... no one was so good that they knew from birth...
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richardvg03
May 14, 2007, 1:19 AM
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crewdude wrote: my point is just that when someone is asking a troll-esque question like how their shoes should fit or what good workouts are, we should give them positive support, because obviously, they want to improve themselves....
Hell no! We should give them a hard time and make them feel really small! It builds character!... by the way... I was wondering.. how ARE my shoes suppose to fit? HAHAHA
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crewdude
May 14, 2007, 1:24 AM
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richardvg03 wrote: We should give them a hard time and make them feel really small! It builds character!
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richardvg03
May 14, 2007, 1:42 AM
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AHH! I forgot AGAIN!
SARCASM!!! ;)
and Marines needs to be caps as well ;) It's a title... haha (can't wait for the replies on that) LOL!!
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crewdude
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caught the sarcasm but wanted to add in a quip about marines being yelled at in training... lol (is that really how it is or is that the movies?)
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richardvg03
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crewdude wrote: caught the sarcasm but wanted to add in a quip about marines being yelled at in training... lol (is that really how it is or is that the movies?)
Hahaha that actually is exactly how it is except we're not allowed to beat the young Marines anymore...
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mamajama
May 14, 2007, 4:19 AM
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The only thing dying is your concept of what's traditional. You're going to die one day you self-centered sob. Why waste time worrying about the death of "your" sport. Clinging to concepts is the absence of true living. Perhaps your sport never existed anywhere but your own mind.
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mamajama
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Whatever dick that said "ego is the essence of our sport" is a superficial loser. Climbing is not all about the climber. By challenging ourselves and being good students, we make ourselves more fully available to the community. Don't be stupid, It's not all about ripped muscles and inflated ego.
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theonlynebraskaclimber
May 14, 2007, 4:53 AM
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as a noob i doubt that i we are killing "your sport". Its just more popular. Isn't that better? If not the sport will die, along with the dirtbagers.
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suzie_cuzie
May 14, 2007, 9:08 AM
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mamajama wrote: It's not all about ripped muscles and inflated ego.
...OMG, it's not??? Are you sure? Maybe you should pick up a copy of Rock and Ice, because I'm pretty sure it is...
Btw, good work on givin it to Dingus. People will try to tell you that this thread was tongue-in-cheek and meant to be humourous, but don't you listen. Dingus is a n00b-hating monster. When n00bs ask him for help, he tells them to fuck off. When he sees them climbing at the crags, he cuts their ropes and laughs as they plummet to serious injury/death. He's just a bad, bad guy.
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the_leech
May 14, 2007, 1:50 PM
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mamajama wrote: Whatever dick that said "ego is the essence of our sport" is a superficial loser. Climbing is not all about the climber. By challenging ourselves and being good students, we make ourselves more fully available to the community. Don't be stupid, It's not all about ripped muscles and inflated ego.
The "Totally Clueless Loser of The Year" award goes to...
MAMAJAMA!!!
Congrats. Now good luck getting the hook out of your mouth, dumbass.
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dingus
May 14, 2007, 2:19 PM
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mamajama wrote: By challenging ourselves and being good students, we make ourselves more fully available to the community.
At 500' off the deck????
DMT
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Look at it this way... all you noobs? In 20 years MOST of you will have moved on to marriage, jobs, mortgages and the daily grind. Climbing will be a distant memory, like the time you did a tandem skydive (RAD!!!1111xxxyyyzzz!!!) or shot the brave rapids inb a guided self bailiung raft (waa hooo! ).
About one in 20 of you will still be climbing, as fervent then as you are now, maybe more so. You? You're tribal mate, you've earned your keep.
The rest of you? Noob fodder, stfu.
DMT
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notapplicable
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dingus wrote: Look at it this way... all you noobs? In 20 years MOST of you will have moved on to marriage, jobs, mortgages and the daily grind. Climbing will be a distant memory, like the time you did a tandem skydive (RAD!!!1111xxxyyyzzz!!!) or shot the brave rapids inb a guided self bailiung raft (waa hooo! ). About one in 20 of you will still be climbing, as fervent then as you are now, maybe more so. You? You're tribal mate, you've earned your keep. The rest of you? Noob fodder, stfu. DMT
Ahhh, Dingus finally we share some common ground. As usual your a little more "passionate" in your opinions but the sentiment above is one that rings true for me. I never thought we would actually agree on something, cheers mate.
Edited to add: Of course I have only been climbing for five years now so its possible that you still consider me part of the problem. If that is the case, F*ck U you elitest prick, you dont own the rocks and if I see you at the crag I'm to string top ropes on every route and scream beta at you at the top of my lungs "Sick deadpoint BRA" Plus I'll let you borrow my purple 5.10 spires if you want, I dont use them much anymore, I've got the blue ones now. How core am I?!!!
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mizmai
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I totally agree with you, I've found all the people I've come across have been really supportive. But this thread is making me think otherwise...
If there is anything that the veterans should know, it is that noobs grow a greater appreciation for the sport as they progress and have more respect for the people who excel beyond the norm.
Dingus is right in saying that 20 years from now, most newbies will probably have moved onto something else, but who cares....those people will continue to have respect for the mental and physical toughness that the sport requires.
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climbingtrash
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All I can say is thank GOD bouldering has taken off like it has...could you imagine all THOSE noobs clogging up the trad and sport areas! (just doing a little post CPR)
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