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clausti
May 14, 2007, 3:38 AM
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curt wrote: clausti wrote: ...bottom line- if you are being creepy, and by creepy i mean reducing a woman to "i'd tap that," in your head, then she's gonna be able to tell... Oh all right--I'm sorry already.  Curt
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amy
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so, i am getting into this way late, and i just want to know two things?
what did caughtinside's post that got deleted say, and who is the pretty prude slablizard is referring to?
and no matter the sex, male or female, it is fun to watch someone who knows how to climb do what they do well.
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slablizard
May 26, 2007, 12:02 AM
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amy wrote: so, i am getting into this way late, and i just want to know two things? what did caughtinside's post that got deleted say, and who is the pretty prude slablizard is referring to? and no matter the sex, male or female, it is fun to watch someone who knows how to climb do what they do well.
hey you :)
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amy
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prude:
a woman who shows or affects extreme modesty
-webster's dictionary
sorry, slablizard, the definition doesn't fit. you'll have to redefine me.
:)
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petsfed
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amy wrote: prude: a woman who shows or affects extreme modesty -webster's dictionary sorry, slablizard, the definition doesn't fit. you'll have to redefine me. :)
From the context of the original quote, I think he was referring to Tyra Banks (unless there's another Tyra on the Tyra show. Frankly, I'm happier just assuming and not doing the research).
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sorryfingers
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In general people judge appearances. It's true. No one said it was nice or ideal, and apparently no one on this site ever does. Wow! But I think it's a fairly well established fact that people do judge. I should know, I have dreads. Note that judgment is not always wrong or negative and obviously not always right or positive.
Given that being judged by others is a fact of life, we need to be aware of the messages that are passed though appearance. (ie: I can wear my ultra short shorts to the crag, and I can hope that people are appreciating my mad climbin' skillz but I can't be surprised if I get objectified. Disappointed, yes. Surprised, no.)
I can choose not to judge, and share my viewpoint, and I'll be a happier person, but it's not like that'll stop anyone else.
As slablizard said, judging someone's thoughts is absurd. Actions are all that ever counts and no one can ever "make" someone do something.
Frustrating. Read post carefully. Do not over/under read.
Aside: Judging by the text someone writes is like judging by appearance, just a different medium. And I'm judging that several people here are sloppy readers.
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tongueinbarbie
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I climb with women. Nothing strange about it.
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frogclimber
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i'm sure i'm way to late for this discussion. and i probably shouldn't be in the ladies room... but i'm a single 20 year that doesn't understand girls... what can i say?
anyways this brings something i heard a while back and highly agree with forcefully to mind.
keep in mind that just because it is a comedian saying it does not mean that it should be taken any less seriously:
“A girl walks by and she looks good. Not good in that classical way, I mean like she’s got half her ass hanging out of her skirt, she’s got her titties all mashed together popping out of the top of her turtleneck and shit. And you with your buddies and u say something that may not come out right like; “damn look at them titties!” And the girl says wait, wait a minute. Just because I’m dressed this way does not make me a whore. Which is true, gentlemen that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn’t mean they are a certain way, don’t ever forget it. But ladies you must understand that that is fucking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chapelle, the comedian walking down the streets in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me: “aahhhh! Officer help us, come on they’re over here, help us!” and I would be like “ohhh, just because I am dressed this way, does not make me a police officer!” So I have to say; “lady, you are not a whore, but you are wearing a whores uniform, I’ll tell you that right now.”
-Dave Chapelle
if i'm completely off base, feel free to let me know. i respond well to angry remarks.
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Aaahhhh nice... so very true
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clausti
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trebork2 wrote: Aaahhhh nice... so very true
so let me get this back... yall feel entitled to think that, if a woman is dressed revealingly, that she is in fact asking you to pay her for sex? a "whore's uniform"?
absolute bullshit.
there is a reason impersonating an officer is a *crime,* as in, they have laws saying you cant.
next time you go clubbing, you let me know how it works out to offer that fine bitch a 20.
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frogclimber
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uhh.... wtf? No.
I do not feel entitled to think that (my sig has nothing to do with this for the record). I just think it sends mixed messages. And in that quote it is made very clear that thinking that it is okay to assume someone is a whore is completely wrong. The point is that it sends a message that can be, quite understandably, confusing when behavior is contrary to it.
I guess the point is, yes it is wrong for guys to judge a girl or treat her differently based upon her dress. But ladies, you have to understand that you are in fact sending a message. Maybe you should stop to think what that message is before jumping all over someone for making a quick, and presumably incorrect, judgement. Nobody's perfect and I find it hard to believe that such a mistake could happen without there being some fault on both sides... unless the guys just a dick.
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macherry
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frogclimber wrote: i'm sure i'm way to late for this discussion. and i probably shouldn't be in the ladies room... but i'm a single 20 year that doesn't understand girls... what can i say? anyways this brings something i heard a while back and highly agree with forcefully to mind. keep in mind that just because it is a comedian saying it does not mean that it should be taken any less seriously: “A girl walks by and she looks good. Not good in that classical way, I mean like she’s got half her ass hanging out of her skirt, she’s got her titties all mashed together popping out of the top of her turtleneck and shit. And you with your buddies and u say something that may not come out right like; “damn look at them titties!” And the girl says wait, wait a minute. Just because I’m dressed this way does not make me a whore. Which is true, gentlemen that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn’t mean they are a certain way, don’t ever forget it. But ladies you must understand that that is fucking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chapelle, the comedian walking down the streets in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me: “aahhhh! Officer help us, come on they’re over here, help us!” and I would be like “ohhh, just because I am dressed this way, does not make me a police officer!” So I have to say; “lady, you are not a whore, but you are wearing a whores uniform, I’ll tell you that right now.” -Dave Chapelle if i'm completely off base, feel free to let me know. i respond well to angry remarks.
well, considering the source and the immaturity of chappelle's so called humour, if that's your base reference on how to treat women....good luck, you might be staying single
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frogclimber
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meh. You may be right. But i think it would be nice of you, and better for me, if you explained to me what is wrong with my thinking, instead of making a quick, and i'd like to think, inacurate judgement of me based on one reference.
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macherry
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I think i've stated my point previously in this thread. Women have a right to dress however they want. And just because you may think they dress "like a whore" doesn't give you the right to treat them with any less respect.
the chapelle bit basically says it's alright to degrade women based on what they wear.
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frogclimber
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Do you think so? I rather thought he made it clear that it was not okay to think that someone was a whore because of the way they dress. But then went on to explain why that kind of mistake occurs. It wasn't a justification or an excuse and it most definately did not condone the behavior. I thought the point of it was that yes it's wrong for guys to judge women by their dress, but that the guys judgements weren't coming out of nowhere.
So should any guy judge by dress? No
Is it ever okay to? No
Could such a judgement be understood? Yes
Is the guy at fault? Yes
Is the girl completely faultless? No
An extreme exageration that i think gets the point across:
Imagine if I asked a girl if she was a whore and she nodded her head and said no. I would be somewhat confused.
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frogclimber
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Well shoot. Can't beat that argument... guess I'm done here.
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dalguard
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Women dress in a way that gets them more admiration than aggravation. What that way is exactly depends on who they're trying to impress, which may very well not be you. Nevertheless, if you contribute more to the aggravation than the admiration, then you're a no vote. Maybe in time you'd even have an effect on the fashions of the day.
In other words, unless you want to see women in nun outfits, pretend you can respect us anyway.
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climb_eng
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You've almost got it Wjca.... except one thing. As far as I can tell, women do dress to be looked at; but it's a question of whos looking. If say Fabio were staring and drooling that would be alright, flattering even... but if some fat guy at the 7-11 is doing the same, he's a creepy perv  .
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macherry
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wjca wrote: I have no issues with women that choose to wear revealing clothing. On the contrary, I salute them. But make no mistake, they do so because they want to be noticed. I challenge anyone to convince me otherwise. They're not necessarily whores (although statistically, I'm sure some are), but they all want to be noticed and have people look at them. So I do. I feel its my duty. My duty as a man and my duty as a person that isn't being led around by a seeing eye dog. Call it staring or oggling if you will, I don't really care. But to avert my eyes would completely discount the effort those ladies went through to put together an outfit that screams: "HEY, CHECK OUT MY TITS!!! AREN'T THEY FANTASTIC?!?!" So I look so as to not hurt their feelings. I'm sensitive that way.
wjca, i agree with you, its an attention thing, much like speedos.
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