yourself. BTW, I hope more people bolt cracks, you rich fucks can fuck yourselves with all your cams, most of us, especially given the times, can't afford a full trad rack.

Personally, I like some variety in my climbing. One day I might want a runout frightfest that tests my belayer almost as much as it tests me. On others I want to clip a bolt or two. The biggest mistake we as climbers can make, IMO, is to homogenize climbing one way or the other. When I lose the inclination and opportunity to customize my climbing as I see fit, it's probably time for me to hang it up. And since I don't really want to hang it up, I'll say I'm pretty happy to have some areas be closer to pristine and some not so much.

Uh dude, do you even know how much it costs to bolt a route? Much less an entire crag? Stop whining keep clipping your bolts and remember somebody else payed to put that route up you are climbing on.

lol, damn this is an exciting post. Sorry for the people I offended, I fully understand your position. Hell like I said I want to climb trad. This is what happens when you drink too much and read about Ken "The Bolt Chopper" from the East Coast. I don't want to get into detail about my opinions, nor do I want want to respond to all these posts... My problem is with people that want to go chopping bolts. I generally agree that a well placed piece of pro is more then likely stronger then most bolts. I also feel we should set better standards for bolting so they are less dangerous. And as far as climbing bolted crack,... I can get that done at Shelf Road. Once again sorry for anyone who got offended. Hell if I saw this post I would be on the OP like white on rice.



btw: WHOO HOO Obama WON!!!!!
and try not to drink to much, and if you do avoid reading about Ken "The Bolt Chopper", you may very well do something quite rash, like make a thread like this one....

I'm 29, but emotionally, and in level of maturity, about 17. and I can't control what I write when I drink

Does it make you feel good to degrade people?

Do you feel stronger after a post like that?

Your weak, your post is a perfect example of why/how. Oh, and next time you have had a few too many read this post and try to not get pissed:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...;;page=unread#unread

I understand that, that's part of the reason I would like to put a few routes up at some point. So I can contribute something to the local climbing in my area. Also I see lots of potential in some undeveloped areas here.

If you really want to climb bolted cracks to go Shelf Road in Colorado, or fine other quality limestone crags. You are bound to find your bolted cracks there.

I would only put up bolts on new routes (with proper research into ethics/regulation) or to replace old/outdated hardware on existing routes (once again talking to the people who are currently in charge of that for the area).

That's the kind of response I would expect from you...

Backpedaling is,.. um,..




Anyway, I'm not kissing ass, I just appreciate the idea of diversity, I like choices. He made a very valid point:


I couldn't agree more.

Awesome response, this is by far the most informative reply. I would have to say your post puts this into a better perspective for me. Like I said above, I was drunk when I read the Ken "The Bolt Chopper" thread and may have responded a bit, um... rashly.

drunken posting=FAIL

there, fixed that for you.


hey, you offered the straight lines. I especially liked your wishing death on trad climbers. right then and there, you admitted to a level of douchebaggery I admit I am not man enough to embrace. oh wait, I meant, "not STUPID enough to embrace" sorry, my B.

no. whenver I read posts like your OP, my despair for humanity deepens.


see here's where we differ.

1. I don't drink to excess anymore. the novelty wore off oh, 25 years ago. you're still new to it, so it still seems fun adn exciting.

2. even when I did drink to excess, I could still tell when I was on the verge of saying/writing something stupid, so I didn't. even then, I had more self control than you've exhibited.

3. I've seen KNs handiwork at Farley. he's a douche, hands down. so i contributed money to the WMCC, since that seems like it might actually help the cause rather than blathering away ineffectually, (or, like you, DRUNKENLY AND INEFFECTUALLY, about the wrong thing) on some stupid online BBS.

4. I'm weak? dude, you're the one who posted while drunk, posted stupidly I might add, and then used the idiotically lame excuse of blaming it on the drink. that's both dishonest and lame.

lol, damn this is an exciting post. Sorry for the people I offended, I fully understand your position. Hell like I said I want to climb trad. This is what happens when you drink too much and read about Ken "The Bolt Chopper" from the East Coast. I don't want to get into detail about my opinions, nor do I want want to respond to all these posts... My problem is with people that want to go chopping bolts. I generally agree that a well placed piece of pro is more then likely stronger then most bolts. I also feel we should set better standards for bolting so they are less dangerous. And as far as climbing bolted crack,... I can get that done at Shelf Road. Once again sorry for anyone who got offended. Hell if I saw this post I would be on the OP like white on rice.



btw: WHOO HOO Obama WON!!!!!
and try not to drink to much, and if you do avoid reading about Ken "The Bolt Chopper", you may very well do something quite rash, like make a thread like this one....

3. I've seen KNs handiwork at Farley. he's a douche, hands down. so i contributed money to the WMCC, since that seems like it might actually help the cause rather than blathering away ineffectually, (or, like you, DRUNKENLY AND INEFFECTUALLY, about the wrong thing) on some stupid online BBS.

Just thought I'd point out that this post has clearly had an effect. Otherwise there wouldn't be 5 pages of responses in this short of time, and if you ignore posts like yours and pay attention to posts that actually discuss the topic you might be able to contribute something other than insults. But maybe that isn't why you post on this forum...

Yeah, cause your OP was really a call for an intelligent conversation.

PS. I chopped your mom.

Wouldn't that be "I chopped your dad and now she is my beeoch"?

Someone has rack envy.

I live under the poverty line and have a full rack. It's all about priorities. Steph Davis didn't make more than $7,000 in a year by the time she was 27 (according to her book).

but once chopped, is it still sausage?

Uh, I'm prepared to leave the taste test up to others, so inclined.