I give up, you win.

Check the public record, that's a good idea before stating it's all on public land.

You've got me pegged. I am going to take my cookie eating, anti-social, elitist, rash judging, liberal, tree-hugging self and go climb to enjoy climbing.

I'll just do so by not pissing off people that own the land. I might even stop, say, hello and have a nice conversation. Tell them how appreciative I am of them allowing me the priviledge to climb on their land. I'll drive slow to the designated parking area, keep my dog on a leash, and keep my music down. Not because I live in a over-regulated dictatorship, but just because I respect the owners and the people around me. I like being courteous and hope everyone can appreciate the area for years to come.

nuff said.

Oh and most importantly my penis Is the biggest, no argument there.

Does no one understand that its not private land? Check your topo, go get a land survey for that private property. You can see where the private and public land meet and it is not through the rocks, it's not even close!

"I never said don't give your buddy directions, I just said use some prudence and don't slap directions up just anywhere"

There is no way that I can justify giving directions to one person but not the other, even if I have no clue who that other person is. They are directions. I could give advice with them, like, don't trash the place or watch out for the flowers. But that goes back to my original point, educate the person, don't discount them. And if you need to climb alone, build your own wall at home, don't try to secure a natural, Public area for your own good.

have you not realized that whether the climbing is on public or private land is only a component of the issue? okay, let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that the climbing is on public land. whose land is this "public land?" municipal? state? federal?

going off of jrathfon's post, it sounds like there are some residences adjacent. if the volume of people visiting this area go up, vehicular traffic will go up. people coming in and out will become more noticable to others. parking will become an issue; if desigated parking fills up which is more likely? people will think, "oh, it's full today," and move on elsewhere or will they try to wedge their car in somewhere that it doesn't belong? eventually, people complain (to the police, their councilman, or whomever) and access is lost.

the issue isn't so much people keeping the area to themselves for elitist purposes but, instead, either they can climb there and not tell anyone or they can tell people but climbing access will cease to exist. ask yourself, would you rather have a place to yourself, or not at all?

"I never said don't give your buddy directions, I just said use some prudence and don't slap directions up just anywhere"

uh, right. see, you might do a little education of people that you tell but there's no guarantee that they won't take other people willy-nilly without educating them. the growth of visitors at a desired, as it's sounding, place typically isn't linear, it's exponential.

that is spot on.

i was speaking in general about neighborhoods and the whole cascade of the word spreading on "secret" spots.

hunter's is in the middle of state game land, with a few private hunting cabins adjacent. though there aren't kids on treks, people have parked in the driveways to the hunting cabins. that has brought the police and a tow-truck.

i've brought a few people to hunter's, i didn't FBI background check their credentials, but i made sure they understood the situation thoroughly.

to beat the dead horse, i was just pushing exercise respect, and don't tip the scale on already sensitive situations.