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mojomonkey
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Saw these photos on Gunks.com today. They seem to fit with this thread, but I'm posting it here so as not to get in the way of the "on subject and respectful" "polite discussion of specific accidents" going on in there.
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rockforlife
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wow...
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spikeddem
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Betcha it's faked/staged.
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spikeddem wrote: Betcha it's faked/staged.
Yeah, either that, or the person at the top is off belay.
I'd go with staged.
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I certainly hope its fake.
I wanna strangle a hippie.
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Kartessa wrote: I certainly hope its fake. I wanna strangle a hippie.
Make sure you wash your hands afterwards.
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The belayer is wearing kid's shoes.
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You guys are mistaken. Clearly, that is a fetus at the base of the cliff. The line is simply the umbilical cord. This is just another instance of a climber giving birth while soloing Handy Andy.
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dingus wrote: The belayer is wearing kid's shoes. DMT
I noticed that too. And judging by her size relative to the dog and the grigri she's probably 12 or so...
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that WAS one cute doggie
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dingus
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She does have an ATC-style device on her harness though!
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wonderwoman wrote: You guys are mistaken. Clearly, that is a fetus at the base of the cliff. The line is simply the umbilical cord. This is just another instance of a climber giving birth while soloing Handy Andy.
Awesome!
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Tell the kid to quit texting and start watching her climber.
Daddy is go to die!
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gmggg
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jeepnphreak wrote: Tell the kid to quit texting and start watching her climber. Daddy is go to die!
She's not texting. She's playing with her nut tool bungie. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again. Those bungie cords are an accident waiting to happen. Between those cords and shiny things that make funny noises it's a wonder anyone makes it out alive.
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Jealous!!!
I can't wait until my kids weight 50 lbs so I can tie them to the end of my lead line !
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gmggg
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boymeetsrock wrote: Jealous!!! I can't wait until my kids weight 50 lbs so I can tie them to the end of my lead line !
If you have more than one kid you don't have to wait so long.
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boymeetsrock
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gmggg wrote: boymeetsrock wrote: Jealous!!! I can't wait until my kids weight 50 lbs so I can tie them to the end of my lead line ! If you have more than one kid you don't have to wait so long.
Holy shit , you just made my day! My wife if pregnant with twins! You'll see us at the Gunks by Mid may. Just look for the clusterfuck ground anchor and the shirts that say thing one and thing two.
How much do those baby seats weigh? You know, the ones you can clip into the car seat...
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I think things will be ok - she's probably stepping on the rope with her right shoe. 
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Gold. Almost as good as the picture of the TR anchor on the dead, fallen tree (also at the Gunks).
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dingus wrote: She does have an ATC-style device on her harness though! DMT
AAAAND, most importantly, the system is closed!
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iknowfear wrote: dingus wrote: She does have an ATC-style device on her harness though! DMT AAAAND, most importantly, the system is closed!
ALWAYS CLOSE THE SYSTEM. I GOTTA REMEMBER, ALWAYS CLOSE THE SYSTEM!
(FUCKING TIGER!)
Kurtz closed the system. He tied me off and walked away.
I just wanted a belay, and for my sins, she gave me one....
(The Heart of Darkness, or How to Teach Your 12 Year Older Daughter to Belay)
Btw, been there, done that. I call it grigri self belay snag removal mechanism, hehe)
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Saw this going on a few minutes earlier, leader was about 15ft off the deck when I came through. He was very much on lead, no anchor from above or anythihng. And to set the record straight she was not texting or playing with a nut tool.... She was in the middle of an intense battle of Cats Cradle (for real). This moron dad is going to bust up his kids face. She was anchored in with one nut... could have at least added the dog into the system with a nice sliding X.
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Twiggy96 wrote: Saw this going on a few minutes earlier, leader was about 15ft off the deck when I came through. He was very much on lead, no anchor from above or anythihng. And to set the record straight she was not texting or playing with a nut tool.... She was in the middle of an intense battle of Cats Cradle (for real). This moron dad is going to bust up his kids face. She was anchored in with one nut... could have at least added the dog into the system with a nice sliding X.
According to the third picture you are wrong. Although you're right about everything else.
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dingus wrote: iknowfear wrote: dingus wrote: She does have an ATC-style device on her harness though! DMT AAAAND, most importantly, the system is closed! ALWAYS CLOSE THE SYSTEM. I GOTTA REMEMBER, ALWAYS CLOSE THE SYSTEM! (FUCKING TIGER!) Kurtz closed the system. He tied me off and walked away. I just wanted a belay, and for my sins, she gave me one.... (The Heart of Darkness, or How to Teach Your 12 Year Older Daughter to Belay) Btw, been there, done that. I call it grigri self belay snag removal mechanism, hehe) DMT
I quite liked the "auto-dropper" coined by Arrogant_Bastard (for a grigri... )
and yes, maybe he was in a solo mindset (been there, done that as well), when the rope is only there to belay the second up; chances of that second catching a fall? I never had to find out...
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shoo wrote: Kartessa wrote: I certainly hope its fake. I wanna strangle a hippie. Make sure you wash your hands afterwards.
Used patchouli oil is tough to get off. I think you need some form of industrial solvent long since banned by the EPA from the open market...
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socalclimber wrote: shoo wrote: Kartessa wrote: I certainly hope its fake. I wanna strangle a hippie. Make sure you wash your hands afterwards. Used patchouli oil is tough to get off. I think you need some form of industrial solvent long since banned by the EPA from the open market...
Good thing I live in Canada... no stoopid EPA
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I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time.
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darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time.
I wouldn't, if her anchor is a single nut, she's gonna get slammed into the wall and ripped up the climb, likely colliding with the climber along the way.
If the climber is really unlucky, that dog may suffer the same fate as pepper.
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darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time.
Yeah, smash that little girls face into the rock!
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Gri Gri=condom
you can either use it or ignore it
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vegastradguy wrote: darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time. I wouldn't, if her anchor is a single nut, she's gonna get slammed into the wall and ripped up the climb, likely colliding with the climber along the way. If the climber is really unlucky, that dog may suffer the same fate as pepper.
See, you guys keep missing it... the fluffy little dog is the bulk of the safety system. It's a crash-pooch.
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bill413
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socalclimber wrote: shoo wrote: Kartessa wrote: I certainly hope its fake. I wanna strangle a hippie. Make sure you wash your hands afterwards. Used patchouli oil is tough to get off. I think you need some form of industrial solvent long since banned by the EPA from the open market...
Just don't get any on your rope - we aren't ready for another of _those_ threads.
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darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time.
You want to see a little girl get hurt? WTF?
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wonderwoman wrote: You guys are mistaken. Clearly, that is a fetus at the base of the cliff. The line is simply the umbilical cord. This is just another instance of a climber giving birth while soloing Handy Andy.
Naw, that's "The Brat."
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I think even the dog looks spooked about the whole situation. Is it just me, or does the gunks draw more of these types of climbers than any other area? I've never felt as much in danger at any other crag as I do when I'm at the gunks. Could it be it's proximity to NYC?
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bill413 wrote: joeforte wrote: I think even the dog looks spooked about the whole situation. Is it just me, or does the gunks draw more of these types of climbers than any other area? I've never felt as much in danger at any other crag as I do when I'm at the gunks. Could it be it's proximity to NYC? I don't think that [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=4696;[/image] is the Gunks. But, yeah - easy access (nice!) and high population centers close by means that even if the percentage of "those types" of people is the same, we'll see more of them at the Gunks. :(
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strangeday wrote: bill413 wrote: joeforte wrote: I think even the dog looks spooked about the whole situation. Is it just me, or does the gunks draw more of these types of climbers than any other area? I've never felt as much in danger at any other crag as I do when I'm at the gunks. Could it be it's proximity to NYC? I don't think that  is the Gunks. But, yeah - easy access (nice!) and high population centers close by means that even if the percentage of "those types" of people is the same, we'll see more of them at the Gunks. :( Indian cove.. Jtree lots of dumb shit goes on there as well
Which is funny since they got all their big wall aid gear out.
My guess is they're practicing the aid.
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spikeddem wrote: darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time. You want to see a little girl get hurt? WTF?
No, but... I'd probably rather see both of them get taught a hard lesson than a fatal lesson.
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j_ung wrote: spikeddem wrote: darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time. You want to see a little girl get hurt? WTF? No, but... I'd probably rather see both of them get taught a hard lesson than a fatal lesson.
Not to be completely heartless, but that girl would probably be better off with the fatal lesson than with walking around with the scars from the hard lesson for the rest of her life.
After she gets slammed into the wall and then pulled through the first carabiner she would probably look like that woman who got attached by the chimp.
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joeforte wrote: I think even the dog looks spooked about the whole situation. Is it just me, or does the gunks draw more of these types of climbers than any other area? I've never felt as much in danger at any other crag as I do when I'm at the gunks. Could it be it's proximity to NYC?
DING ! What does he win Rod?
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boymeetsrock wrote: j_ung wrote: spikeddem wrote: darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time. You want to see a little girl get hurt? WTF? No, but... I'd probably rather see both of them get taught a hard lesson than a fatal lesson. Not to be completely heartless, but that girl would probably be better off with the fatal lesson than with walking around with the scars from the hard lesson for the rest of her life. After she gets slammed into the wall and then pulled through the first carabiner she would probably look like that woman who got attached by the chimp.
She's not going to get pulled through the first biner - her tether will stop her, even as it pendulums her into the rock.
And, scars can be dealt with. (How she'll regard her dad, however...)
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bill413 wrote: She's not going to get pulled through the first biner - her tether will stop her, even as it pendulums her into the rock. And, scars can be dealt with. (How she'll regard her dad, however...)
Based on people saying that her tether is attached to a nut, your comment may or may not be true.
I suppose your right about scars though...
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After looking again, Dad might well be on the ground before she got to the first 'biner.
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j_ung wrote: spikeddem wrote: darkgift06 wrote: I just really really want to see the leader take a good fall above pro, & see how the belayer gets slammed into the rock face first as her hands will be holding her phone or what ever it is & wont be able to take the fall in time. You want to see a little girl get hurt? WTF? No, but... I'd probably rather see both of them get taught a hard lesson than a fatal lesson.
I'm still voting for just the dad seeing the repurcussions of this...It's like hoping that a child in a carseat gets a hard lesson for her father's driving habits.
What lesson would the girl learn?
Edit: To be fair to j_ung, he said that he'd rather see two people receive a hard lesson than a fatal lesson, and I agree with that. However, I disagree with the first text that I quoted above...j_ung's response is addressing a different point.
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I wonder who was taking the picture? The mother? If you want to free solo fine but don’t use your daughter and dog as crash pads.
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JasonsDrivingForce wrote: I wonder who was taking the picture? The mother? If you want to free solo fine but don’t use your daughter and dog as crash pads.
Seems that the photographer is a concerned climber.
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It is not staged. I came up the stairmaster and ran into a friend who told me about it as my partner and I walked towards the Nears thru the Uberfall. It was still going on as we went by and I had the camera ready.
Through a friend the Dad has been ID'd and he commented that the dog actually got tangled up. He also commented to the friend that sent him the link to see if it was him that he didn't have time to worry about or respond to the posting
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iknowfear wrote: dingus wrote: iknowfear wrote: dingus wrote: She does have an ATC-style device on her harness though! DMT AAAAND, most importantly, the system is closed! ALWAYS CLOSE THE SYSTEM. I GOTTA REMEMBER, ALWAYS CLOSE THE SYSTEM! (FUCKING TIGER!) Kurtz closed the system. He tied me off and walked away. I just wanted a belay, and for my sins, she gave me one.... (The Heart of Darkness, or How to Teach Your 12 Year Older Daughter to Belay) Btw, been there, done that. I call it grigri self belay snag removal mechanism, hehe) DMT I quite liked the "auto-dropper" coined by Arrogant_Bastard (for a grigri... ) In reply to: and yes, maybe he was in a solo mindset (been there, done that as well), when the rope is only there to belay the second up; chances of that second catching a fall? I never had to find out...
If he was in a soloing mindset then don't be on belay and put your kid at risk for a face slam if you indeed take the whip or slip
1 person injured instead of two
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Seems reasonable to me.
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CliffDestructo wrote: It is not staged. I came up the stairmaster and ran into a friend who told me about it as my partner and I walked towards the Nears thru the Uberfall. It was still going on as we went by and I had the camera ready. Through a friend the Dad has been ID'd and he commented that the dog actually got tangled up. He also commented to the friend that sent him the link to see if it was him that he didn't have time to worry about or respond to the posting
Well, at least the dad has his priorities, such as they are. Did you then step in and teach the little girl that allowing her daddy to die at her feet might not be something you'd want to see?
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Did you mean to ask if I stepped in to help so that I would not see him die or Did I step in so that she would not see him die?
I did neither and almost told the ranger to either call DYFS ? or get the litter close to the climb?
The Gunks are full of this and if you stepped in every time you saw this you wouldn't even cart your gear to the rock bc you would never climb.
I have stepped in a bunch of times. The last was when a large guy was going to rap off a 4 inch dia. tree 40 feet up near 3 pines bc his girlfriend couldn't do the moves on the 5.3. He had the rope 2 feet off the ground to prevent rope drag when he pulled it
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CliffDestructo wrote: Did you mean to ask if I stepped in to help so that I would not see him die or Did I step in so that she would not see him die? I did neither and almost told the ranger to either call DYFS ? or get the litter close to the climb? The Gunks are full of this and if you stepped in every time you saw this you wouldn't even cart your gear to the rock bc you would never climb. I have stepped in a bunch of times. The last was when a large guy was going to rap off a 4 inch dia. tree 40 feet up near 3 pines bc his girlfriend couldn't do the moves on the 5.3. He had the rope 2 feet off the ground to prevent rope drag when he pulled it
Well, I suppose it doesn't matter as neither of you adults (leader and yourself) appear to give a shit if he died or not. Of course, in the little girls defense, she may not have any clue that her inaction may be setting her dad up for an assisted suicide.
I would have said something, even just a quick "you need to keep your hand on this rope at all times sweetie" as I walked past. But that's a personal choice, much like everyone else was making in this situation. Everyone was choosing to go their own way, unconcerned with the others. I'm not dissing on your decision as I understand, but I couldn't walk away. I would still tie in with you at some point even knowing of your course of action here, but I would never tie in with the man who was leading in that picture. I'd like to think it's staged. It's likely the device would catch him anyway, but I keep seeing all kinds of these Grigri "accidents" over and over.
I hope the asshole reads this.
(This post was edited by billcoe_ on Oct 1, 2010, 1:40 PM)
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billcoe_
Oct 1, 2010, 2:24 AM
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I think this thread might make my position clearer to the leader. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread
If you want to kill yourself, don't do it in front of your little girl. Go get a shotgun, head into the deep woods where you know cougars and coyotes are prowling and blow your brains out.
Tie a rope around your neck with a heavy weight on the other end and jump off a bridge into deep water when no one is around.
Swallow a bunch of pills and lay down on the bed after you've washed them down with a few shots of whiskey.
Don't kill yourself in front of any child. Just leave a clear suicide note for your loved ones.
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j_ung
Oct 1, 2010, 12:27 PM
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Thread drift! Get a seedy motel room in Barstow, swallow a bottle of sleeping pills, strip naked and lie down in the bathtub! Cut your wrists and swim out to the Great Barrier Reef! Take pills, climb into the trunk of your car and call the scrap yard to pick it up! Climb K2 in shorts and a T-shirt! Sneak into Cape Canaveral for a ringside seat at a shuttle launch! Go backpacking in North Korea! Start a website called mafiavideos.com!
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