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jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay
i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days.
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In reply to: Well, don't paint every vegetarian with the same brush... But overall, I would say that there is a trend: the more extreme someone's food choices (extreme used here as a deviation from the population mean, in any direction), the more likely it is that their entire lifestyle revolves around this choice, and the more likely it is that it is not just about food choice, it is also about morality, ethics, and self-identification. With so many things tied togehter, attacking one part feels like an attack on the whole. Substitute food for religion, and it;s the same story, really...
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Holy Butthurtz Batman. And y'all make fun of us in the BET for wasting our time.
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macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days.
Think C2H5OH may play a part in that?
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rrrADAM wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days. Think C2H5OH may play a part in that?
I was just about to write that...
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macherry
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rrrADAM wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days. Think C2H5OH may play a part in that?
yes and poverty and other social issues. the adaptation of a western diet has caused the cases of diabetes in the aboriginal population to go through the roof
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That makes sense.
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rrrADAM wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days. Think C2H5OH may play a part in that?
Yeah, and cigarette smoking, diet, and substandard access to health care.
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jt512 wrote: rrrADAM wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days. Think C2H5OH may play a part in that? Yeah, and cigarette smoking, diet, and substandard access to health care. Jay
Though I would not be surprised if the average lifespans of Inuit adults before contact was significantly lower than those of hunter-gatherers with more diverse diets in more temperate areas.
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Who said anything about God? I'm just saddened that my fellow climbers have so much faith in a theory that has been virtually disproved by the physics and mathematical scientific community. Just because its pushed so hard in our textbooks and higher schools of learning doesn't necissarily make it true. I wish people would look around and learn a little instead of swallowing the first idea thats thrown at them. And I appologize for bringing this up, more of a soapbox kinda post...
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gmggg wrote: furgie wrote: bah just more evoligion (evolution religion) show me some hard evidence that I came from apes istead of forcing your unproven theories down my throat...  Texas FTW!
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furgie wrote: Who said anything about God? I'm just saddened that my fellow climbers have so much faith in a theory that has been virtually disproved by the physics and mathematical scientific community. Just because its pushed so hard in our textbooks and higher schools of learning doesn't necissarily make it true. I wish people would look around and learn a little instead of swallowing the first idea thats thrown at them. And I appologize for bringing this up, more of a soapbox kinda post...
Seriously, that whole seceding from the Union thing, I support it.
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camhead wrote: jt512 wrote: rrrADAM wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: csproul wrote: macherry wrote: styndall wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO I was going to say much the same thing as cracklover, and it's an important and interesting point. There's a lot of reactionary stuff in this thread, and on the internet at large, calling vegetarians and vegans sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, even when, like in the case of the guy Macherry is rudely attacking, the vegetarian even goes out of his way to state that his moral calculus doesn't necessarily apply to anyone else at all. The resistance to the idea that there could be ethics involved in food choices is massive, and the backlash against such ethical consideration is unnecessarily vicious. See also - irrational hate for PETA. They do silly stuff that draws attention to some kinds of animal cruelty, and people treat them more or less like neo-nazis. The attacks are out of proportion to any reasonable offense people could have to people in underwear hanging out in cages near city hall. once again, i'll state that it's lines like, (which i quoted in my response) "If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me." i take issue with this kind of attitude. But isn't that kind of true?You do not need meat. It is not necessary to your survival. It is somewhat of a convenience that makes us happy. If you eat it, you are making a statement that your happiness is more important than the lives of the animals that you eat. Nothing wrong with that in my book. I'll own up to it. well, you don't need plants either. not necessary for my survival. ask the aboriginal people of northern canada You mean the people who diie 12 years younger, on average, than other Canadians? Jay i was speaking more historically. a traditional inuit diet was animal based. not so much these days. Think C2H5OH may play a part in that? Yeah, and cigarette smoking, diet, and substandard access to health care. Jay Though I would not be surprised if the average lifespans of Inuit adults before contact was significantly lower than those of hunter-gatherers with more diverse diets in more temperate areas.
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: furgie wrote: Who said anything about God? I'm just saddened that my fellow climbers have so much faith in a theory that has been virtually disproved by the physics and mathematical scientific community. Just because its pushed so hard in our textbooks and higher schools of learning doesn't necissarily make it true. I wish people would look around and learn a little instead of swallowing the first idea thats thrown at them. And I appologize for bringing this up, more of a soapbox kinda post... Seriously, that whole seceding from the Union thing, I support it.
http://www.texassecede.org
Viva la revolucion!
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furgie wrote: ...so much faith in a theory that has been virtually disproved by the physics and mathematical scientific community.
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marc801 wrote: furgie wrote: ...so much faith in a theory that has been virtually disproved by the physics and mathematical scientific community. This is so shockingly, blatantly wrong. You must be reading only Texas approved text books.
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marc801 wrote: enigma wrote: I stopped eating meat and chicken 8 years ago. I found I was unable to digest it well. Even when I would have good steak , I got a terribly nauseous. Then I drove across the country and stopped in Nebraska, someone said do you know why our angus beef is so good? I said no. He said look at the cows, they are so happy we don't lock them up and they eat grass all day. I stopped and looked at those cows, and indeed they looked happy, with their large brown eyes spending their days on the grass. I tried to taste this angus beef, but I couldn't anymore. I felt for those cows, like the short story a "mothers tale". However I continued to have fish, and eggs about once per week. Feeling concerned it would be difficult to have enough protein otherwise. I do drink organic hemp protein drinks. Recently in the last month, I started to get sick to my stomach from eggs. Then I couldn't digest fish and also felt queasy. So for now I'm not eating fish or eggs and dairy I rarely have. Outside my window every morning their are little birds on the branches pecking and they look so happy and beautiful. How could I eat a bird. Thanks for all the great comments.  So anyone reach a conclusion ? I presume we would have to have many sets of identical twins and give them different diets and see which climbs better So I was wondering has anyone read the blood type diet and feel that certain foods are better for the various blood types. A, B ,O , AB and their diet that goes along with that book? You really need to see a doctor. Seriously. What you're describing can be indicative of a number of fairly serious problems. I suggest that you contact your primary physician soon and arrange to be examined by a gastroenterologist After he or she is able to determine and treat any physiologic causes, then you can go to the clinical psychologist you so desperately need.
Please refrain from personal attack and stay on this topic
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macherry wrote: cracklover wrote: macherry wrote: robx wrote: LostinMaine wrote: robx wrote: I don't really want to read this whole thread, but my personal thoughts are... I feel like as a society we've moved past the point where killing animals is necessary in keeping us healthy and alive. If you feel that your happiness is more important than animals' lives then that's fine, but it's not for me. I really really REALLY don't care about how much healthier someone that eats meat is going to be than me, because for me it's completely a moral issue. I haven't consumed animal products in 5 years, and I'm doing fine. Is there a chance I'm less healthy than someone who is very aware of their diet? probably. But compared to most fast-food eating americans, I think I'm doing just fine. Since you're taking the moral high ground, I suspect you are fully aware that the industrial monoculture crop fields that you are reliant upon has done a hum-dinger on the ecology that the animals you're trying to protect rely upon. Similarly, I am sure you are aware that habitat disruption from crop agriculture is a major cause of animal suffering and population declines. Since you're keenly aware of these things, I am also sure that all of your vegetables come from a home garden where not a single gnat is harmed. Or are only sentient animals bad to kill on your moral hilltop? To me it's not about being perfect. Yes a few gnats die. And yeah, the bike tubes I have might possibly be lined with some small animal product. and the wires in computers have some insane animal product. But if I can do my best to abstain from killing or hurting animals then I'm happy. and yes, I understand the negative impact that over farming causes, but it's hard to find alternatives, and to me it really is more about doing the best you can, not being perfect. great, you're not perfect, thanks. so drop the holier than thou, i am vegetarianand i'm saving the world act. i have nothing against vegans and vegetarians, hell my daughter's a vegan, but there's nothing worse that a vegetarian that spurts the i'm not eating animals, so i can ride my high horse through the streets. you do nothing for the cause.............see PETA Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? Dude is doing what he thinks is right, it's not affecting you, he's *not* taking a holier than you approach, and he's living by his principles. Principles that, while not mine, I certainly see nothing wrong with. Hit a nerve or something? GO nope, but see line i put in bold "if you feel that your happiness is more important than animas' live then that's fine". that's a healthy dose of smugness
Actually, that's where I differ with you (and Jay). I eat animals, and I don't feel talked down to at all by robx. I quite agree with his point that (IMO) my happiness is more important than the life of the animals I eat. Otherwise I wouldn't eat them.
Further, I think that it's reasonable for robx to point out that fact. Food *is* an ethical issue, why shrink away from the fact? We should take responsibility for the fact that the meat we eat doesn't just come from those shrink-wrapped grocery store packages. If you don't have the stomach to face the fact that you're responsible for the slaughter of animals for your food, you shouldn't eat them.
Let's look at this from another perspective: Let's say there's a restaurant near you, it's convenient, the food is decent and cheap. You like it. But you learn that the owners are doing shit you really don't like. Nothing illegal, but definitely really fucked up. Would you picket the place? Would you try to get it shut down? Probably not. I wouldn't. But I'd stop eating there, and if anyone asked me about it, I'd be honest with them.
That's exactly what robx is doing. He thinks killing other animals for food is pretty messed up, so he doesn't do it. That's cool with me!
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cracklover wrote: Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? ...Hit a nerve or something?
Probably:
macherry wrote: hell my daughter's a vegan
Must be pretty galling to feel the (perhaps silent) reproach of your own child at every meal, and then, on turning to your sanctum, your place of greenness, be confronted with more of the same.
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theguy wrote: cracklover wrote: Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? ...Hit a nerve or something? Probably: macherry wrote: hell my daughter's a vegan Must be pretty galling to feel the (perhaps silent) reproach of your own child at every meal, and then, on turning to your sanctum, your place of greenness, be confronted with more of the same.
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enigma wrote: marc801 wrote: enigma wrote: I stopped eating meat and chicken 8 years ago. I found I was unable to digest it well. Even when I would have good steak , I got a terribly nauseous. Then I drove across the country and stopped in Nebraska, someone said do you know why our angus beef is so good? I said no. He said look at the cows, they are so happy we don't lock them up and they eat grass all day. I stopped and looked at those cows, and indeed they looked happy, with their large brown eyes spending their days on the grass. I tried to taste this angus beef, but I couldn't anymore. I felt for those cows, like the short story a "mothers tale". However I continued to have fish, and eggs about once per week. Feeling concerned it would be difficult to have enough protein otherwise. I do drink organic hemp protein drinks. Recently in the last month, I started to get sick to my stomach from eggs. Then I couldn't digest fish and also felt queasy. So for now I'm not eating fish or eggs and dairy I rarely have. Outside my window every morning their are little birds on the branches pecking and they look so happy and beautiful. How could I eat a bird. Thanks for all the great comments. So anyone reach a conclusion ? I presume we would have to have many sets of identical twins and give them different diets and see which climbs better So I was wondering has anyone read the blood type diet and feel that certain foods are better for the various blood types. A, B ,O , AB and their diet that goes along with that book? You really need to see a doctor. Seriously. What you're describing can be indicative of a number of fairly serious problems. I suggest that you contact your primary physician soon and arrange to be examined by a gastroenterologist After he or she is able to determine and treat any physiologic causes, then you can go to the clinical psychologist you so desperately need. Please refrain from personal attack and stay on this topic . I know you are trying to provoke me. If you can't be a good boy then find a different thread.
That's not a personal attack. Based on your posts, it's a serious bit of advice.
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enigma
Mar 9, 2011, 7:24 AM
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marc801 wrote: theguy wrote: cracklover wrote: Jesus, Ma, what was that all about? ...Hit a nerve or something? Probably: macherry wrote: hell my daughter's a vegan Must be pretty galling to feel the (perhaps silent) reproach of your own child at every meal, and then, on turning to your sanctum, your place of greenness, be confronted with more of the same. If that's really the case, she should just eat her daughter. That's what we did.
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enigma
Mar 9, 2011, 7:33 AM
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saint_john wrote: In reply to: Well, don't paint every vegetarian with the same brush... But overall, I would say that there is a trend: the more extreme someone's food choices (extreme used here as a deviation from the population mean, in any direction), the more likely it is that their entire lifestyle revolves around this choice, and the more likely it is that it is not just about food choice, it is also about morality, ethics, and self-identification. With so many things tied togehter, attacking one part feels like an attack on the whole. Substitute food for religion, and it;s the same story, really... very well put.
I believe if you want to eat meat, chicken, fish, its a personal decision.
I was trying to find out if climbers who are vegan or vegetarian feel their diet without meat effects their performance climbing.
However there are studies that meat has alot of hormones, antibotics and in general unhealthy.
So is it worth it? There is also a moral issue, if you can sit down and eat meat and feel nothing for the slaughter that has taken place on a animal.
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