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shockabuku
Feb 28, 2009, 8:53 PM
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Allah loves wondrous variety.
There's no explaining personal tastes and preferences.
I'm being judgemental and judging you as being judgemental.
Stop being so mental.
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zeke_sf
Feb 28, 2009, 8:54 PM
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You missed the reference, HaggisDonny.
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sungam
Feb 28, 2009, 9:00 PM
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zeke_sf wrote: You missed the reference, HaggisDonny.
What was it from?
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zeke_sf
Feb 28, 2009, 9:14 PM
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sungam wrote: zeke_sf wrote: You missed the reference, HaggisDonny. I know. I just thought I'dcover that fact by making another reference. What was it from?
I'm not a babysitter. Google it, bitch!
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sungam
Feb 28, 2009, 9:19 PM
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zeke_sf wrote: sungam wrote: zeke_sf wrote: You missed the reference, HaggisDonny. I know. I just thought I'dcover that fact by making another reference. What was it from? I'm not a babysitter. Google it, bitch!
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dudemanbu
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Methamphetamine is a performance enhancing drug.
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getout87
Mar 1, 2009, 2:49 AM
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dudemanbu wrote: Methamphetamine is a performance enhancing drug.
wouldn't that be aid then?
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mushroom
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I've always had a dream of having a chalk bag full of cocamakaine to set speed records with. Imagine the thrill of climbing mean cracks, taking a dip and having your hands just numb out to injuries.... doing lines at the belay.....
try the cocaine. It'll knock your socks off.
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Tree_wrangler
Mar 1, 2009, 3:06 PM
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In reply to: Well, I don't drink, smoke, or do any drugs, well except for Plavix, aspirin, and an occassional cup of tea, so I don't understand.
Do you ENJOY your tea? (probably yes). Do you NEED your tea? (probably no).
You do understand. It's no different with anything else.
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kushtre
Mar 1, 2009, 4:08 PM
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apollodorus wrote: Marijuana is merely the Gateway Drug. Climbers who are serious about chemically enhancing their abilities soon graduate to the real deal: LSD, peyote and mushrooms. Apparently, there is some sort of faux-shamanistic effect, wherein the afflictee comes to believe that he has been transformed into the Holy Gecko (or similar), and can thus go up where a human cannot. There is a strong tradition in Native American cultures for this sort of thing, but as part of religious ceremony, not sports recreation. Don't try this at home, kids.
I believe you are talking about the ritualistic ingestion of datura, psclobin mushrooms, and the mescalin/peyote? Said to have effects similiar to a PCP high/frenzy with intense visions. People who are interested in such should read Clyde Kluckhohn's Navajo Witchcraft if you are lucky enough to find a copy somewhere.
As for gateway drug, that is b/s. That just an excuse for the weak minded who cant say yes to pot without saying NO to other things. WEAK MINDED, dont blame the plant, blame your lack of concern for your own well being, your lack of self control, and your ignorance with regard to mind altering substances.
toejam wrote: "some say you can't climb to your full potential with out being under the influence of marijuana" Marijuana is a vasodilator and analgesic, both properties that can aid in sport. For many people it induces a state of extreme mental focus, often on the kinesthetic feel of the body, which can be useful in discovering or practicing subtle techniques, for instance while bouldering. However this same focus is a double-edged sword. When diverted from the task at hand, important and seemingly obvious tasks may be forgotten or overlooked. I would avoid situations where someone is dependent on an intoxicated person for their safety.
A perfect description in my opinion. Marijuana can have such diffrent impacts on people its hard to say what is best. Depending on factors like the THC content, the tolerance of the person, sativa vs indica, ceiling high vs a no ceiling high, ect ect.
Being a prop 215 patient I love to smoke while rappelling and adventuring, but then again i function better while medicated in almost any situation. For some of us, a snap of green is peace of mind, esp people as anxious as I am. Buddy checks make sure you dont forget something silly because you were 'high'...
...climbing while medicated, THAT is something i dont have enough experiance with to say anything about.
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zeke_sf
Mar 1, 2009, 4:39 PM
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kushtre wrote: Buddy checks make sure you dont forget something silly because you were 'high'...
Or what the kids are calling [bunny ears]stoner checks[/bunny ears].
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kushtre
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zeke_sf wrote: kushtre wrote: Buddy checks make sure you dont forget something silly because you were 'high'... Or what the kids are calling [bunny ears]stoner checks[/bunny ears].
Haha we will be calling it that now that you said it. All credit going to you of course zeke 
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furgie
Mar 1, 2009, 5:41 PM
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About ten years ago my neighbor and his friends went out to Hueco and to make a long story short they were smokin the reefer, and my neighbor ended up fallin 60 feet and crushing his right leg. He ended up having it amputated below the knee. Of couse now he's a golf pro in California so I guess it turned out ok.
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kushtre
Mar 1, 2009, 8:50 PM
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furgie wrote: About ten years ago my neighbor and his friends went out to Hueco and to make a long story short they were smokin the reefer, and my neighbor ended up fallin 60 feet and crushing his right leg. He ended up having it amputated below the knee. Of couse now he's a golf pro in California so I guess it turned out ok.
...so, what your saying is, if he was sober that day he would still have his leg? Did he admit that or is that just the deduction everyone else made?
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notapplicable
Mar 1, 2009, 9:37 PM
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furgie wrote: About ten years ago my neighbor and his friends went out to Hueco and to make a long story short they were smokin the reefer, and my neighbor ended up fallin 60 feet and crushing his right leg. He ended up having it amputated below the knee. Of couse now he's a golf pro in California so I guess it turned out ok.
That doesn't seem any different to me than a person who is hurt and looses a limb while climbing sober. Smoking pot is a recreational activity and so is climbing, they both have risks and when people choose to engauge in those activities, they assume those risks.
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furgie
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It was more do to the fact that his belayer was to high to even grab the rope, and while I understand an accident such as this can happen in many other circumstances it was predominantly due to being high. I also don't have anyhting against weed but would definately not want someone who has my life in their hands baked out of their minds, just a personal preferance...
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t2stone
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Well said, Fergi....so don't climb w/t Hippies and whatnot!
and REMEMBER....big girls don't cry
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kushtre
Mar 2, 2009, 2:33 AM
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Ugh. I dont know what i would do if i were the person that ****ed up...
I see where you are coming from now.
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zeke_sf
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furgie wrote: It was more do to the fact that his belayer was to high to even grab the rope...
You're talking about weed? Marijuana? Cheeb? Mota? The kind?
Establishing that, where can I procure some samples of the above-stated wackus tabackus so as to get completely bake..., um, I mean, conduct climbing safety experiments?
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mushroom
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in some circles, of which I revolve in and around on occasion, this sacred ritual has become known as "The Safety Meeting".
What better cover story than "Excuse me, guys, but me and my associates are going to step aside for a quick safety meeting between those boulders over there and then we'll be back".
Magic--I bet if you read the second paragraph and didn't read the topic of this thread then you'd have no idea what we were talking about.
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I think climbing high can be incredible. It sometimes feels like the experience is a thousand times more rich, detailed, and I also feel connected to and visualize past high climbing sessions and future ones, like there is this esoteric chain of experiences that you wake up into and look back across and participate in. A rare corner of being that most of the world will never know about and can't imagine. The first moment like this was earlier in my climbing experience, watching an older dude who is never at the gym roll up to mortar rock and bust nat's traverse, v8. He had spent a year on it before he got it, and just the level of precision, and focus, specific required physical development, and the choreography of it was entrancing. I felt like I had soaked up the feeling of, and the scenes around that evolution even though it was my first time seeing it and I am, I am sure, years from climbing the problem. It remains as rich and personally significant a moment as any of my own sends to this day.
That said, everyone experiences it differently I smoke maybe once a week but seem to get more out of it than most people I've ever talked to even those who smoke every day but peoples experiences can change. When I first started smoking I couldnt even stand up, still it really expanded the world for me. Later I became more functional but started having bad highs so I stopped for four years. When I started again things started off great but then I started having really terrifying apocalyptic highs and eventually I came to recognize the ideal moderation of the practice and now when I do it right there is absolutely no sober experience that comes anywhere near the sense of significance and beauty as the equivalent with the right dose.
In terms of performance, I've found that I sometimes become far more conscious of the potential of my body, aware of the minute reserves of strength and tension and become more tenacious and focused. Other times my focus shrinks in scope and I overlook things.
My goal is to eventually climb hard beautiful lines high, though I am and would be careful to not do anything where my sometimes diminished memory could put me or others at risk.
In conclusion, if you don't have experience with marijuana but write it off, you are a fool, both because you are limiting yourself and potentially others. Still it can make things less safe and you should be aware of the balance of you and your crew's personal range of experiences and thresholds with weed and their climbing experience and ability. I'm not advocating getting high and climbing per se, just insisting that it is a valid experience that carries similar and different risks as other climbing practices.
be safe!!
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zeke_sf wrote: Reportedly, Chris Sharma smokes weed [oh noez, I rumor mongers!]. Maybe that's how come he's the best climber in the world? It's hard to say, but one thing is certain... I love weed! LOVE IT! But if there's one thing I love more than weed... it's pussy. The end.
weed never causes any drama or cries when you want to smoke other things.
weed never yells at you for forgetting birthdays, anniversaries, or other important events.
weed never asks you to put the toilet seat down.
weed never needs a hug or a shoulder to cry on
weed will never go into the woods with your cousin, take 2 tabs of acid and blow him (not that i'm bitter and speaking from experience or anything...)
you can go around sampling all different kinds of weed and no one will care except maybe the cops
you can pay for weed and not feel dirty about yourself.
pussy makes you shoot smelly, sticky, hard to clean goop all over the place.
and let's face it. penises and vaginas are both hideous looking body parts. weed smells better, tastes better, and is much more aesthetically pleasing.
advantage: weed.
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mecalekahi-mekahidyho
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I think it depends on the person and their personal experiences.
If you have never used pot, then you have no idea if it enhances your abilities or not, so stop acting like you know anything on the subject other than what others have force-fed you.
That was some of the worst logic I have ever seen: anything against the law is automatically bad. Hahahaha, have you ever read the list of stupid laws in some states. In one state it is illegal to whistle underwater but does that make it bad?
Second, I have smoked for over 15 years, ( how ya like that spray) and over time one builds a tolerance towards all strains of bud. I can take a bong hit of some world class indica and be only buzzed for maybe 2 hours. I tend to be anxious, which bud calms me down and allows me to block out anything I want to in order to focus on the climb.
I could block everything out without smoking, it just makes it easier and more fun. That is the only way smoking could enhance my climbing is by allowing me to focus mentally making it possible to unleash my physical abilities without that mental block. Pot is not anything like steroids as it does not enhance your muscles or increase your testosterone levels.
Overall, smoking enhances my experience more than anything. ( We stoners dont need it to enjoy everything we do, it just makes everything we do that much more enjoyable.)
If someone made a mistake while high, it most likely would have happened sober as well. If that person is a beginner smoker and climbing then he/she is an idiot for not becoming more acquanted with the effects before partaking in an activity with such a risk factor. Real stoners know if they are okay to climb or not. (%99.9 of the time they are okay. )
Again, if you havent ever smoked then you have no clue what you are talking about so stop allowing yourself to be force-fed this bs propoganda.
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Drugs and climbing. Now thats always an interesting topic. To me it always depends on the situation. However in all there is always a line, this line just happens to move.
While bouldering beer is motivation and weed is the reward. when i get to an area I'll warm up, send a few problems then crack a beer and go at it. Once I send that project I had I reward myself with a victory bowl. Then I work some more problems untill i feel like I've earned another bowl. Until then, no matter how badly I want to smoke all I allow myself if cigarettes. This method benefits me a lot. Beer is great motivation, I attempt and succeed at harder moves than without it. I work a problem for 3 months and the day I finally sent it I had just had my first drink of beer that day. Just don't get drunk and sloppy; no one likes carrying bodies. Weed is a great training tool too. Before I smoke I push myself long and hard because I really want that high. Once stoned everything is soo much harder to me. If I can work something stoned I can almost always flash the same problem sober.
Roped climbing, however, is entirely different. If it is a simple sport wanking day I'll drink maybe 1 beer every 3 or 4 hours. Trad, none ever. This is because someone else life is in my hands and stupid shit happens while drinking. the same goes for weed. I save it for the end. Its a reward. On long multipitch days I'll always have a spliff waiting for me at the base of the climb, but I never even think about smoking it until I have achieved victory.
For me it's all about the level of alertness I need to stay safe. It's one thing for something to go wrong because of a silly mistake. It's a whole new story when that silly mistake happened because you were drunk or stoned.
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zeke_sf
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cush wrote: zeke_sf wrote: Reportedly, Chris Sharma smokes weed [oh noez, I rumor mongers!]. Maybe that's how come he's the best climber in the world? It's hard to say, but one thing is certain... I love weed! LOVE IT! But if there's one thing I love more than weed... it's pussy. The end. weed never causes any drama or cries when you want to smoke other things. weed never yells at you for forgetting birthdays, anniversaries, or other important events. weed never asks you to put the toilet seat down. weed never needs a hug or a shoulder to cry on weed will never go into the woods with your cousin, take 2 tabs of acid and blow him (not that i'm bitter and speaking from experience or anything...) you can go around sampling all different kinds of weed and no one will care except maybe the cops you can pay for weed and not feel dirty about yourself. pussy makes you shoot smelly, sticky, hard to clean goop all over the place. and let's face it. penises and vaginas are both hideous looking body parts. weed smells better, tastes better, and is much more aesthetically pleasing. advantage: weed.
You have some strong points here. Although, my weed once took two hits of acid and then blew my mind in the woods once.
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